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CCP, in collaboration with the CSM, have agreed and would like to state in the strongest possible terms and in accordance with our existing Terms of Service and End User License Agreement, that real life harassment is morally reprehensible, and verifiable examples of such behavior will be met with disciplinary action against game accounts in accordance with our Terms of Service.

Yes, yes. You are right, now have a cookie.
I'll be in the bonus room stealing your stuff

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I'l be in space blowing your ship up instead LOL

Go inject reading comprehension.

I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair. I shouldn't be punished for having thicker skin than some random pleb, so I think some random would be upset by a situation I'm in I'll be reporting it as an upsetting situation.

The line is in the same place it has always been. Don't threaten to harm people in real life, no hate speech and no encouraging people to kill themselves. That pretty much covers it, I think.

..... The freedom to scam and commit piracy, espionage, and extortion are all fundamental to the EVE Online experience, and CCP will never change that. However, it is important to remember that the EVE universe is a virtual world, and behavior of this nature should remain firmly within that virtual world .....

... The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action ....

Define: "Decency" in this context.

Why should I?

Except being on the CSM means he has been selected by the PLAYERS to represent them and accepted by CCP to help represent CCP to the Public.

Maybe if he didn't drag CCP through the mud and call this situation Torture! Hell, he never even talked to the "victim".

i am sincerely shocked.

Except the Bonus Room never brought attention to CCP...

It was Ripard Teg saying "LOOK AT THE TORTURE THAT GOES ON IN EVE ONLINE AND CCP DOES NOTHING".

I mean I guess that's hard for you to understand though.

The only EvE Online player that should get a ban is Ripard Teg, he started this shitstorm and harassed other players.

Well, we all know you don't grab a chainsaw, soak it in alcohol, light it on fire and cut the splinter out!

Here, let me give you a better analogy:

If you're playing rugby and someone tackles you and you skin your knee, who should you really be mad at: The person who tackles you or the guy who rubs salt on the wound?

That's what I'm talking about, right there.
I don't care how much he does or doesn't rage at me. If he keeps coming back into the lowsec system I live in, when he knows full-well, by now that he's going to be rewarded for it with a facefull of Ferox, I'm GOING to keep giving it to him.
Now, all he has to do at that point is petition me, and send the GM the EVEmails whereby he raged at me and demanded that I stop preventing him from encroaching on my home, breaking my ratting chain, and scaring off better targets, and I responded by sending him the lyrics to Particle Man.
Now, poor old Garamonde is temp banned for harassment, and the moron carebear that doesn't understand what lowsec means, gets pretty much "Lethal Weapon 2 Style Diplomatic Immunity" as a result. All he has to do is claim that I was deliberately targeting him, simply to harass him.

That's total crap and you know it.

If Garamonde is being paid to hunt him down wherever he may be found, or he has done something unforgivable to Garamonde's beloved SMERG, Garamonde will shoot him no matter where he is.

I'm too lazy to go chasing him 20 jumps away, unless someone is giving me ISK to do it.

That is not griefing. That's called rivalry and/or revenge. I think you misunderstand what does or does not constitute "preventing him from enjoying the game".

What makes you think there are only two people in SMERG? :p

It looks to me like manipulating CCP into banning another player via external blog and a mad mob on the forums consisting of <0.1% of the player base is now officially part of EVE's meta game.

I really like the concept of this. On its face, it makes sense: Don't be a psychopath.

But there's a huge swath of grey area that begins to creep in. Most in-game operations use out-of-game tools, which this would seem to addressing. Most of us see singing ransoms as harmless, but what if someone has crippling stage fright? What if someone lemmings on an op and is hurt by being called a lemming? Those are far cries from the infamous bonus room, but a strict reading of "the law" would make them illegal.

You can also argue that no one has to accept a singing ransom. No one has to go on a fleet op and end up becoming a lemming. But as far as I know--please correct me if I'm wrong--no one forced the bonus room victims into that room. The moment they asked for a Full API key, I'd have told them to go f*** themselves and left. Greed kept the victim there.

I reiterate my first point: I really like the concept of this. But it seems like CCP is opening Pandora's box. At the first mention of "n00b" over external comms or the posting of a failfit on a forum, you're going to see petitions. "Harassment: Ripard Teg posted my triple-tanked RailRaven as his failfit of the week!"

Why not encourage a stronger community presence? That would certainly help situations like this occur fewer in number and lesser in severity? I'm a certified bitter vet, and maybe it's rose-colored glass, but the transformation of CCP from folks who hung out on IRC and joked with players into masters in an ivory tower who only descend to bestow Dev Blogs and Patches upon us has a strong correlation with the growing toxicity in the community. Build strong relationships, empower community leaders (there are plenty out there) to condemn these actions, and others will follow.

tl;dr: EVERYTHING WAS BETTER IN THE PAST or something.

Yes, because asking a representative of the people for clarification on an arbitrary ruling is just too much. And him trolling people is clearly what he was appointed to do right?

Without knowing where the lines are being drawn, CCP are leaving it open so they can selectively decide to ban people who have no possible way of knowing where they stand.

stay well clear of that line by not ransomming, scamming, awoxing, ganking or otherwise doing anything EVE is about?


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Like people aren't going to rule lawyer anyway? I'm more worried that through convincing petitions, people are going to get banned for things that other people get away with.

Pretty sure the Wiz never petitioned CCP about the The Mittani telling everybody to encourage him to commit suicide.

TheWiz had no idea what happened at fanfest until it hit the Eve Forums.

You could say, and many still do, the only reason CCP acted was because the outrage of the Eve community that somebody though it was funny to encourage other people to harass somebody who stated that he might kill himself.

Funny enough I actually think most of that was a complete over reaction, people do say stupid things when drunk and trying to show off in front of there peers.

I honestly believe there was never any intent on The Mittani's part for theWiz to actually commit suicide and the ban he received was fair.

E1's actions however were premeditated. His single goal was not the scam itself but to cause as much humiliation as he could

Okay... I'll take the "Ssieth has liked your post" notification to mean "yes". Great... moving right along then:

It's **Definition Time** XD

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/harass

Subject to aggressive pressure or intimidation

So, by that definition, anyone in this game who subjects anyone else in this game to "aggressive pressure or intimidation" is skirting the harassment portions of the EULA.

Now name something you can do I N G A M E, in an adversarial context, that doesn't fit that definition.

Go on.

I'll wait.

Yes, because 4 years back means it never happened right? People never went ape **** at bias because it pre-dates you.

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The wider picture is that Erotica 1 has been doing this for a long time and has been putting this out there for a long time.
On top of that the specific case of Shokar was even linked on these forums and allmost everyone was laughing about it or shoked by the death threats, racism and gay bashing in the recording.

UNTILL a member of the CSM posted a blog post, a month later saying Ero was a terrible person, torturing players et all.
He posted this because CCP didn't want to ban Ero when he asked them to.
THAT is the wider picture.

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