Then get this: once you've got all your target's money and killed all his ships, leave him alone.

No you will not get permabanned for that. Unfortunatley you will be required to exercise your adult judgement on when you're on the threshold of taking it too far.

If you feel yourself incapable of reliably doing that, then I suggest you err on the side of caution.

Hey,

While you are being called on to answer all these fringe questions by well...the fringe...please describe the color blue. As soon as you successfully accomplish that the other non-sense questions should stop as well.

You are being obtuse. Intentionally or not I have no idea. It has been a weird few days between the mayo revelations and all of the other headshakers forgive me if I seem skeptical.

Put plainly, you are asking a PLAYER rep who is on here to give us information to the best of his ability to answer complex hypothetical issues about rules. He is a player not a GM, thank him and move on.

So freedom of speech is supported up until someone's feelings get hurt, then its hate speech and pitchfork time? Pretty much sum it up from a CCP and pansy CSM perspective?

I offer a closing scene from 'A Few Good [Scammers]'...

Col. Erotica1: "Son, we live in a [sandbox], and that [sandbox] has to be guarded by men with [guts]. Who's gonna do it? You [Malcanis]? You, Lt. [Ripard]? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for [Sohkar], and you curse the [scammers]. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That [Sohkar's bonus room], while tragic, probably [entertained many]. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, [entertains many].

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me [in that sandbox], you need me [in that sandbox]. We use words like [awox], [scam], [metagame]. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very [content] that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a [teamspeak client], and [scam someone]. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to."

Col. Erotica1: "[contemptuously] You f#ckin' people... you have no idea how to defend a [sandbox]. All you did was weaken [the meta game] today, [pansies]. That's all you did. You put people's [sandbox] in danger. Sweet dreams, son."

Guardians of the players my arse, CSM should be disbanded immediately.

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Not willfull ignorance.

People want a clear line so they can dance right up to it, Xenos paradox style

It looks to me like manipulating CCP into banning another player via external blog and a mad mob on the forums consisting of <0.1% of the player base is now officially part of EVE's meta game.

We now have a rule, don't push a 'victim" to the point of emotional distress... and that rule will be examined to see if it is applicable in each ticket they receive about an incident like this.

Mate, get another cushion for your chair 'cos all I'm hearing is butt hurt.

Jump in a ship, get out there and blow stuff up, scam, awox, commit corp theft ..... in time, you'll feel 100% better.

If the New Order wants to stop botting they should go move their operations out to nullsec. Oh wait, they won't because people in nullsec can actually stop them because there aren't any advantages in the system security mechanics for them to use to maintain dominance! Gee! Imagine that.

How about you use the brain you were born with and read between the lines, or better yet, assess the actual effect of the Minerbumping collective. If there wasn't a mountain of salt and sarcasm upon every wound they inflict then their "noble cause" might actually be friggin' believeable.

You should have asked sooner then. Too bad.

[I used to not care at all about this and not petition it. I just changed this policy, because new meta.

Typical carebear rage-drivel.
The VAST MAJORITY of bot-miner fleets are in highsec icebelt systems, because botting and ISBoxing isn't easy to do when there is a real threat of being blown up by massive fleets or NPC's that are actually capable of doing serious damage.

You don't need to worry about individual yield when you have 20 accounts that can strip an icebelt bare, in under 3 minutes.
THAT'S why almost all the botters are in highsec, and THAT is why the New Order operates there.

If you think that the New Order isn't big enough to hold their own in Nullspace, then you obviously don't understand how Null actually works.

So let me get a stab at this...

Erotica1 and friends scam someone from all of his assets and his isk and made a recording of them trolling him on TeamSpeak while they are doing it. Keep in mind, the victim goes through the process of contracting all of his assets to the scammers and doing this willingly.

After an hour and 45 minutes the victim goes completely berserk and starts threatening the scammers with real life threats, he calls them names and at some point even goes as far as using racist terms such as the N word.

Mind everyone, Erotica1 and his friends stay completely cool and have done nothing out of the ordinary for ingame Eve Online standards. They are not responsible for other peoples stupidity and can not see into the future that their actions will set the victim off like this. But it is in no way their fault. Every man is responsible for what he says regardless. A scamming action is no valid reason for calling people the N word or threatening them in real life. There is no justification for any of what the victim said to them, period.

But now, from what I understand CCP faults Erotica1 and his friends for what they have done...

Is it me or did their morals drop down below zero on this ? I think the fact someone is using such language, in such a hostile way is far more offensive then what Erotica1 did. In fact, CCP nurtures scamming behavior... So who is at fault here and why ????

I tried snipping. I failed, I am sorry.

Care Bear?!? Do you have any idea who you are messing with? This is the King of J-Space, you should be happy he even let you comment in his thread.

That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same protection as everybody else, usually laws and policies apply to everyone.

I would agree. And that has not changed :)

Repeatedly asking for clarification you've been told that someone cannot and will not provide, however, is pretty dumb and that kind of dumb wares anyone down eventually.

Yes, the line is a broad grey one rather than a nice neat one dividing black and white. As a result you'll need to exercise judgement and accept the consequences if you want to dance too close to the border of what is and isn't allowed. If you aren't prepared to accept those consequences then simply stay well clear of that line.

I heard that too...I think they are going to make it a thing in the next patch. No,not really I'm just messing with you.

Take a breath...in..now...out... Repeat after me: "Unless I go completely outside the bounds of acceptable human behavior I will still be able to do all the things I currently enjoy doing in this game" That help?

If you want examples of unacceptable human behavior listen to some E1 recordings.

whinge..whine...I can't do this....Malcanis can I do that?...whinge...exchange full tear jar with an empty....whinge...what if?...what if?...what if?....Malcanis? ....Malcanis?....Malcanis?....Malcanis?...exchange full tear jar with an empty...snifle...

DO try and keep up!

There is an "s" at the end of the word "recording" there are several. Exercise your due diligence and go find them, we don't have time to bring you up to speed.

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I did read what it was replied to.

It still comes down to the fact that there is nothing left to say here. The decision has been made. I've answered Lucas' questions (and he quoted me repeatedly)

You seem to want to repeat that sohkar was abusive. He was. After two hours of being abused to save someone's in game reputation. Whilst I would not condone what he said, and hope I would not reach that point, what is your point?

Have you never said something in anger and then regretted it? I know I have. Your failure to grasp the wider situation is for you to sort out. Nothing I can say will change that.

Let me ask you. What do you consider acceptable behaviour towards another human being.

The wider picture is that Erotica 1 has been doing this for a long time and has been putting this out there for a long time.
On top of that the specific case of Shokar was even linked on these forums and allmost everyone was laughing about it or shoked by the death threats, racism and gay bashing in the recording.

UNTILL a member of the CSM posted a blog post, a month later saying Ero was a terrible person, torturing players et all.
He posted this because CCP didn't want to ban Ero when he asked them to.
THAT is the wider picture.

D.

Sure I've said things out of anger. I, however, have never and would never repeatedly hurl racist remarks at another individual, no matter what the circumstances. And I most certainly would not hurl abuse after choosing to perform random tasks asked of me over a computer game when I could easily walk away at any time.