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Temel Nosce
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Posted - 2006.05.04 02:22:00 -
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Greetings:
I did read the stickie regarding jump clones, but I didn't seem to find this particular question answered. I am CEO of a small 5-man corp, and we are currently in the process of coming up with the best solution to making our entire corp able to have jump clones. There's the obvious way, by paying ISS, or some other corp that has the standing necessary with an NPC corp (doing the whole leave your corp, get jump clones, go back to corp thing).
We're not really thrilled about either option, and most of the members of the corp are really dedicated to the idea of doing everything on our own in the game, rather than just paying for stuff with ISK.
We did some math, and found that the corp standings towards any given NPC corp is the average of all corp members who have done missions for that NPC corp (rather than the average of all corp members). We found that only 3 of us had any kind of standing with Brutor Tribe, we then totalled it, divided by 5 (number of corp mates), and the numbers did not match our corp standing with Brutor. Divided by 3 however, and it matched perfectly.
So, we started brainstorming with this information, and came to the conclusion that a nice way to get our entire corp at an 8.0 standing with an NPC corp would be to create an alt character in a 1-man corp, and run tons of missions for any single NPC corp that nobody in our corp has any standing with. Then, once that 1-man corp's standings are at 8.0, migrate the alt character into our corp. Since nobody else in our corp would have any standing with that NPC corp, we should inheret the 8.0 should we not? 8.0/1=8.0 right? :)
So anyways I've already begun this, the alt character has its standing up to about 3.0 so far with a specific NPC corp that none of our other corp members have standing with. Before I continue any further, I wanted to check and see if my logic is sound, and whether this will really work as we expect it to. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2006.05.04 06:00:00 -
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Yup, this works. Just a few notes, the 8.0 standing is without any skills so the raw standing. Once the alt joins i'm not sure the standing changes immediatly, as far as i know it moves toward the standing of the corp so it might take a few days. Not sure about this last one though :)
I am sure though that your calculations are right and having 1 man with +8 standing for a corp nobody else ghas done any mission for will get your corp to a +8 standing.
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Marine HK4861
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Posted - 2006.05.04 09:26:00 -
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Nice idea and it would work except for 1 little point - jump clones require a 8.0+ standing to your corp AND you.
Trust me on this - my corp has a standing of 8.6, I've got 7.96 natural and I can't install jump clones. 
What you could do is to get each member to leave your corp, make a 1 man corp, which will have all that member's standings, install all the jump clones you want, then rejoin your corp.
You only need the 8.0+ standing to install a jump clone, after that you can use them as you like.
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Amphira
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Marine HK4861
Nice idea and it would work except for 1 little point - jump clones require a 8.0+ standing to your corp AND you.
Trust me on this - my corp has a standing of 8.6, I've got 7.96 natural and I can't install jump clones.
That is because that corp have standing towards you, but not high enough. However, if you had never done a mission for them, thus leaving you at no standing with them, it would have worked.
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Libertina
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:28:00 -
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only corp - corp standing is required; you could avoid the whole alt idea by dedicating one of your corp members to run missions for an NPC entity alone, and noone else. Be sure to check that said entity has stations with medical facilities  I've seen it being done only to find out that you have the standings, but no way of creating the clones.
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Kerr AVON
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:36:00 -
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Temel Nosce - what you are doing is fine, and will work as you expect it to. Bear in mind that you didn't really need to put the alt into a 1-man corp to do this, he/she could have been in your main corp from the start.
The average of your corp will slowly gravitate towards that one members personal standing with the npc corp he/she is running for, and moves very slowly at the end if you stop at +8.0 or +8.05. If the alt carries on doing missions to +8.4 (without skills included) then you'll all be able to use the jump clones much more quickly. I do level 2 missions when trying to get a fast standing increase, as you can get through a lot of them in a short amount of time, and the standing increases are not too bad (the isk/loyalty points are poor though, but you're not doing the missions for those, are you?) 
Just make sure none of your other corp members accidentally does a mission for the npc corp you are getting to +8.0 (mission runners get 'important missions' from other npc corps to the ones they usually run for, so make sure they double check who the mission is for before accepting those important ones).
My corp had two members run missions exclusively for 2 different npc corps, and we managed to get them both to an average over 8.0 - and now everyone else in our corp can set up jump clones with those npc corps.
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Marine HK4861
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:53:00 -
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From the Project Rebirth sticky:
Quote:
To create a "Jump Clone" the owner of the installation must have at least +8 standings to you and your corporation.
If what you lot say is true, then it looks like the sticky needs updating.
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Temel Nosce
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Posted - 2006.05.04 14:28:00 -
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Thanks for all the info everyone -- indeed, I am not running the missions for the ISK or bonuses. :) The alt is in a 1-man corp for other reasons as well, so this was just "yet another reason". I decided to keep it that way just in case one of the corp mates ignored the 3 separate eve-mails explicitly telling them not to run any missions for this NPC corporation. So if one of them does before I get to 8.0, we still have the option of having each person go join the 1-man corp to create their jump clones (except the guy who ran the mission for the NPC corp of course! :)).
Again, thanks for the information. I was pretty sure we had a solid plan, but it makes it a lot easier to push through to 8.0 knowing I'm not wasting any time. ;)
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
Nice idea and it would work except for 1 little point - jump clones require a 8.0+ standing to your corp AND you.
Trust me on this - my corp has a standing of 8.6, I've got 7.96 natural and I can't install jump clones.
If you don't have standings with the given corp, then you get the corp's standing as your own.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
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Scythes
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Posted - 2006.05.25 17:50:00 -
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I just created a 1-man corp and have a personal standing of 8.4. My corp standing is 3.7.
How long does it take for my corp standing to reach the personal? Also, do you gain the same amount of standing doing lvl2's as lvl3's per mission?
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Marine HK4861
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Posted - 2006.05.26 16:13:00 -
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Your corp standing will go up a bit every downtime until it matches the average of all members (ie 8.4).
The high the real average is, the more it changed each downtime.
From this I'm guess it changes by a percentage every downtime, but it shouldn't take more than a few days.
You gain more standing with level 3 agents than with level 2.
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Phillis Stein
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Posted - 2006.05.26 16:24:00 -
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I hope it works for you. I thought the same with my 2nd Char. She was 10 to 3 agents and 10 to Creodron Corp, Gallante. I formed a 1 person Corp for the clone jump ability and the corp standing was halved. Personal standing was still 10 but the corp standing was 4.86 to Creodron.
So the best of Luck with your Standings.
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Chloe Escalante
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Posted - 2006.10.24 12:02:00 -
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And how will this member help corp? I have standing of 8 personall and corporation how can i help my corp? Do i have to become ceo?
Or do the other members habe to leave corp and come back?
Plz explain a little bit....
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Zwotte
Gallente
Dark Reality
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Posted - 2006.10.24 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Zwotte on 24/10/2006 14:13:56
Originally by: Chloe Escalante
And how will this member help corp? I have standing of 8 personall and corporation how can i help my corp? Do i have to become ceo?
Or do the other members habe to leave corp and come back?
Plz explain a little bit....
We do this to make isk. But the trick is pick a corp nobody ever have done missions for, run it like a madman and viola everybody can set JC. What you also can do, look in the corperation window under standings tab how the corp standings is build up and kick out the members for a short period of time who did missions for the same corp you have 8+ standing with. All remaining members and you can set JC after the next DT. Maybe you need to do a couple missions to get the corp standing above +8 again.
Cheers,
Zwotte
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.10.24 18:16:00 -
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First, thread necromancy is bad.
Second, to clarify what Zwotte said, you need a personal and corp-corp standing of 8.0 to the target corp to install jump clones.
However if you have no standing at all to the target corp, then your corp-corp standing is checked twice.
Corp-corp standing is the average standing of all members with a standing towards the target corp.
As an example, you are a member of Chloe corp (CC).
Suppose you have a standing of 8.0 to Caldari Navy.
If nobody else in the corp has any standing to Caldari Navy, then CC will also have a standing of 8.0 to Caldari Navy, thus your entire corp can install jump clones.
For your corp standing to reach this average value, it may take a few downtimes. No other action from you or your corp is required, just patience.
If CC has 3 members with standings of 9.0, 7.0 and 2.0 standing, then you will not be able to install jump clones as your corp average standing is 6.0.
However if CC had 3 members with standings of 9.0, 7.0 and no standing, thus a corp average standing of 8.0, then the person with 9.0 standing and the person with no standing can both install jump clones.
The person with 7.0 standing would have to get their personal standing to 8.0 before they could install jump clones.
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Contralto
Gallente
Binary Fringe inc
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Marine HK4861
For your corp standing to reach this average value, it may take a few downtimes. No other action from you or your corp is required, just patience.
Agree with all the other points but in fact you can greatly accelerate the Standing migration by doing at least on storyline mission each day. I have recently used my Faction standings to enable several new corps achieve the standings required for Hi sec Pos Anchoring. My fastest was to 4.8 in 2 dt's and crossed the required 5.0 on the third.
To take Npc corp standings to 8 for clones took about 8 to 10 days if I recall correctly. and that was with missions run everyday for that particular corp.
Another tip is to make use of the nerfed courier missions atm, A lvl 4 mission is typically just 1 to 5 m3 over 1 to 5 jumps, I use a Nano frig
and can do 5 or 6 an hour easily. Rewards and Lp's are a joke tho.
My entire
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Contralto
Gallente
Binary Fringe inc
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Contralto on 27/10/2006 16:17:38
Double post after edit :(
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.10.27 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Contralto
Agree with all the other points but in fact you can greatly accelerate the Standing migration by doing at least on storyline mission each day.
That's because the standings change by a percentage to reach the average. If you raise the average, of course it's going to jump higher every DT.
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Tayun
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:03:00 -
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I just tried to create a jump clone based on reading : "...jump Clones now require either 8.0 personal or corporation standing, not both." [From Patch Notes for Build 27121 to 27912]. I have an 8.0+ (unboosted) standing with an agent of a Navy Academy although my corporation standing with them is much less, yet I cannot install a jump clone as I'm told the corporation doesn't like me. What I am not seeing or understanding about the (newly changed) process? Or did the change perhaps not take place?
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:59:00 -
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Raised from the dead twice now?
I wonder what the record is... 
Anyway I'll make the assumption that:
1) Navy Academy has medical facilities and you're at such a station.
2) you have Infomorph Psycology trained to at least 1
Did you just get your standings to the necessary level?
Sometimes you may need a session change so that agents recognise your standings have updated, like when you just get the necessary standing to use an agent.
Try undocking/docking and try again.
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Tayun
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Posted - 2006.12.11 09:47:00 -
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I have Infomorph Psychology at Level 2 and am at a Navy Station with a Medical facility. My standing with the station's agent (before Connections 3) is 8.37 and I've been there awhile through a number of session changes. The denial notice says the Navy Academy doesn't like me (I'm unboosted 2.71 with them) but otherwise implying I could install a jump clone there. That's why I fail to understand IF CCP made the change as indicated to corporation OR personal standing why I don't quality. Any suggestions would be helpful; i.e. is this a bug report situation or am I misreading it? I do note that the station also has a more senior agent with whom I do not have a standing of over 8.00.
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Marine HK4861
Caldari
Seoltachd
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Posted - 2006.12.11 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Marine HK4861 on 11/12/2006 10:30:32
Originally by: Tayun
The denial notice says the Navy Academy doesn't like me (I'm unboosted 2.71 with them)
There's your answer. You either need a 8.0 personal-corp standing or a corp-corp standing now.
Before Revelations you needed a corp-corp standing of 8.0 AND either a 8.0 personal-corp or no personal-corp standing.
I.E.: You need either a Tayun-Navy Academy standing of 8.0 or Tayun's corp-Navy Academy standing of 8.0.
Standing towards agents has no effect on availability of jump clones.
I think you've mis-read the patch notes or mis-understood how you get jump clones in the first place.
Edit: fixed formatting
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Tayun
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:53:00 -
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Appreciate your help. I've been in the game 10+ months and there's always something new. Thanks for the assist. Good hunting.
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