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Kal'Panda
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2014.03.28 20:56:00 -
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The Retriever is a fine ship for mining but it lacks one thing a way to mount a Roid scanner, since most Retrievers use a shield extender in the mid slot. I would like to suggest that an additional mid slot be added or traded for a low slot so that a roid scanner can be carried without losing the shield.
Also I wonder why indies have a longer lock range than mining barges and exhumers...
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
31
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:38:00 -
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Indies can fit guns.
Edit : gun. Vacuums suck. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1900
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Posted - 2014.03.28 21:43:00 -
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you could fit the scanner instead of the extender.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
WaterMarks
Khanid Armament
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Posted - 2014.03.28 23:19:00 -
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I use scanner instead of extender. As lomg as you pay attention ull be fine -Fly Reckless- |
Kal'Panda
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:30:00 -
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Ok the Indy with guns, makes sense. Sort of an armed tramp freighter....
And yes I do replace the extender with a scanner. But why? The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward, since the scanner is a major tool for anyone using strip miners.
I really don't expect a change to happen but, one can always hope... |
Laiannah Sahireen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.03.29 13:40:00 -
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Kal'Panda wrote:The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward
You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner.
This is a step forwards, not a step backwards.
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Kal'Panda
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2014.03.29 15:28:00 -
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Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Kal'Panda wrote:The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner. This is a step forwards, not a step backwards.
Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc. Margin of Silence
85
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:25:00 -
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Kal'Panda wrote:Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Kal'Panda wrote:The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner. This is a step forwards, not a step backwards. Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one.
just armor tank the ret it works |
Kal'Panda
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:03:00 -
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[/quote]just armor tank the ret it works[/quote]
That would work, but the down side of armor tanking is you start to cut into the Mining Laser Upgrades low slots.
One thing to keep in mind is the Retriever doesn't have that great of a PG. The cheapest way to upgrade the low PG is to use one of the low slots for an Aux Power control. The more expensive way is to use Rigs... Of course an armor tank doesn't use much power. |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
270
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Posted - 2014.03.29 20:43:00 -
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btw, an invul is a better choice than an extender. Having said that, you can use a survey scanner if you like. Go for a setup like this:
[Retriever, scc]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2116
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Posted - 2014.03.29 23:22:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:If you want both tank and a scanner, go for a Procurer.
Pretty much this.
In case you weren't around for the barge rebalance, I would highly suggest you find the devblog and read it. It explains how they re-worked the barges and why.
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Dave Stark
4831
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Posted - 2014.03.30 07:16:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:just armor tank the ret it works or since it pays for itself in like, an hour or two... just don't bother tanking it at all. isk tank, best tank. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Cruis3r's Cr3w Inc. Margin of Silence
85
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Posted - 2014.03.30 11:58:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:just armor tank the ret it works or since it pays for itself in like, an hour or two... just don't bother tanking it at all. isk tank, best tank. thats how i did run normaly, but its also nice to see suiciders blow up on your tank :P (not mining anymore) |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
886
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Posted - 2014.03.30 12:29:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:just armor tank the ret it works or since it pays for itself in like, an hour or two... just don't bother tanking it at all. isk tank, best tank.
permit tank best tank. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
480
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Posted - 2014.03.31 02:22:00 -
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lol
Setup your overview to show specific ores.
You do know that you can have 5 tabs in the Overview? Right? You do know that? Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Kal'Panda
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:31:00 -
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My suggestion of giving the Retriever a second mid slot (for a scanner) would enhance its autonomy purpose without changing it mining capacity. This would allow more efficient mining by being able to know when to short cycle the strip miners. If one cycle (3 min.) of a strip miner yields 5,000 units of ore and the roid you are mining only contains 1,250 units you can stop your strip miner at -+ cycle (45 sec) complete and start on a new roid, thus saving time. But without the scanner you donGÇÖt know how much of the riod is remaining. And yes this would give you a shield tank (just as the rebalance intended) and a scanner.
From the dev log:
GÇóThe Covetor and Hulk cater to group mining operations due to their large mining capability, low EHP and storage, forcing them to rely on others to haul and resupply them with mining crystals. GÇóThe Retriever and Mackinaw are specifically designed for autonomy purposes, as their large ore bays allow their pilot to stay inside an asteroid belt for longer without having to dock. GÇóThe Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.
All the barges are getting their tanks adjusted to favor shields rather than structure hit points.
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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.01 19:36:00 -
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Kal'Panda wrote:That would work, but the down side of armor tanking is you start to cut into the Mining Laser Upgrades low slots. You don't want to armor tank because you'd lose a MLU, but you do want to transform a low into a mid-slot?
EVE is about making choices, so having to make the choice between the survey scanner and the shield tank is good.
And as others said, if you really care about tank, fly a Procurer. A Retty is best fit for maximum yield. Pay attention to local & dscan and just save the profit from the higher yield to replace it when it goes boom. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
457
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Posted - 2014.04.01 21:36:00 -
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The bottom line is that EVE is all about making choices and this situation is exactly that.
Kal'Panda wrote:Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one. WTB: Retriever with four low slots.
Caleidascope wrote:lol
Setup your overview to show specific ores.
You do know that you can have 5 tabs in the Overview? Right? You do know that? Seven years in game and you don't know what a survey scanner is used for? |
Kal'Panda
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2014.04.03 12:25:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:
WTB: Retriever with four low slots.
OOPS my bad it should be three (3) slots
The Retriever is the best solo T1 miner, I just feel that it should be just a tad more efficient without making it compete with the Mack. The ability to have the shield tank and to add a scanner, does make it more efficient even if you lose a low slot. The main limiting factor on the Retriever is it's PG and CPU, once you get these skill high you might as well move on the Mack. So I don't see a change like this as being a game changer. Anyway those are my thoughts, take them, leave them, or throw up on them. |
Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.04.03 13:59:00 -
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Just train for a Covetor or keep training and get in a Procurer or Mackinaw. |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2127
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Posted - 2014.04.03 14:58:00 -
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Kal'Panda wrote:My suggestion of giving the Retriever a second mid slot (for a scanner) would enhance its autonomy purpose without changing it mining capacity. This would allow more efficient mining by being able to know when to short cycle the strip miners. If one cycle (3 min.) of a strip miner yields 5,000 units of ore and the roid you are mining only contains 1,250 units you can stop your strip miner at -+ cycle (45 sec) complete and start on a new roid, thus saving time. But without the scanner you donGÇÖt know how much of the riod is remaining. And yes this would give you a shield tank (just as the rebalance intended) and a scanner.
From the dev log:
GÇóThe Covetor and Hulk cater to group mining operations due to their large mining capability, low EHP and storage, forcing them to rely on others to haul and resupply them with mining crystals. GÇóThe Retriever and Mackinaw are specifically designed for autonomy purposes, as their large ore bays allow their pilot to stay inside an asteroid belt for longer without having to dock. GÇóThe Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.
All the barges are getting their tanks adjusted to favor shields rather than structure hit points.
Highlighted the important parts. The retriever was NOT designed to have the shield buffer, the Procurer was.
By the way, you have rig slots. You can use them for some additional tank. There aren't any mining rigs anyhow so what else are you gonna put there. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
449
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:05:00 -
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Kal'Panda wrote:since most Retrievers use a shield extender in the mid slot.
That's called a choice. If you want tank, fly a procurer. |
Nolen Cadmar
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
137
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Posted - 2014.04.08 13:21:00 -
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Kal'Panda wrote:Laiannah Sahireen wrote:Kal'Panda wrote:The Venture has room for a scanner and shields, the Mack the same so why doesn't the Retriever. It seem like a step backward You know a Mack is literally just a higher-tech version of the retriever right? It is created using a retriever blueprint. So the retriever having one mid and the Mackinaw having more makes perfect sense. The Mack is a more advanced mining ship and has room for extra tools like the scanner. This is a step forwards, not a step backwards. Yep, the Retriever has only one (1) mid slot the Mack bumps it up to four (4). The Retriever has four (4) lows and the Mack only three (3). I'm thinking that a Retriever with two (2) mid slots and three (3) lows would make a better step up from a Venture without making the Mack any less valuable (it is the Best solo Exhumer for ore). Of course this may make the Retriever more valuable so the price may change making it take longer for a new player to get into one.
The point of the retriever having only 1 mid-slot is so that you HAVE to choose between survey scanner OR extender/invul. Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379 |
Wulfgar WarHammer
Imperium Research Inc
52
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Posted - 2014.04.08 14:44:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:By the way, you have rig slots. You can use them for some additional tank. There aren't any mining rigs anyhow so what else are you gonna put there.
Mining drone rigs. With Drone Interfacing V and Mining Drones V, they actually pull in quite a bit |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.04.08 15:39:00 -
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Muffet McStrudel wrote:Just train for a Covetor or keep training and get in a Procurer or Mackinaw.
Don't fly Covetors solo. They don't have a large enough ore hold to support their mining speed, and they are the most tempting of the T1 barges for suicide gankers. |
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