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Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2014.04.03 01:23:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Rthor wrote: CCP also said that they want ice to be like oil, to be something worth fighting over or something to that effect. Well ice can only become more important if its price goes up, and if ice price goes up then a lot of other things will go up, too. So yes there is not much inflation at the moment and there has not been but CCP's goal of making ice more important will increase inflation. And ice has been steadily on fire in a world of, predominantly, deflation or lack of inflation. Hence it is an issue worth discussing whether this move in ice price indicates arrival of some inflation actually
An increasing price of ice, due to reduced supply, or increased demand because of game mechanics, is not "inflation", much less "price inflation", which is the more common (though inaccurate) use of the term inflation. How high the price could go, could be attributed to inflation however. Enjoy the confusion.
You know, I do not think that you like me, but I was thinking about all of this. Before ice emphasis turns into inflation it can take years. There are so many steps along the way. The idea is to think of immediate step and do that trade, but know the chain. As I said already, I think that the first step is racial ice price compression. After that it may be same thing with carbides or maybe even something else like sylramic fibers shortage. Or maybe actually tech 1 items requiring mins in high sec instead due to mineral shortage in high sec. And on and on. I do not know yet. I am busy with racial ice compression atm for the next 6 months. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
279
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Posted - 2014.04.03 06:47:00 -
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Aren't inflation rates around where CCP wants them?
I suppose, but as a purveyor of goods on a long term basis I would appreciate some inflation again by dropping the tax back to its preincursion level. |

Adunh Slavy
1352
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Posted - 2014.04.03 09:29:00 -
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Rthor wrote: You know, I do not think that you like me, but I was thinking about all of this. Before ice emphasis turns into inflation it can take years. There are so many steps along the way. The idea is to think of immediate step and do that trade, but know the chain. As I said already, I think that the first step is racial ice price compression. After that it may be same thing with carbides or maybe even something else like sylramic fibers shortage. Or maybe actually tech 1 items requiring mins in high sec instead due to mineral shortage in high sec. And on and on. I do not know yet. I am busy with racial ice compression atm for the next 6 months.
Why would I not like you? I don't like or dislike you.
Anyway, what I am trying to point out is, "inflation" (either definition, monetary or price) always refers to the supply and demand for money, not the supply and demand of anything else.
CCP constraining the supply of Ice, and other mechanics changes that increase the use of ice, may cause prices to increase in some parts of the economy. However those price increases would not be caused by inflation.
How much those prices increase, or could increase, is where inflation matters. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |

Muffet McStrudel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.04.03 13:50:00 -
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Easy. Force people to pay for accounts with cash and not isk.
Funny, we didn't have either a huge lag or inflation problem years ago. Not until CCP wanted to increase the number of subs. Nobody in their right mind would pay for 20 cash accounts per month at $15 per account. However, plenty of people are willing to multibox 20 miners or ratters to do this.
That's the solution to both problems. Que the tears please ...
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Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:17:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:mynnna wrote: It just so happens that CFC space is home to the entire nullsec supply of nitropes bearing ices.
This is the main reason (and one I did not tell in my posts above) why I am usually opposed to blind null sec buffs and improvements. Because sov is badly designed and thus it's possible for one organization to take control and form a self cartel on a key resource. (Edit: read it well, I am not blaming you, you are really playing the game by its rules. THOSE are flawed not you) First it was R64 then Technetium now nitrogen isotopes. You guys (and those who came before you) are GREAT at having earned all that space and are GREAT at manipulating everything and everyone (CSM and who knows who else) into giving you preferred access to the best resources. But is it good for EvE, when a lone organization can perform a positive feedback process where they become more and more powerful? Positive feedbacks are not bad just for class A hi-fi amplifiers, they are also detrimental to MMOs long term health. Hi sec noobs are just that: a fragmented and thus powerless bunch of players who can't harm the game because they don't steer all as one, they aren't coordinated to focus and hit like an hammer. You can find the 27B Raven dude but he's irrelevant, which for a MMO is not so bad. On the other side there are the mega corps like yours that not only get the (deserved) prize for winning the game but also get mechanics that further self-fuel and amplify your power making it harder and discouraging for new "conquerors" to join the game. This is the "wealth and power divide" that forms the "established elite" that has brought so bad to many MMOs.
I don't like this helpless stuff. I am all in on cheaper ice isotopes and derivatives of this trade until the summer expansion hits. Goons cannot crash these prices but if they do they will crash prices of their own assets.
Trading is not personal. Bigger entities are not as nimble as smaller ones. So there is no reason to hate them or feel helpless. The thing to do is to front run them and that is what I intend to do. There should be supernormal profits in this endeavor and that is what I want to try. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5326
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Posted - 2014.04.03 23:33:00 -
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Rthor wrote: I don't like this helpless stuff. I am all in on cheaper ice isotopes and derivatives of this trade until the summer expansion hits. Goons cannot crash these prices but if they do they will crash prices of their own assets.
Trading is not personal. Bigger entities are not as nimble as smaller ones. So there is no reason to hate them or feel helpless. The thing to do is to front run them and that is what I intend to do. There should be supernormal profits in this endeavor and that is what I want to try.
Broaden your perspective. It's not just about you or me, but about the game in the long term. Today you make a profit, tomorrow you get a permanently manipulated economy in the hands of 2-3 mega-overlords. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Irken Slushk
G-Force Developments
21
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Posted - 2014.04.04 00:52:00 -
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As someone who has played the game a long time, read the forums regularly and watched the political landscape evolve I agree with VV. As VV states a couple posts up, the Goons do deserve credit for what they have done and are still doing but as VV has said is it healthy for the entire game to be manipulated by a select few individuals? |

Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:31:00 -
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Irken Slushk wrote:As someone who has played the game a long time, read the forums regularly and watched the political landscape evolve I agree with VV. As VV states a couple posts up, the Goons do deserve credit for what they have done and are still doing but as VV has said is it healthy for the entire game to be manipulated by a select few individuals?
So maybe you should be the benevolent dictator and say how things should be the best for the game? I am sure you are qualified to be the dictator of this game You know what is healthy for the game after all.
Possibly I do not understand this whole occupy wall street thing but is this generation all about complaining about stuff and sulking away or doing something about it all?
I mean I am going to do very well with or without goons but you guys are going to petition CCP for free stuff or something? |

Anni Hil-Ator
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.04.04 01:56:00 -
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I'm kind of a noob, but it seems to me that CCP want to keep selling PLEX. And if people keep buying PLEXs to convert into ISK... prices for items will undoubtedly get more expensive. Especially since many of the people buying PLEXs probably won't be too interested in mining or manufacturing. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3311
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Posted - 2014.04.04 05:04:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Rthor wrote: I don't like this helpless stuff. I am all in on cheaper ice isotopes and derivatives of this trade until the summer expansion hits. Goons cannot crash these prices but if they do they will crash prices of their own assets.
Trading is not personal. Bigger entities are not as nimble as smaller ones. So there is no reason to hate them or feel helpless. The thing to do is to front run them and that is what I intend to do. There should be supernormal profits in this endeavor and that is what I want to try.
Broaden your perspective. It's not just about you or me, but about the game in the long term. Today you make a profit, tomorrow you get a permanently manipulated economy in the hands of 2-3 mega-overlords.
I'm flattered you think so highly of myself & my associates. Unfortunately for the dystopian future you seem to like to imagine to excuse away your helplessness, we're generally too lazy to "permanently manipulate" the economy. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Rthor
Smugglers Inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.04.04 05:30:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Rthor wrote: I don't like this helpless stuff. I am all in on cheaper ice isotopes and derivatives of this trade until the summer expansion hits. Goons cannot crash these prices but if they do they will crash prices of their own assets.
Trading is not personal. Bigger entities are not as nimble as smaller ones. So there is no reason to hate them or feel helpless. The thing to do is to front run them and that is what I intend to do. There should be supernormal profits in this endeavor and that is what I want to try.
Broaden your perspective. It's not just about you or me, but about the game in the long term. Today you make a profit, tomorrow you get a permanently manipulated economy in the hands of 2-3 mega-overlords. I'm flattered you think so highly of myself & my associates. Unfortunately for the dystopian future you seem to like to imagine to excuse away your helplessness, we're generally too lazy to "permanently manipulate" the economy.
This is absolutely true. And so there is a ***** in the armor of the "overlords." |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3312
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Posted - 2014.04.04 06:15:00 -
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Now now. Being too lazy to actively & permanently manipulate the economy does not preclude ****ing up things that try to challenge us. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5327
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:16:00 -
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mynnna wrote: I'm flattered you think so highly of myself & my associates. Unfortunately for the dystopian future you seem to like to imagine to excuse away your helplessness, we're generally too lazy to "permanently manipulate" the economy.
Don't try to diminish yourself, you are one of the most powerful players in this game and know it.
The fact you (allegedly and only on your part) say you are "too lazy to do XYZ" does not mean it's OK. Edit: this also covers "helplessness": I don't want to long term adversely affect EvE for my / my "group" self interest. I want EvE 2024 to be as free and competitive as it's now.
Somebody else one day could be less lazy than you and go all out to stretch his position of power to the extreme.
You too should broaden your picture and think about those next guys (possibly other Goons but it does not matter) who could one day be in a similar position of power and be less nice than you are. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5327
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:14:00 -
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In addition to the above, another of my unwritten answers is heavily hinted by the rewards the new "Recall" program is giving to those who resume their old... ehm friends' old subs. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1493
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Posted - 2014.04.06 13:40:00 -
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I would like to confirm our laziness. It is only things too hilarious in ISK or tears we don't pass up. Or just when we want to smug and be all Machiavellian. Happens more often than you would think. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5331
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Posted - 2014.04.06 14:56:00 -
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Aryth wrote:I would like to confirm our laziness. It is only things too hilarious in ISK or tears we don't pass up. Or just when we want to smug and be all Machiavellian. Happens more often than you would think.
Man, I love everything you say and also how you say it <3 Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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