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Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:33:00 -
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I'm opening up a discussion about the second generation of Battlecuisers.
What do you like them to be. Should they be step up or down? what about stats.
1. For me the BC currently in game are bit too weak. Should the tier 2 ones have 8 gun slots of medium guns?
2. Or a special ship class that can be fitted with say 4 BS guns and have a bonuses for them even but still lack the armor and shields of BS (Like a Bomber can have cruise missiles) Many olayers think that is the way they should have been implemented in the first place. (Assault BC)
(I recomend keep this discussion polite and on the topic and be constructive)
thanks.
G.G
now chat.
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Arleonenis
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:46:00 -
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8 med guns (or heavy missle launchers on tier 2 ferox) and 1 more low or med slot depending if ship shield or armor tank, same amount of HP, signatures, speed and same bonuses as tier1 battlecruisers
big guns are bad idea, if you want big guns you get bs, especially that price diffrence between tier1 bs and tier2 bc wouldnt be that big; 4 big guns and bc tankability would mean: it cant fight off cruisers (poor tracking on large guns anyone) and have still no chance against any bs, so it wouldnt be able to fulfill any usefull role
most funny "big guns" sceanario would be with hybrids and lasers where considering bc capacitor your own guns would work better than enemies nosferatu for killing your cap
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:48:00 -
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Similar slots, hp and cap/grid/cpu as the current ones. I agree that a reasonable bonus for fitting BS guns would be nice, like 85% reduction in grid use of Large weapons and 10% reduction of Large and Medium Laser capacitor use.
That would make a Tachyon draw 562 MW. You could fit 2 tachs and a couple smaller lasers. Very cool. The ship would be halfway between an Armageddon and a Prophecy. It would also give the low end BS lasers a use as you could squeeze 6 Dual heavy pulses on it if you really wanted.
Same for the minmatar one, a 5% ROF bonus and 85% reduction in Grid use of Large Projectiles. Minmatar BC with 2 x 1400 II and some 650:s, anyone ? ___________________________________
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:50:00 -
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I cannot really see a use for a prophecy with 2 tachyons and a bunch of medium guns.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.04 10:51:00 -
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First and foremost. All Battlecruisers should have their signature radius reduced to an avarage of 225 meters instead of the current 300 meters. Currently they take damage like a battleship, but still tank like a cruiser! With this change they'll take damage a bit worse than a cruiser, but most of them will tank better than a cruiser.
Amarr - If the tanking bonus isn't set in stone, Omen-like bonuses Caldari - Missile bonuses (5% shield resists, 5% missile launcher rate of fire) Gallente - Drone bonuses (7.5% armour boost, +10% drone damage and hit points, large drone bay) Minmatar - Same as with the Amarrian, this time with Rupture-like bonuses New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards) |
Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin First and foremost. All Battlecruisers should have their signature radius reduced to an avarage of 225 meters instead of the current 300 meters. Currently they take damage like a battleship, but still tank like a cruiser! With this change they'll take damage a bit worse than a cruiser, but most of them will tank better than a cruiser.
QTF
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:25:00 -
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Quote: Minmatar - Same as with the Amarrian, this time with Rupture-like bonuses
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin First and foremost. All Battlecruisers should have their signature radius reduced to an avarage of 225 meters instead of the current 300 meters. Currently they take damage like a battleship, but still tank like a cruiser! With this change they'll take damage a bit worse than a cruiser, but most of them will tank better than a cruiser.
QFT, and a small Agility increase would be welcome as well.
Originally by: Ithildin Gallente - Drone bonuses (7.5% armour boost, +10% drone damage and hit points, large drone bay)
This would all depend on the size of the drone bay, I personally don't want to see a BC that can field a full wing of heavy drones and have a drone damage bonuss. I would rather see it get 25m3 or 50m3 drone bay space instead, would keep it from being OP imo.
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Bob Niac
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:40:00 -
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gallente is going to be a Drone Platform
anywho ... can we PLEASE get a logistics BCriuser? Maybe Even a Logistics Droneboat? __________________________________
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Nicose
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:50:00 -
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caldari one should be;
8 hi 6 Med 5 Low
7 Luancher 6 turret
Bonus - 7.5% bonus to all resi per lvl, 10% Dmg bonus to Kin heavy missiles per level, 2.5% reduced affect on smaller sig radius, 2% ROF launcher and turrets, 10% optimum range bonus to med hybrids.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nicose caldari one should be;
8 hi 6 Med 5 Low
7 Luancher 6 turret
Bonus - 7.5% bonus to all resi per lvl, 10% Dmg bonus to Kin heavy missiles per level, 2.5% reduced affect on smaller sig radius, 2% ROF launcher and turrets, 10% optimum range bonus to med hybrids.
We are talking about TIER 2 Battlecruiser, i.e. technology level 1 battlecruisers. New sig coming soonÖ Drone musing (MC-boards) |
errorist
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Posted - 2006.05.04 11:53:00 -
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the gallente one should be a drone carrier
Slot layout 6 high 6 turret hp 4 med 6 low
drone bay 200 m3
and get something like a drone/mwd bonus
if i got a ship like this i would be in heaven
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Terrak2
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:05:00 -
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Following the other ships of each path the bonuses should probably be:
Gallente +5% med hybrid +10% drone dmg/hp Caldari +10% velocity +5-10% Kinetic damage Amarr +10% to laser cap +5% to laser ROF -- Terror Legion - Recruiting |
Queen Hades
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:10:00 -
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Gallente: Dronebomber (+ 10% drone damage per level, + 5% drone control range per level, 125 m¦ dronebay), maybe only 3 turret hardpoints (of 5, because we need 2x NOS)
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Kindakrof
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:34:00 -
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I want a proph with a bigger grid and better looks.
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Orvas Dren
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:38:00 -
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I want ECM to be made into a 1000 CPU module across the board and give the Tier 2 BC a bonus to 99% reduction in the CPU usage of ECM modules.
Everyone gets ECM, but not every ship.
*Orvas Dren steps into his flame-retardant suit*
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Virida
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:39:00 -
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I want an ship with bonuses to MWD.
Or something working as "battlecruicer yamoto", with an area of effect beam weapon emmiting from the front.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:41:00 -
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Noes!11!eleventyone! I want a Bigger brother to the Omen with a RoF bonus so I can wack 6-8 Heavy Pulse 2s on it with conflagration and 4 heatsink 2s and make stuff go booooM! ------------------------------------------ dl1.eve-files.com/media/0604/logo.gif[/IMG]
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rockbox Noes!11!eleventyone! I want a Bigger brother to the Omen with a RoF bonus so I can wack 6-8 Heavy Pulse 2s on it with conflagration and 4 heatsink 2s and make stuff go booooM!
Can I offer you a job on the CCP dev team?
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Manion Taleroth
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Posted - 2006.05.04 16:52:00 -
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I simply want them to take a slightly different role. The Prophecy is often likened to the Maller. I'd like to see the Amarr Tier 2 BC be more akin to the Omen.
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.05.04 17:23:00 -
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Can i get a ****ing armor tank on a minnie ship please?
Oh, and a bit a sig radius love wouldn't go amiss. Just a bit.
sgb
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Lord Slater
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Posted - 2006.05.04 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: smallgreenblur Can i get a ****ing armor tank on a minnie ship please?
Oh, and a bit a sig radius love wouldn't go amiss. Just a bit.
sgb
To armour tank your ship needs to be well constructed which sorts of excludes mimitar ships.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin First and foremost. All Battlecruisers should have their signature radius reduced to an avarage of 225 meters instead of the current 300 meters. Currently they take damage like a battleship, but still tank like a cruiser! With this change they'll take damage a bit worse than a cruiser, but most of them will tank better than a cruiser.
Amarr - If the tanking bonus isn't set in stone, Omen-like bonuses
How can I argue with you Ithildin, when you make such absolutely perfect sense?
Destroyers and BC's are in the same boat at the moment. BC's would be much more useful if they didn't take quite so much damage through sig radius and maybe a touch more agility. Some BS's actually handle better than a BC - which kind of defeats the purpose of flying a BC.
The Amarr BC concept art takes it's cues from the Omen. I am soooo ready to see an BC sized Omen with enough grid to mount a rack of 7/8 lasers.......<shudders>.
Nyxus
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus The Amarr BC concept art takes it's cues from the Omen. I am soooo ready to see an BC sized Omen with enough grid to mount a rack of 7/8 lasers.......<shudders>.
I don't get this fascination with the Omen frame.
I just took one out for a bit of 1v1, and it performed great. But it's got no character. I can't love it like my fat chicken Prophecy!
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Neil armstrong
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Posted - 2006.05.04 20:51:00 -
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heres a radical idea y not make them like rl battlecruiser between cruiser and bs for size armour and speed near bs dmg potential?? bassically slightly lower dmg output (but faster and better tracking etc) than a bs but weak as **** protection
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Faith Rose
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Posted - 2006.05.04 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Faith Rose on 04/05/2006 21:12:08 Edited by: Faith Rose on 04/05/2006 21:10:28 i'd like to see them turned into pocket battleships. Modeled in genral terms after the WW2 German ships. ((Interms I mean their capabilities)) =============================================== It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected. |
Neil armstrong
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Posted - 2006.05.04 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Faith Rose i'd like to see them turned into pocket battleships. Modeled in genral terms after the WW2 German ships.
thats what i was tryin to say
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.05.04 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Orvas Dren I want ECM to be made into a 1000 CPU module across the board and give the Tier 2 BC a bonus to 99% reduction in the CPU usage of ECM modules.
Everyone gets ECM, but not every ship.
*Orvas Dren steps into his flame-retardant suit*
You stole my idea from vent!!!
Bloody Thought Pirate!
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Orvas Dren
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Posted - 2006.05.04 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Orvas Dren on 04/05/2006 22:00:29 I said what I want, not what I came up with. :P
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.05.04 23:46:00 -
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If the tier 2 gal is a drone ship (which i suspect it is) GL getting me out of it. ---------------------------
Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
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