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Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:35:00 - [1] Battleships Apocalypse Armageddon Raven Scorpion Megathron Dominix Tempest Typhoon Faction Battleships Apocalypse Navy Issue Raven Navy Issue Megathron Navy Issue Tempest Fleet Issue Rattlesnake Vindicator Nightmare Bhaalgorn Machariel ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:35:00 - [2] This thread marks the return of a moderator maintained Ship Setup Index, using the same general template as the Pre-RMR Ship Setup Thread. If you wish to add a setup to this thread, please post the link and a short description if necessary. Please do not post the setup itself. These and any other off-topic posts will be deleted. (please do not post any replies in this thread at this time - Under Construction!) ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:36:00 - [3] Battlecruisers Prophecy Ferox Brutix Cyclone Command Ships Absolution Damnation Nighthawk Vulture Astarte Eos Claymore Sleipnir ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:37:00 - [4] Cruisers Arbitrator Augoror Maller Omen Blackbird Caracal Moa Osprey Celestis Exequror Thorax Vexor Bellicose Rupture Scythe Stabber ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:40:00 - [5] Logistics Cruisers Guardian Basilisk Oneiros Scimitar Heavy Assault Cruisers Sacriledge Zealot Cerberus Eagle Deimos Ishtar Muninn Vagabond ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:43:00 - [6] Recon Ships Curse Pilgrim Falcon Rook Arazu Lachesis Huginn Rapier ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:47:00 - [7] Destroyers Coercer Cormorant Catalyst Thrasher Interdictors Heretic Flycatcher Eris Sabre ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 18:53:00 - [8] Frigates Crucifier Executioner Inquisitor Punisher Tormentor Bantam Condor Griffin Heron Kestrel Merlin Atron Imicus Incursus Maulus Navitas Tristan Breacher Burst Probe Rifter Slasher Vigil ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:00:00 - [9] Frigates Atron Imicus Incursus Maulus Navitas Tristan Breacher Burst Probe Rifter Slasher Vigil ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:04:00 - [10] Assault Ships Retribution Vengeance Harpy Hawk Enyo Ishkur Jaguar Wolf Interceptors Crusader Malediction Crow Raptor Ares Taranis Claw Stiletto ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]



Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:20:00 - [11] Covert Ops Anathema Buzzard Helios Cheetah Stealth Bombers Purifier Manticore Nemesis Hound ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:21:00 - [12] Faction Frigates Amarr Navy Slicer Caldary Navy Hookbill Gallente Navy Comet Republic Fleet Firetail Worm Daredevil Succubus Cruor Dramiel ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:25:00 - [13] Industrial Ships Bestower Badger Mark II Iteron Mark IV Iteron Mark V Mammoth Wreathe Transport Ships Impel Prorator Bustard Crane Occator Viator Mastodon Prowler ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:32:00 - [14] Mining Barges Covetor Procurer Retriever Exhumer Barges Skiff Mackinaw Hulk ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:34:00 - [15] Carriers Awaiting Ship Setups ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.04 19:36:00 - [16] Dreadnoughts Revelation Phoenix Moros Naglfar Titans [list] Awaiting Ship Setup Data ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

Malka Badi'a	Posted - 2006.05.04 22:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 04/05/2006 22:20:17 ... --------------
Ral Ulgur	Posted - 2006.05.04 23:03:00 - [18] I found the layout of Guardian Alpha's thread more appealing.
Neesa Corrinne	Posted - 2006.05.05 04:32:00 - [19] The post-RMR thread needed to be reformatted.... ummm, why? Now I have to change all my bookmarks. Thanks.
Cap'n Jackk	Posted - 2006.05.05 06:17:00 - [20] The other set-up was a lot better. -.-

Tiberyya Za	Posted - 2006.05.05 07:19:00 - [21] Edited by: Tiberyya Za on 05/05/2006 07:21:32 J'aime le Gallente! Maulus [1] Imicus [1] [2] Atron [1] 362x120 pixels. 23.55KB
Hydrogen	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:40:00 - [22] Edited by: Hydrogen on 05/05/2006 09:45:03 Amarr assault frig guide PS: sigh people complaining - I can not understand you - finally again a moderated and up to date thread. Still it would be cool if it were not just numbers linked, but a more descriptive text so that people know what to expect from the linked thread. AF Guide
maGz	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:44:00 - [23] Edited by: maGz on 05/05/2006 09:44:22 Sacrilege not Sacriledge... And I too like the other thread-setup better. ______________________
blueanna	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:29:00 - [24] I really miss the difference between PvP and PvE setups...it would be nice if this could be implemented into the thread. Apart from that: good work!

Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:49:00 - [25] I appreciate the constructive feedback. The reasons for the change are the following: 1) This layout allows for descriptions to be entered (something that was planned and I will be adding, just wanted to get the structure done first), and it was used previous to RMR, as well. 2) It also allows for growth. Ideally we'll have a lot more setups than we have here, and making room for them is important. 3) The categorization makes it easier to find the setups you're looking for as well as browse by ship class. Let's keep the constructive feedback and setups coming! ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

Malka Badi'a	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Jorauk 1) This layout allows for descriptions to be entered (something that was planned and I will be adding, just wanted to get the structure done first), and it was used previous to RMR, as well. Used previously does not mean it is more efficient. My layout (guardian being my alt) was something I felt to be much more readable and allowed descriptions. However due to post limit size I had to restructure it into something more streamlined. I asked the devs to help on removing the post character count so that the structure everyone liked and the descriptions everyone liked could be kept. I didn't ask to remove my post completely and put things in the "traditional" sense. Quote: 2) It also allows for growth. Ideally we'll have a lot more setups than we have here, and making room for them is important. The only thing I needed from ISD was the removal of the character limit. Don't sacrafice readability for growth. Quote: 3) The categorization makes it easier to find the setups you're looking for as well as browse by ship class. Disagreed. In my experience people are looking for more ideas about their own race than the same ships of different races. But hey... what can I do about it now. --------------

Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:40:00 - [27] Malka/Guardian, The character limit isn't something that can be simply switched on and off per thread/player. It's built into the forum code and is not easily modified. If you have further issues you wish to discuss, please e-mail us at [email protected]. ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

Malka Badi'a	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:45:00 - [28] Edited by: Malka Badi''a on 05/05/2006 15:45:30 Fair enough, I can understand hardwiring. I'll be adding a database to EVE Griefer eventually then that way we can keep this thread running smooth but also have a place where it can be organized, searched, reordered, etc. Thanks for the thread moderation though, I'm sure it will be exciting. --------------

Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Malka Badi'a I'll be adding a database to EVE Griefer eventually then that way we can keep this thread running smooth but also have a place where it can be organized, searched, reordered, etc. Be sure to post here with that link when it's ready, I'll be sure to add it in the initial post. ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

Vily	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:49:00 - [30] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=332732 Heretic info and setup's.

Nyabinghi	Posted - 2006.05.05 19:05:00 - [31] Requesting additions: Manticore Daredevil Republic Fleet Firetail I know the former two are in the forums somewhere, just too far back for me to find a link. I make cool banners for ISK.
Osco	Posted - 2006.05.06 15:00:00 - [32] Is the previous thread around anywhere? Was it unstickied or deleted? Thanks!
Samirol	Posted - 2006.05.06 22:40:00 - [33] Edited by: Samirol on 06/05/2006 22:42:40 Thorax This is for affordable PVP and solo belt piracy, but it kicks some serious butt as well for being a relatively cheap setup. I also preferred it to how Malkia/Guardian had it. Since I fly Gallente ships mostly I knew where the Gallente section was and could easily flip to that section. I could get a Dominix npcing setup and a Vexor PVPing setup all in the same place.
Leon 026	Posted - 2006.05.07 07:16:00 - [34] Edited by: Leon 026 on 07/05/2006 07:18:33 Crow PvE / PvP Cold War setups. but still very much applicable to RMR and I believe its one of the more helpful crow setup out there that exists amongst the newer 'simple' setups. Got to understand the basis of the change before you can work up from it. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=204871 General interceptor discussion / strategy http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=315153 ------------------------------- [20:05:51] Cyshade > Leon 026, making Crow BPO owners trillionaires since 29.08.2005
Luxo	Posted - 2006.05.07 10:11:00 - [35] where are the covert ops setup's??? need one for helios and buzzard
Dorque	Posted - 2006.05.09 13:38:00 - [36] Good guide
Xori Ruscuv	Posted - 2006.05.09 17:03:00 - [37] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 09/05/2006 17:03:29 Several L4 missioning Dominix setups in this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=335281 Gotcha! I bet that got ya all hot under the collar, didn't it?
Nato Xemus	Posted - 2006.05.10 03:45:00 - [38] what no hellios setup? herecy!
Betawolf	Posted - 2006.05.12 10:20:00 - [39] Scimitar Logistics Cruiser setups thread

Jorauk	Posted - 2006.05.12 15:07:00 - [40] Originally by: "Osco" Is the previous thread around anywhere? Was it unstickied or deleted? I put a link to the previous thread in the first post of this thread. It wasn't deleted, just unstickied. And if you don't see a ship setup in this index, feel free to dig up a setup thread and post a link. Keep em coming! ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]


Aeaus	Posted - 2006.05.13 17:36:00 - [41] Typhoon PVP My Guides (Recomended Reading)
Dorah Hawkwing	Posted - 2006.05.14 01:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Dorah Hawkwing on 14/05/2006 01:19:44 Phantasm thread: Phantasm Thread
Agent2 Holtze	Posted - 2006.05.15 22:33:00 - [43] Can we please have this shown before people are allowed posting on the forums: Link
madaluap	Posted - 2006.05.23 07:27:00 - [44] Lachesis setup _________________________________________________ OW YEH BABEH, I GOT THE GLITTERS I GOT EM
twopointoh	Posted - 2006.05.28 21:36:00 - [45] L2 Mission Alternative Rifter Setup
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.05.31 07:41:00 - [46] [RMR] Rapier PvP setups Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Mark Hamill	Posted - 2006.05.31 23:35:00 - [47] Augoror Combat Support Fitting
Draahk Chimera	Posted - 2006.06.01 15:46:00 - [48] Gila Faction Cruiser lvl 3 mission setup Thank you
Rina Shanu	Posted - 2006.06.02 01:16:00 - [49] My recent post on the duraMaller setup. please take a look into it and I hope it's good enough for the sticky. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=346362 and clicky Regards, Rina Shanu RECRUITING
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.06 10:58:00 - [50] T2 (Advanced) NPC caracal setup... dunno if more is needed, but here it is anyway. Linkage

dfsgaergaerg	Posted - 2006.06.07 13:19:00 - [51] topic i recently started about navy issue megathron http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=348241&page=1
Morke	Posted - 2006.06.08 08:16:00 - [52] I dont see the following command ships listed (though I remember this page linked to at least the Eos once): Damnation, Eos, Vulture and Claymore. Could you add them again?
Arthur McFredric	Posted - 2006.06.08 09:47:00 - [53] Barge setup - Retriever for lowsec Linkage

Jorauk	Posted - 2006.06.08 16:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Morke I dont see the following command ships listed (though I remember this page linked to at least the Eos once): Damnation, Eos, Vulture and Claymore. Could you add them again? Ships are only listed if there has been a setup thread made (and linked here) for them. If you know of any setup threads for any of those ships, link them here and I'll add them. ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

Samirol	Posted - 2006.06.12 09:29:00 - [55] Piracy Vexor ORE MONGERS
Lyra VX	Posted - 2006.06.12 11:21:00 - [56] Huginn thread here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=347928
Mo Steel	Posted - 2006.06.25 02:49:00 - [57] Please add this one for Falcons: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=355036&page=1
Still Hart	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:11:00 - [58] Sabre: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=332215 _____________________
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.07.05 20:23:00 - [59] Originally by: Still Hart Sabre Linkage 4tw. If you update that one, this post can happily be deleted by a passing mod.
Ris Dnalor Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.17 12:48:00 - [60] Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 17/07/2006 12:48:37 Bellicose Romulan Warbird Nostalgia Fitting -- 27m industrial trading research Character For Sale For isk

Hohenheim OfLight The MadKas Alliance Vanu Space Command	Posted - 2006.07.17 21:29:00 - [61] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=364448 Nidog, thou ignor mine, the ones posted below are much better. ----------------------------------------------
Caztor Pollux Provenance Security Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.07.21 14:51:00 - [62] Any setups for Covert Ops Buzzard?
Basileus	Posted - 2006.07.24 10:47:00 - [63] Edited by: Basileus on 24/07/2006 10:47:16 [RMR] Caldari Navi Raven setup for PVE: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=368921 Linkage
hyundra04 Minmatar	Posted - 2006.07.25 10:45:00 - [64] need a setup for the carrier nidhoggur would anyone know what sort of way to set this ship up ? many thanks
Mar vel Caldari	Posted - 2006.07.27 16:31:00 - [65] Anyone have a post setup for PvP on a Vulture>? I know these were very popular in the recent fleet competition. Wondering what are some of the more effective setups. Cheers.
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.27 20:09:00 - [66] Someone's posted a setup for the Crane (Caldari transport ship) here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=370647 ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 10:26:00 - [67] And someone has a Machariel thread going: Machariel ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.28 15:51:00 - [68] There's a Stealth Bomber discussion going on now. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 04:19:00 - [69] This thread is still being updated, right? Taranis Tackler/Gang discussion here. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Ukswin	Posted - 2006.07.30 14:13:00 - [70] Edited by: Ukswin on 30/07/2006 14:13:57 Just a few replies. 281464 views! Very good job making this ;) I found it pretty usefull for me as a newbie to fit new ships :)

Zetaa Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.31 13:08:00 - [71] And we have Level 4 Mission Ishtar here... ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Malcom Micawber	Posted - 2006.07.31 16:10:00 - [72] Edited by: Malcom Micawber on 31/07/2006 16:11:53 Would you please add this: Tempest LVL4 mission setups. Tempest fittings for lvl4 missions. Thread has some real good hints.
Zetaa Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.	Posted - 2006.08.02 12:58:00 - [73] PVP Caracal ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Zetaa Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.	Posted - 2006.08.02 13:00:00 - [74] Cynabal setups ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.03 16:56:00 - [75] Edited by: Garia666 on 03/08/2006 16:57:28 Damnation Setup [RMR] Damnation Setup
Fyarr III Caldari Sea Slug Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.03 20:20:00 - [76] Umm, I notice the Hawk isn't listed __________________________________
Zetaa Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.	Posted - 2006.08.04 12:40:00 - [77] Originally by: Fyarr III Umm, I notice the Hawk isn't listed The Nighthawk is listed. Unless there's another ship named Hawk, which there could be, I don't know all the ship names. And it's easy to get it listed... link a thread to this one. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
Fyarr III Caldari Sea Slug Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.04 21:20:00 - [78] Originally by: Zetaa Originally by: Fyarr III Umm, I notice the Hawk isn't listed The Nighthawk is listed. Unless there's another ship named Hawk, which there could be, I don't know all the ship names. And it's easy to get it listed... link a thread to this one. Hawk is a missile AF next to the Harpy __________________________________
Hubbins Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.05 03:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Fyarr III Umm, I notice the Hawk isn't listed Hawk Setups
Agasagy	Posted - 2006.08.06 11:45:00 - [80] [RMR] Cerberus for PVP I like this setup for pvp mybe more will be added if you ad this to your list. thanks

Agasagy	Posted - 2006.08.06 12:00:00 - [81] [RMR] Cerberus for LVL 4 missions this is good for missions maybe put it there and get more setups?
echira Gallente VeloxMortis	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:22:00 - [82] Blasterthron discussion.
ThaMa Gebir Gallente Raddick Explorations Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.07 19:55:00 - [83] For a Carrier (chimera iirc). Caldari setup; Highs; Gang support mods and Drone interface modules (+1 fighter per module iirc) Meds; Invulnerability t2 x 2/3, 2/3 shield boost amplifiers named or t2, 1 Capital shield booster. Lows; Capital Armour repper, Recharge mods or pdu t2 or such. Possibly a damage control. Just a basic idea and looking at the setup a corpmate thought of.
Leyalor Esperence Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.08 00:55:00 - [84] republic fleet firetail discussion: Linkage
Zetaa Amarr 7th Heaven Private Indst.	Posted - 2006.08.08 19:03:00 - [85] PvE/PvP Arbitrator setups. ----- All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved.
CB Apollo	Posted - 2006.08.10 11:50:00 - [86] RMR PvP Vengence Setups Please resize your signature, oh and I love you - Jacques

Jorauk Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.11 05:09:00 - [87] My apologies for the delays on updating, everything's been added in now. Thanks a lot for all the useful links! Keep 'em coming and I'll be doing better to keep this refreshed. ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

inSpirAcy Caldari The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.08.11 13:52:00 - [88] Could you add my Maller PvP to the sticky? It has some nice medium turret setups, for high damage, which I haven't seen in any of the other threads.
Osric Venn Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.08.11 20:55:00 - [89] I posted a setup in this forum for a cheap, easy and effective Merlin setup for new players who want to run level 1 kill missions witout breaking their bank and without spending a lot of time training. Here is the link: LINK
Anders Kraneled Dark-Rising Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.12 20:10:00 - [90] Here's a thread about the Heron.

DOGNOSH Minmatar SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2006.08.13 19:45:00 - [91] jorauk i found this thread for helios setup, covert ops,hope it helps HELIOS ========================================== stop moaning,give CCP a break
nightwolf03 Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.14 16:06:00 - [92] I need a Typhoon NPC setup for guristas plz!

Jorauk Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.15 13:25:00 - [93] Thank you for the setup links, keem 'em coming! Originally by: nightwolf03 I need a Typhoon NPC setup for guristas plz! This thread is an index of already existing setups, if you can't find one, post a new thread in the Ships & Modules Forum requesting setups for a particular ship. Normally, posts like yours would be deleted in this thread, but I see a few of these crop up every so often, so I just want to reinforce how this is supposed to work. ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

Archo X Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.16 19:53:00 - [94] Chimera, Caldari Carrier fitting http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3517
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.08.19 09:08:00 - [95] Experimental Brutix Setup Tier 1 BS Lotto
Nox Amor	Posted - 2006.08.24 05:36:00 - [96] Edited by: Nox Amor on 24/08/2006 05:37:45 ops wrong thread please delete this.
Shad0wlife Tamoku Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.25 17:31:00 - [97] great thread

Jorauk Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.26 22:39:00 - [98] Originally by: Archo X Chimera, Caldari Carrier fitting http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=channel&channelID=3517 Erm, I think you may have pasted the link wrong, this is just a URL to the Ships & Modules forum.. ------------ rules \| CRC Web \| [email protected]

Basileus	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:53:00 - [99] Faction fitted Raven
Shadarle	Posted - 2006.08.31 20:10:00 - [100] I am working on a numerical comparison of various shield tank setups, it may be very helpful for people trying to determine which setup works best for them. So far I have setups for the Raven, Ferox and Cerberus... and I'll be adding more as I have time. I'll also hopefully figure out a way to make the list a bit prettier in the future. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=386174 ********************************************** Tank Rankings - Ships & Fittings Compared! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=386174

Guurzak Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.01 22:00:00 - [101] Edited by: Guurzak on 01/09/2006 22:00:50 Obelisk: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=387252
Bitter ice	Posted - 2006.09.06 10:39:00 - [102] Tank them all Hulk setup: Higs: 3strips 2 Med: Gisti Small Shild booster 37% boost amp 2Domination Invuli field( much cheaper than Dread gurista one+less cap use) Lows: Best DMG control(Internal force field array) PDU II With this setup you can tank triple Angel BS spawns(up to 1.4m).Just stagger miners for 45 seconds for cap use!
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2006.09.06 18:05:00 - [103] any thread about fiting lvl4 missions megatron ? kill alt post thx
Galazar Gentleman Scoundrels	Posted - 2006.09.22 18:29:00 - [104] Jorauk - dont suppose you have a setup for a chimera?...so far my one pwns, but im still befuddled as to what to put in the low slots to make it even more defensive/lethal
TruthKeeper Chuskarl's Family The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.09.24 19:58:00 - [105] Pls add the Flycatcher Setup thread to the main list.
Shoele Lialos Gallente MCB Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.28 11:45:00 - [106] I recently started a thread for the Cheetah Covert Ops ship. Can you list it please?
Cerpen Taxt Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.02 19:09:00 - [107] the thorax post listed here is insane, almost everyone suggests a blasterax, but theres no blaster setup in that thread.., I could be missing something but that post isn't very helpfull without that.
Myadra Amarr Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:28:00 - [108] Edited by: Myadra on 09/10/2006 21:28:34 added a [RMR] Ashimmu pvp setup, please add :) link -Countess Myadra
Azia Burgi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.17 17:27:00 - [109] Worm Loadout -------------------------------------------------- Azia Burgi http://azia.geekandproud.co.uk
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:40:00 - [110] Greets.. Im looking for a mark V setup, that needs to have 20k cargo w/o cans. Can anyone suggest which expanders to use for this? Is it even possible? thx in advance Kaaii Trading 101

Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.20 15:43:00 - [111] Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 20/10/2006 15:45:04 Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 20/10/2006 15:43:55 Originally by: Kaaii Greets.. Im looking for a mark V setup, that needs to have 20k cargo w/o cans. Can anyone suggest which expanders to use for this? Is it even possible? thx in advance Kaaii brb
Taliss Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.26 03:49:00 - [112] Can someone give a setup for a Buzzard and Manticore Covert Ops ship. I see said the blind man to the deaf lady
xHalcyonx Amarr CyberDyne Industries	Posted - 2006.11.02 20:35:00 - [113] These set-ups have helped me a bunch...thanks!
Yoshitsune Monogatari Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.11.05 06:56:00 - [114] Thanatos Setups
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.05 22:17:00 - [115] Why is the ****ation setup sencored? You cant even read it any more this su cks badly .. ->My Vids<-
Karasu Kaizoku Caldari United Miners Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.09 03:01:00 - [116] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=423366 Still trying to work it out, the goal is a balanced pvp/rat/mission ship not being great in one way or the other but being decent for the "newer" players such as myself. Not to skill heavy and I almost have it done in less then a month.*
Liteshow	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:43:00 - [117] Where are the Manticore setups? I've been flying one for about 3 months now and still haven't found a great setup. As of now I'm running: High: 3 x xt-9000 Cruise Launchers 1 x prototype cloaking device Med: 2 x prototype Sensor boosters 1 x passive targeter Low: 1 x Cross-linked Ballistic Control Module 1 x warp stab
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.13 09:33:00 - [118] for the manticore i would try max 1st volley damage, t2 launchers, bcuII and painters - shot one, wait till the cms hit, and run for the hills. Buzzard cloaking, scan probe launcher, nanos or overdrive - some use mwd but having a hard time with the cap then, cause if u fit a mwd u need a bat, then u need cpu, which will slow u down while ur cloaked.
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2006.11.13 19:11:00 - [119] Heavy Missile II x3 650mm II X2 -3rd wont fit Drone Link Augmenter - 73km Drone range 10MN AB II Invull II Large Shield Extender x2 Fleeting Web x2 Damage Control Power Diagnostic x2 *Thread responses i noted. Signal amp/Seneor booster ?? cant figure out why the ship has a 156km targeting range already Damage is certainly from missiles and the drones. I had a spare hi slot cause 3x arties wouldnt fit so i put in a drone link. Some kind of logistics drones for gang or combat drones. Could easily drop the invul and pop in a scram was also thinking of dropping the PDU's and going for nanos for some agility
Aramis Rosicrux Gallente Ordo Rosa Crux Templaris	Posted - 2006.11.14 00:34:00 - [120] Iteron Five Secure Space, Max cargo Highs 125 mm Rail Small Transport Beam Mids Medium Shield Extender Enemy-specific passive Hardner (i.e. against Sansha/EM damage use Magnetic Field Hardener) Shield Boost Amplifier Medium Shield Booster 10 MN Abterburner Lows 5X Cargo Expanders Standard T1 CE;s give you just over 17k m3 cargo space Type-D CE's give you around 21k M3, Local CE's get 25k m3 Hazardous Space/Fast Freight Highs 150 mm Rail T2/named Prototype Cloak Mids Medium Shield Extender T2/named Invulnerability Field T2/named Shield Boost Amplifier named Medium Shield Booster T2/named 10 MN Abterburner T2/named Lows 5x Overdrive named or 3x Overdrive 2x Power Diagnostic Unit T2/named Now I have monster skills, but this ship has CPU to spare so its a matter of balancing power grid. Good luck and remember to check local and use your long-range-scanner! Humility is the hallmark of honorable character. Aramis Rosicrux

ShadowFox 07	Posted - 2006.11.25 17:54:00 - [121] These setups are a big helper to me. thanks guy.
Safaomae Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:25:00 - [122] retribution lvl 3 mission setup
Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.29 23:44:00 - [123] At this point, can all pre-Kali threads be marked as such (or removed), and all post-kali threads be marked? Looks like there are a lot of new players hanging about who don't realize how much Kali changed things, and they're going to be looking at some of these threads and getting a bit confused. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Firane Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.30 14:48:00 - [124] Originally by: Xori Ruscuv At this point, can all pre-Kali threads be marked as such (or removed), and all post-kali threads be marked? Looks like there are a lot of new players hanging about who don't realize how much Kali changed things, and they're going to be looking at some of these threads and getting a bit confused. I think its time for a new thread altogether, with some consistency in naming threads like [RMR] - style
BigBoy Dan Simtech Productions	Posted - 2006.12.01 18:02:00 - [125] Yeh, i highly agree. And does anyone have some new fittings for the Drake? And Other new ships too!! Sig must be less than 24000 bytes with max dimensions 400W x 120H - Cathath
Demora Anglis Amarr The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.02 05:49:00 - [126] Harbinger PVP Setup
Militis Kolosok Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.03 05:52:00 - [127] Edited by: Militis Kolosok on 03/12/2006 05:52:42 [Revelations] Drake Missions/Ratting Setup: Clicky
Jeanpierre Duvall Caldari Spectral Armada Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 14:37:00 - [128] Revelation Badger Mk II - Mid: 4 medium extenders 2 EM amps. Low: Nanos or Cargo Expanders. This setup has 4500 shields and fair resists, almost impossible to suicide in High sec space. And can take a fair amount of sniping in lowsec.
AFTRUNX	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:52:00 - [129] hi, Someone try a fitting for the ROKH? i have try with.... High: 8x 425mm Compressed Coil Guns Med: 1x Large T2 Booster 1x Shield boost amplifier 3x Hardener II (racial, depending the mission) 1x Target Painter II Low: 2x Tracking Stabalizer II 2x PDS II 1x Tracking Enhancer II Dronebay 5x T2 medium drones I'm not sure with the Weapon upgrades... do i fit tracking links or painters? 2 enhancers and 1 Stab? Guggestions from the Turrets specialists..... ^^ 3M SP on missiles not really a lot on Turrets as a Caldari.. but skilling AFTRUNX
Elvarien Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:18:00 - [130] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=437921 trying to get a manticore thread going KALI >---- <3 the manticore

Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:56:00 - [131] Could an ISD repost this -> Link thread and sticky it? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Iteken Hotori Minmatar GTE Corp	Posted - 2006.12.06 17:27:00 - [132] Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 06/12/2006 17:32:41 Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 06/12/2006 17:32:14 Edited by: Iteken Hotori on 06/12/2006 17:31:32 Hurricane - Ratting Hurricane - Mission running Warning: May contain flaming, trolling, swearing, typos, crimes against grammar, obscure reference to old films, in jokes, rambling, ranting and references to EvE.
Zen Takore Gallente Adult Entertainment Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:54:00 - [133] Edited by: Zen Takore on 06/12/2006 23:54:02 Originally by: Iteken Hotori Hurricane - Ratting Hurricane - Mission running Added these to the Revelations thread. ----- Boyakasha!
Zeonos Amarr venus divine brotherhood Dark Forces Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.09 23:09:00 - [134] # Enyo [RMR Setups] . [PvE] . [PvP/PvP] Should be Pve/Pvp as far as i can see in the post. My sig got Nerfed by - Hutch
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.11 12:46:00 - [135] Mael PVP ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Kaynard Stormwalker Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:01:00 - [136] Just me or ashimmu is gone ?
Jen Yon	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:32:00 - [137] armageddon setup for pve Linkage
LoKesh Amarr InQuest Ascension Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:57:00 - [138] Harbinger PvP - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=435654 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=435186 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=440376
Wadaiko Gallente MisFunk Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.20 11:48:00 - [139] Rokh PVE/Salvager Setup _________________________
Mirta Jamie	Posted - 2006.12.29 20:51:00 - [140] Well, gotta give the Drake some lovin'... Highs: 7 X-3200 Heavies 1 Med E50 Nos Meds: 1 Y-TB MWD 1 20km Scram 1 Named Med Cap Booster 1 T2 Med Shield Booster 1 Annointed EM Hardener 1 V-M15 Hardener Lows: 3 PDS II 1 BCU II ORRRR... Switch the 7 Heavies for 7 X-2800 Heavy Assaults and the Med Nos for a gang warfare mod... Wish I had the SP to mount t2 hardeners! Anyways...thoughts? Suggestions?

Black Sabbath Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.01.07 09:25:00 - [141] any good nightmare setup for PvE and PVP around?
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.10 16:08:00 - [142] Just out of curiosity why is this thread still stickied while the newer revelations thread is unstickied. I realize it's linked at the top of the post but I would think this situation would be reversed (ie old thread linked in new stickied post).
starbuck1979	Posted - 2007.01.12 12:02:00 - [143] Hi all, Im looking for a Hyperion setup for both blasters and rails. I can use Lrg Tech II Rails and I am trying to find a setup that can snipe well with 8 x 425mm II's & when i get the skill for Lrg Blaster II's. Any ideas please? Star
starbuck1979	Posted - 2007.01.12 12:30:00 - [144] NM last post i saw the link to the new pages AFTER i posted.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.01.14 01:08:00 - [145] PVE for the drake http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=459640 What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.01.15 08:47:00 - [146] [Rev]Blaster Myrmidon
18 Rabbit	Posted - 2007.01.22 20:18:00 - [147] Harbinger PvE? Maybe High: Heavy Pulse x5, Focused Medium Pulse x2, medium nos Mid: 10mn ab, medium cap booster, ecm burst, cap recharger Low: MAR II, DC1, EANM 1 x2, Heat sink, tracking enhancer The ecm burst is for busting warp scramblers in mission, but maybe not an issue in missions a harbinger can run anyway? Maybe ditch the AB? Don't need both cap recharger and cap booster?
Cavtrooper Hades Ascent	Posted - 2007.02.04 20:14:00 - [148] Great topic... Jump Clone Service Now Available!
Atrox Exsecror	Posted - 2007.02.08 03:06:00 - [149] retribution revelation set ups pls add this on your list
Neo Providence	Posted - 2007.02.08 16:44:00 - [150] sup. their is a problem with the link [Hurricane - Mission Running] it just direct u to a bid auction of a high lvl char.


Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.08 19:56:00 - [151] Originally by: Neo Providence sup. their is a problem with the link [Hurricane - Mission Running] Thank you, fixed the link, it point to the correct thread now. forum rules \| [email protected]

Ren Tales Null Horizon	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:13:00 - [152] Edited by: Ren Tales on 16/02/2007 11:10:45 would like to request an add for my velator fitting thread: Linkage ----
xenodia Gallente RONA Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.16 23:06:00 - [153] Someone locked the thanatos sticky. Apparently not realizing it was the one linked in the sticky, making a comment about someone necroing old threads. Someone might want to fix that. Makes it look like the mods have no clue what they are doing. This signature space for rent
M00dy Stain of Mind DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2007.02.22 23:47:00 - [154] Claymore Setups (Rev) HAXORZ TO THE MAXORZ BABY, YEAH!!!
Infectious Disease	Posted - 2007.02.26 07:34:00 - [155] Neat
Katrina Coreli Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.05 17:51:00 - [156] [Rev]Range Ishkur
Pax Deora	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:29:00 - [157] just posting a myrmidon fitting for miner support, Myrmidon Miner Support
Rajetta	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:30:00 - [158] Anybody got a good fleet tempest setup?
BCBArclight Odessa Operations Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.08 11:59:00 - [159] My Revelation Setup Thread.
RevolutionCure	Posted - 2007.03.08 12:49:00 - [160] hey i was wondering if i could get a mackinaw tank set up? and a good covetor set up. E-mail it to me at [email protected]

Beaty Swollocks	Posted - 2007.03.10 18:25:00 - [161] Please add this Hulk Set up
Major Stuart Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.03.10 20:34:00 - [162] Edited by: Major Stuart on 10/03/2007 20:30:53 Hurricane PvP setups. just started it as there isnt any pvp thread already That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter. It is a combat drone used by carriers.
Tiberyya Za Gallente Bellum Aeternus The Makhai	Posted - 2007.03.11 01:03:00 - [163] Scythe
Kim Brennan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.11 01:17:00 - [164] Minmatar Transport Ship: Prowler for lowsec
Tiberyya Za Gallente Bellum Aeternus The Makhai	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:13:00 - [165] Crucifier (Tackler / Fleet EWAR) - Revelations
Tiberyya Za Gallente Bellum Aeternus The Makhai	Posted - 2007.03.11 03:45:00 - [166] Scythe (Ratting / Mining / Fleet PvP) - Revelations
Tiberyya Za Gallente Bellum Aeternus The Makhai	Posted - 2007.03.11 05:52:00 - [167] New Character Mining Frigates - Revelations
El Torrent Gallente Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.03.11 09:04:00 - [168] Discussion of Single Repairer Hyperion PvP Setups -- Paxton Industries Recruiting.
space fox Induseng Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.11 09:49:00 - [169] I'm seeing one of the curse links as broken...
Stella Ranger	Posted - 2007.03.11 12:54:00 - [170] ehem... Stella Ranger


Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.12 14:44:00 - [171] Link fixed, thank you for reporting it. Added more setups. forum rules \| [email protected]

Janos Zebratul	Posted - 2007.03.12 20:53:00 - [172] Hurricane PvP not very big atm, but there's like 4 or 5 of them running so i'd thought we should sticky one up ___________________ we have explosive.
Trisae	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:22:00 - [173] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=489561 [REV] Taranis
Fluffernator	Posted - 2007.03.19 04:50:00 - [174] harpy pvp, please add it :) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=493332 dont know how to link :(
Half Dead Minmatar The Dark Wheel	Posted - 2007.03.23 23:33:00 - [175] OK, first off, AC's are deffinatly the way to go, even if you do find your self AB'in for most of the mission, it makes the mission a bit more interesting too. Highs: 6 X 425mm II's. 1 X Medium Dimminishing Nos. 1 X Drone Link Augmentor, or a Tractor Beam, or Salvager, that one is optional. Meds: 1 X 10MN After Burner II. 1 X Named Webifier. 1 X Cap Recharger II. 1 X Target Painter (for frig's) or a Medium Capacitor Booster II, again, optional. Lows: 1 X MAR II. 1 X Damage Control Unit II (better than an EANM II). 1 X Gyrostabalizer II or if you want a better tank, fit an EANM II :P. 3 X Mission dependant active armor hardners. Oh, and Rigs dont hurt, I put a Projectile Burst Aerator Rig on and I get a 3.05 ROF (with Battlecruiser and Rapid Firing at level 4). tis a pukka ship
Calypso Deimos	Posted - 2007.03.25 13:27:00 - [176] These guides are awesome, I'd like to thank everyone for all the hard work. I picked up a few new ideas. Although I'd like to add my Arbitrator set up to this thread as I've been useing Arbi's since 04. I think it's the sexiest ship in EVE. High slots : Malkuth heavy missle luancher, (w) widow maker heavy missles. x2 Heavy modulated pulse lasers, and x1 Med NOS. Medium slots: 10mn after burnner, Med Sheild Booster, Traking Distrupor, and sheild sheild boost amplifier. Low slots: X2 cap rely, Power diag, and reactor control unit. Tactics are strair forward. Deploy drones emidiatly so confuse enemies, or hold them until youv been locked so they dont get targeted, approach target with after burner and NOS them when in rage, and then open up with the laers useing gamma crystals. And don't worry if youo get poped because the set up is pretty cheap.....unless you use sheild enforcing rigs wich I highly recommend. Slaute!
Heriom	Posted - 2007.04.04 12:52:00 - [177] can someone please post a ship set-up for the EOS.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 06:57:00 - [178] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=504900 Add that to Faction BS list under Vindicator God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:15:00 - [179] Updated. If you want a setup added for a ship not on the list. Start a post and then repost the link in here and I'll make sure it gets added. I watch this thread everyday for updates. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Master Akira Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.13 04:24:00 - [180] A cheap Salvage Cormorant setup, with setups for other ships as well.

madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.16 22:18:00 - [181] Moros setups _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Dragy Caldari Soban Allied Rebellion DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2007.04.19 07:45:00 - [182] Bhaalgorn setup
Gol'D Roger Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.22 20:21:00 - [183] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=509944 vexor navy issue ............................................. Tis is my forum alt. My acc are not running simultaneous. My charas are Hitokiri 'ger and skiganon
Kellyl Free Traders Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.29 20:39:00 - [184] Originally by: Jorauk [][violent]Navy Vexor[/violet]* [Navy Vexor Setups][] [/list] Someone messed up his colour tags :). Originally by:* HippoKing pretty much all caldari ships ming something terrible
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.04 18:07:00 - [185] Rattlesnake Level 4 Mission Setups: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=514235
General Coochie Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.10 20:56:00 - [186] Edited by: General Coochie on 10/05/2007 20:52:31 Celestis PvP - Revelations http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=443298
Han Zei	Posted - 2007.05.18 20:44:00 - [187] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=521399 Ashimmu PvP set ups
velmistr Ecco Caldari InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.19 22:25:00 - [188] Raven PVP
El Torrent Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.20 12:04:00 - [189] Neutron Thron -- Carrier sales
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.05.22 18:24:00 - [190] Buzzard Setups//talk Buzzard link could do with being added as none in your current links. Thanks \o/. Originally by: Farscape Hw,GoonSwarm* Member* im not a goon Evolution

Agalantiri Caldari Deadworlds Infrastructure Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.23 13:13:00 - [191] Buzzard setups: Rev. Buzzard [REV]
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.06.08 01:05:00 - [192] Stabber Fleet Issue
Iva Soreass FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.06.27 12:37:00 - [193] Can you add this please, as there is no Sniperthron links, just loadsa talk in blasterthron threads. So think it deserves its own linkage ;) SniperThron Thanks \o/. I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*(
Chi Quan Jade Phoenix Deutschland Event-Horizon	Posted - 2007.07.04 19:14:00 - [194] it seems noone had anything against this Eris setup: Linkage -- Tempus fugit --
Atrox Exsecror White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2007.07.12 22:13:00 - [195] pls add this to the Damnation set ups damnation revelation set ups thx
dEMilE X	Posted - 2007.07.19 21:55:00 - [196] solid
RFwills Warp Riders Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 08:10:00 - [197] Please add my navy issue apocolypse setup to your directory. Thanks _______________________________________________ Heres something, If almost every single hi sec system had gates with awaiting suicide gangs, would you play eve? Theres only one real answer to that
Max Essen	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:57:00 - [198] Edited by: Max Essen on 27/07/2007 19:59:04 Edited by: Max Essen on 27/07/2007 19:58:45 Could you add the Iteron Class Industrials as I have some set-up that might be of use or might spark some conversation. Thanks in advance, Max Oops ... just read the instructions for posting new class ... please delete so I don't look quite so silly!


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