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Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:07:00 - [1] i was bored , nothing to do, i begin to look at the map and i think, what if i try to travel directly to the deeper deeper 0.0 system ? i click autopilot, to ascn territory,they seems to have a nice station and i wanna see it ) 54 jumps to do. Im now at 37 jumps and i begin to see corpses near gates. One corpse, and the other gate 3 corpse !! At this point, im a little worried, yes it was an alt but i never go to 00 and not even that far, and i dont really want to die, i mean it hurt. But im still optimist, if im lucky enought i might fly the 35 next 0.0 jumps without being BBQed. i jump, screen load and i see my first warp bubble with alot of player around the gate, ok they were 10 but for me it was alot. I dont know how, probably magic, but i warp without any problem and i was really happy. But i didnt have time to watch the bubble, O well ill have to get back there i continu my way with my new " shuttle of Magic ", begin to see other corpses again. I watch local ( was about time ) i see 10 player in system !!! Now im worried because they werent at the gate i come from. I think, maybe they all waiting for my "shuttle of magic". Im near the gate now, they are all around the gate, ISS players. Yes ISS, so i think, yes i can be safe with them. I know they are neutral and pacific so im really happy, they are like the angels of the 0.0 world I try to convo one, but he doesnt take my convo and he target me, o wait a other one target me My "shuttle of magic" try to survive but the "nasty ISS rifter of horror" BBQ my precious. Ok im telling to myself dont worry u can watch and still travel the next 30 jumps in your pod. O wait, no they shoot my pod I reaper in a station, far far away from my body parts that still flotting in space. I convo the ISS guy, asking "hey i want to travel to 0.0 why did you kill me ? " He said "alts are Kos" with not really empathy or sentimentality about the lost of my "shuttle of magic" and close the convo. Ok i admit it, it was my fault, ISS guys did their job, but guess what, i had alot of fun and ill try it again So be prepared ISS , my " shuttle of magic 2 " is comming. One day ill see in my tinny shuttle the great outpost of Ascn, ya one day And if it doesnt work, ill go to bob space
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:11:00 - [2] I wanna try this one day too just for the hell of it. find a system as far from the core systems as possible... and head to it :) Before posting that you can't connect, look HERE and see if the server is up.
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:19:00 - [3] actually im thinking of making a contest, Fly directly in a shuttle to the most dangerous place, deep deep 0.0, get to a station of the alliance that own the system, jettison, name container with your name, screenshot and win 1 million. O well im not rich enough to do that, and i need to find a corp with my main loll, but its a nice idea. You imagine the face of ascn or bob seeing tons of tiny shuttle newbi pilot invading their space
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:24:00 - [4] Or a big alliance plz make a contest, give some million to the guy in shuttle that reach the deeper of your territory without being killed. could be nice and maybe bring you some recruits
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Artilleur Mi actually im thinking of making a contest, Fly directly in a shuttle to the most dangerous place, deep deep 0.0, get to a station of the alliance that own the system, jettison, name container with your name, screenshot and win 1 million. O well im not rich enough to do that, and i need to find a corp with my main loll, but its a nice idea. You imagine the face of ascn or bob seeing tons of tiny shuttle newbi pilot invading their space I think we should get a gang together of 30 ships (mixed fleet of cheap ships) and travel into 0.0 and hunt everything we see. You will have to be in a npc corp though to avoid consequences for your corporation. If enough people think this would be fun, i could organize something during the weekend if you want. --- The Eve Wiki Project
LING PO	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:38:00 - [6] Yes, this idea seems fun, like trying to group 20 shuttles all together jumping to 0.0 and see wich one will survive at the end
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:40:00 - [7] The idea is to try to not be hostile, just the fun of being able to say " hey guys guess what, i fly to bob territory , took a screenshot, and get back " Catch me if u can :P
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Artilleur Mi The idea is to try to not be hostile, just the fun of being able to say " hey guys guess what, i fly to bob territory , took a screenshot, and get back " Catch me if u can :P I dont think they will care at all if shuttles make it through or not. If we kill a few ships, they will care. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:49:00 - [9] its psychological, i mean if you protect a system and see right in your face 20 shuttle pass your higly protected gang gates, then you will want to hunt them. omg i think i need to stop drinking
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.05 08:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Artilleur Mi its psychological, i mean if you protect a system and see right in your face 20 shuttle pass your higly protected gang gates, then you will want to hunt them. omg i think i need to stop drinking Or not. Well, you can try i guess... no harm in it. Let me know how it goes. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Myz Toyou	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:14:00 - [11] Gimme a convo when you outside the Love Shack trying to dock , I will soon undock and show you our collection of Exotic Dancers !
subvert	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:27:00 - [12] How does ISS define alt?? A lot of people who want to go to 0.0 are in the npc corp but still play a lot and arent alts. its sort of a catch 22, because ISS station is there and "neutral", but if you want to use the ISS station and not be an "alt" then you have to join that huge alliance, AND if you join the huge alliance then you dont need the station. i hope just newbie corp doesnt make iss think its an alt, I hope they at least check agent npc standing to see that only a main to do so many missions and be so old a character
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:40:00 - [13] Originally by: subvert i hope just newbie corp doesnt make iss think its an alt... They don't really have a choice. My "alt" is three years old, but she's still a complete newbie and serves no purpose other than to do things I don't want my name putting to. (Which means auctioning stuff. Not spying on ASCN ) If you're in a NPC starter corp, they MUST assume the worst. Otherwise, they'll be letting through way too many spies. There's just no way to tell between the spy-alts and the neutrals; you either kill them all, or your alliance will go phut. Every alliance that ever allowed NPC-starter-corp members into its space, HAS gone phut. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Dekiri	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:41:00 - [14] Originally by: subvert How does ISS define alt?? A lot of people who want to go to 0.0 are in the npc corp but still play a lot and arent alts. its sort of a catch 22, because ISS station is there and "neutral", but if you want to use the ISS station and not be an "alt" then you have to join that huge alliance, AND if you join the huge alliance then you dont need the station. i hope just newbie corp doesnt make iss think its an alt, I hope they at least check agent npc standing to see that only a main to do so many missions and be so old a character They have basically no choice. As far as i know everyone who is in an NPC corp is KOS to ISS for security reasons. Usually ISS are not shooting neutrals, since they could just set their corps to hostile if people misbehave. There is no other way for ISS to be "safe" of griefers and wannabe pirates within their space other then excluding npc corps from the neutral status. So i am afraid you will be target as long as you are not in a player corp. ---------------------------------------- I am not an alt i am just young!(and hot)
subvert	Posted - 2006.05.05 09:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: subvert i hope just newbie corp doesnt make iss think its an alt... They don't really have a choice. My "alt" is three years old, but she's still a complete newbie and serves no purpose other than to do things I don't want my name putting to. (Which means auctioning stuff. Not spying on ASCN ) If you're in a NPC starter corp, they MUST assume the worst. Otherwise, they'll be letting through way too many spies. There's just no way to tell between the spy-alts and the neutrals; you either kill them all, or your alliance will go phut. Every alliance that ever allowed NPC-starter-corp members into its space, HAS gone phut. whyy? its easy to put any alt into a corp, there are tons of corps mass recruiting newbies. an alt isnt going to have level 3 and 4 agents and be driving a real ship its there choice if they blow up a kind intaki im so neutral that paint drying is more of a conflict than i am
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:18:00 - [16] I did this back when Stain Alliance and Curse Alliance were in their prime around 2 years ago. I did it in a Stabber with an mwd, ran the blockades since I didnt have instas...lol. I got through two Stain blockades and a Curse Blockade on ActiveX's Incredible Journey to 0.0. Never even got into armor...I had expected to lose that ship, but I didn't, made the whole 231 jump trip (I was exploring) 100% intact...and had some salvaged loot too. I also met JQA and setup diplomatic relations. It was a fun trip ~Shadowlord Don't miss your chance to buy Sobe
Volatar	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:32:00 - [17] Edited by: Volatar on 05/05/2006 10:32:31 heh, you little people in shuttles make life interesting out here i might mention that you cant dock with the player controlled stations, but you can look, some of em look real cool hehe Crrently training: Nerd Lvl
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:35:00 - [18] I think what that ISS guy did was an ISS charter violation. Neutral people are NOT KOS (Kill On Sight) to the ISS. The ISS has very stict guidelines on when you can engage other players in combat and in order to maintain neutrality and for the civillian use of the outposts to remain in tact, one of those guidelines is that we don't attack except in self-defence or in protection of our assets. Here is a quote from the ISS charter: Quote: Combat and war - Spaceships of ISS member corporations may only engage when: -- The ISS alliance has set negative standings to the corporation in question -- An ISS pilot is targeted, are under direct threat or their assets under threat - During times of empire war any ISS member corporation can put their membership on hold for up to one month without having to repay joining fees. - ISS Navy Task Force will assist your corporation to help resolve siege situations of static ISS property, notably starbases and outposts. Notice that this completely excludes the idea that alts are kill on sight. If you're sure it was the ISS, perhaps you should report it. I have to put up with all kinds of neutrals in my space and the rules are there for a reason. Half those neutrals are friends or alts of local superpowers and we do not want to cause a diplomatic incident. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Brem Watson	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:47:00 - [19] Edited by: Brem Watson on 05/05/2006 10:49:20 I would report it. On the other hand, I did exactly what you did in a condor. One time I made it thru 10 0.0 systems before getting clocked but then again, I didn't even try to run and let them pod me to get back to my base. Shuttles IMO are badass for running. I was able to out run a pirate in a 0.3 system while being shot at. There's little delay in the warp initiation on shuttles and that's why I like them for low sec. Next time you head out just keep creating safe spots and keep warping to them. They won't catch you unless you try to jump with someone there waiting.
Teis	Posted - 2006.05.05 10:55:00 - [20] Originally by: LING PO Yes, this idea seems fun, like trying to group 20 shuttles all together jumping to 0.0 and see wich one will survive at the end Pod Race anyone ?
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.05.05 11:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Nyphur ... Aren't NPC corp ppl kos to you? A dirty job - Released 2006.01.02
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Nyphur I think what that ISS guy did was an ISS charter violation. Neutral people are NOT KOS (Kill On Sight) to the ISS. The ISS has very stict guidelines on when you can engage other players in combat and in order to maintain neutrality and for the civillian use of the outposts to remain in tact, one of those guidelines is that we don't attack except in self-defence or in protection of our assets. Here is a quote from the ISS charter: Quote: Combat and war - Spaceships of ISS member corporations may only engage when: -- The ISS alliance has set negative standings to the corporation in question -- An ISS pilot is targeted, are under direct threat or their assets under threat - During times of empire war any ISS member corporation can put their membership on hold for up to one month without having to repay joining fees. - ISS Navy Task Force will assist your corporation to help resolve siege situations of static ISS property, notably starbases and outposts. Notice that this completely excludes the idea that alts are kill on sight. If you're sure it was the ISS, perhaps you should report it. I have to put up with all kinds of neutrals in my space and the rules are there for a reason. Half those neutrals are friends or alts of local superpowers and we do not want to cause a diplomatic incident. Wrong has already been discussed on the ISS forums and they shoot anyone that isnt apart of a corp in there policy .. Dont make me take out qoutes
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:21:00 - [23] Edited by: Nyphur on 05/05/2006 12:22:26 Originally by: Valkazm Wrong has already been discussed on the ISS forums and they shoot anyone that isnt apart of a corp in there policy .. Dont make me take out qoutes Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Nyphur ... Aren't NPC corp ppl kos to you? Weird, I assumed "neutral" meant "neutral", not "neutral and not part of an NPC corp". So if this guy joins a random corp, he's allowed through but he's not allowed through in an NPC corp? That sounds decidedly stupid. Far be it from me to argue with management. If that's the rule, that's the rule. I personally wouldn't pop a shuttle, NPC corp or not. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:25:00 - [24] Policy was made beacuse they think there spies or rather assume then being spies rather then taking the chance ..
Odarin	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Nyphur So if this guy joins a random corp, he's allowed through but he's not allowed through in an NPC corp? That sounds decidedly stupid. Far be it from me to argue with management. If that's the rule, that's the rule. I personally wouldn't pop a shuttle, NPC corp or not. Why are you even discussing this here? Being a director one would expect you to know where to bring this up at. Its been discussed several times with the same answer each time. -Oda Sig removed, please keep it below 24000 bytes, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Odarin Originally by: Nyphur So if this guy joins a random corp, he's allowed through but he's not allowed through in an NPC corp? That sounds decidedly stupid. Far be it from me to argue with management. If that's the rule, that's the rule. I personally wouldn't pop a shuttle, NPC corp or not. Why are you even discussing this here? Being a director one would expect you to know where to bring this up at. Its been discussed several times with the same answer each time. -Oda Maybe he thinks that ISS policy decisions should be publicised for the sake of honesty and openness? I seem to recall someone else walking out on ISS because of exactly that problem. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.05 12:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Odarin Why are you even discussing this here? Because it's relevant to the topic at hand? Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Gaul Cascade	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:13:00 - [28] Yea Nyphur. There is no way that ISS shoot neutral corps, it's one of the founding principles. However, members of NPC corps, specifically, members of "schooling" corps, like Imperial Academy, University of Caille, etc, etc, are the exception to this rule. NPC corps where you get dumped in after leaving a player-corp, like Aliastra or The Scope, are not KoS. Why has has been explained already. That the system is easily bypassed by just joining any neutral corp is just a disadvantage we'll just have to "suffer". Nothing personal, just a security measurement. Besides, all local alliances seem to adopt this policy, even CC. And yes, we also shoot corporations that are on our Kill on Sight list - corporations that, in the past, have caused damage to ISS property. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Cascade ááááááááiss NAVY
Valkazm	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:16:00 - [29] /me walks of proud knowing more then an ISS director
dodge2005	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Artilleur Mi actually im thinking of making a contest, Fly directly in a shuttle to the most dangerous place, So thats pf-346 or ec-8pr?
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.05.05 13:37:00 - [31] If you want to not be killed in fluffy ISS happy land, get your character to join a corp. If you want to see a player-built station (we call them outposts), the ISS ones are your best bet. We don't kill neutral corps, you can dock up and use our station facilities, and even call the place home if you wish. We in ISSN will even do our best to protect you from pirates when you are in the system. ASCN outposts won't even allow you to dock. See you in KDF-GY :) ------------------ www.eve-iss.com
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:09:00 - [32] ahh yes the great hate for starter corps because everyone is a spy, new players dont exist in EVE.
Gaul Cascade	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:23:00 - [33] Edited by: Gaul Cascade on 05/05/2006 14:23:11 What business do 3 day old new players have in 0.0 anyway? They can not break the tank of the NPCs, thus they can not NPC or mine. Then what? Trade? Not going to move around much with a frigate. Not to mention the ability to defend themselves against a pirate. Nothing against new players. Let them hang around in a schooling corp so that they can learn what the game is about. After that, they can join a player-run corporation, which should let them experience much more of the game. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Cascade ááááááááiss NAVY
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:32:00 - [34] 2006.05.05. 07:19 Victim : Artilleur Mi Alliance : None Corp : Republic Military School Destroyed : gallente shuttle System : Jamanda Security : 0.0 Involved parties : Name : Valtron (laid final blow) Security : 4.7 Alliance : Interstellar Starbase syndicate Corp : White nova Industries Ship : Thorax Weapons : 280 mm 'scout' Artillery 1 Name : Soul3t Security : 3.6 Alliance : Interstellar Starbase syndicate Corp : White nova industries Ship : Blackbird Weapons : Havoc Heavy Missile Name : Arneale Security : 4.8 Alliance : Interstellar Starbase syndicate corp : White nova industries Ship : Rifter Weapons : Rifter Name : Hube Security : 5.0 Alliance : Interstellar Starbase syndicate Corp : White nova industries Ship : Rifter Weapons : Rifter Same parties pod kill me some secondes after that, but to much long to write again. If you need the killmail i can sent to you. Yes it was my fault, yes im in corps npc, both my main and my alt, doenst make me a ebil pirates. But i understand they kill what is needed to protect their home. You know when i saw ISS guys in space, my first thought it was 'yes i know im in security with this group' but apparently not. Anyway ill be right back , but not on weekend, to much suicidal or might go anyway
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:33:00 - [35] "What business do 3 day old new players have in 0.0 anyway?" curiosity
Gaul Cascade	Posted - 2006.05.05 14:37:00 - [36] Good to be curious - and hey, we don't shoot you outside of systems with ISS sovereignity. Besides, if you keep on the move, there's no way we can catch a shuttle, unless there's a bubble involved. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Cascade ááááááááiss NAVY
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:08:00 - [37] i didnt have instajumps or bookmark, fly with autopilot and they got me when i approch gate to jump.
Hardin	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:16:00 - [38] If you want to go sightseeing in EVE without getting podded then there is nothing better than an Executioner with two internal nanofibres and an MWD. It starts warping before it even uncloaks and on the other end MWD will push it up over 5000m/s in the dash for the gate. It's pretty much uncatchable... --------------------------------- Smiting pirates and terrorists since Sept 2003
Alekto Erinys	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:25:00 - [39] Alright, I may be missing something here, but I really don't understand this entire paranoia about "spys and alts." I mean, what kind of damage can a noob alt do in 0.0? Many times I've sent a noob alt of mine to explore, and see what's out there in 0.0. Not trying to argue, just asking for some examples.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.05.05 15:33:00 - [40] Originally by: Hardin If you want to go sightseeing in EVE without getting podded then there is nothing better than an Executioner with two internal nanofibres and an MWD. It starts warping before it even uncloaks and on the other end MWD will push it up over 5000m/s in the dash for the gate. It's pretty much uncatchable... 3000 to 4000. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Pika Eadesso	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:12:00 - [41] I'm currently waayy up in empire so didn't see this, but I was keping an eye on Allaince chat all night and today. Every few mins there was something about gate camps and who likes who, so I assume there was fighting going on somewhere. Maybe you just picked the wrong gate to jump through and ISS pilots got spooked after fighting? I can see why they would have fired if there was indeed fighting there, but if not you might wanna check this out. Also posting kill mails is bad I belive. You have to omit certain names.
James Don	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Alekto Erinys Alright, I may be missing something here, but I really don't understand this entire paranoia about "spys and alts." I mean, what kind of damage can a noob alt do in 0.0? Many times I've sent a noob alt of mine to explore, and see what's out there in 0.0. Not trying to argue, just asking for some examples. Actually a hell of alot, what ppl do is send a new player (spy/alt) out to a system, they will then spend a few days getting intel on the names / ships ppl fly so they know who is where and flys what, they then bring a fleet to counter it. Option 2 is to fly said new player into the fleet to grab intel on what ships are there and when they destroy them what weapons they used. So in reality can a noob in a shuttle cause physical damage? no, it can do much much worse. -------------------------------------------- notify : Your cloaking systems are unable to activate due to your ship being within 2000 meters of the nearby Snowballs.
Beringe	Posted - 2006.05.05 16:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Alekto Erinys Alright, I may be missing something here, but I really don't understand this entire paranoia about "spys and alts." I mean, what kind of damage can a noob alt do in 0.0? Many times I've sent a noob alt of mine to explore, and see what's out there in 0.0. Not trying to argue, just asking for some examples. Everyone uses noob alts to explore/scout. That's sort of the point. The only thing you know about noob alts in a friendly system is that they don't belong to a friendly corporation. ISS doesn't even shoot at neutrals, so someone in a neutral corp scouting out their systems would be left alone (presumably)! Therefore, the only logical conclusion they can make about noob alts is that they are hostile. Besides, it's better to be safe than sorry in these matters. Also, shooting down a noob alt in a shuttle will hurt noone financially, so you might say that it is a victimless crime. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 20:00:00 - [44] Now be ready , im coming back in 10 min :) destination : Zs-2lt woot woot :) Great ascn station , here i come
Karth Onassi	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:51:00 - [45] The 30 ship travelling together into 0.0 sounds interesting! It reminds me of the Angry Farmer/Lumberjack raids we had in UO. A whole bunch of brand new alt chars dressed up like the theme of the night running around trying to kill higher lvl things. Ah the good 'ol days...
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 21:57:00 - [46] i Did it 37 jumps into dangerous 0.0 and i enter with my "shuttle of magic 2 " in ascn space and took a look at the station. (look pretty cool) Got rapidly warp scramble by ascn members, but they talk to me before bbq my precious ship. They are nice :) Didnt have time to go to see a 0.0 belt, but i saw all those ebil pirates npc that patrol stargates my corpse still floting in front of station, proof of my little accomplishment loll. o well, any other dangerous place i can fly too ?
Volatar	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Artilleur Mi i Did it 37 jumps into dangerous 0.0 and i enter with my "shuttle of magic 2 " in ascn space and took a look at the station. (look pretty cool) Got rapidly warp scramble by ascn members, but they talk to me before bbq my precious ship. They are nice :) Didnt have time to go to see a 0.0 belt, but i saw all those ebil pirates npc that patrol stargates my corpse still floting in front of station, proof of my little accomplishment loll. o well, any other dangerous place i can fly too ? what system was it mgith i ask, i want your corpse hehe Crrently training: Nerd Lvl
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:16:00 - [48] right in front of dragonfly station :) Zs-2Lt
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:17:00 - [49] They didnt let me the time to put some graphic letter on the wall of the station
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.06 04:30:00 - [50] Stuck an alt in a shuttle awhile back ad he AFK auto piloted some 30 or so jumps into tenal. started heading back to empire and ended up asking someone who was ratting to pod me. Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.05.06 04:53:00 - [51] a mass shuttle run would be funny if you got like 300 people. imagine the look on the smartbombless guards when 300 shuttles arrive.
Sergeant Spot	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:51:00 - [52] Anything not CONFIRMED friendly MUST be assumed hostile. It is the job of the perosn that is weaker to "prove" he is not hostile. nature of the game in 0.0.
Jon Xylur	Posted - 2006.05.06 09:34:00 - [53] We had a conversation about shooting alts in the ISS alliance chat yesterday, and nobody really seemed to know whether or not shoot them. Usually, if a 1 day old player in a shuttle shows up and starts flying around an outpost, it's a spy alt. Many people shoot all 1 day old players in shuttles cause they will probably be spy alts. Some even want to shoot older NPC corp players. Generally, I would not enetr any alliance space if I'm a new player in the NPC corp. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Jowen Datloran	Posted - 2006.05.06 18:55:00 - [54] I'm glad it got clear that I should not try to transport a Mastodont filled with cruise missiles and spike ammo to the ISS stations because I'll most likely get shot down by the people I were trying to supply. Seems like another alliance have fallen to the guide lines of the "hot heads" and the so called "promotion of 0.0 to everybody" were no more than fancy words. ---------------- Main as main can be.
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.05.06 19:20:00 - [55] Quote: -- An ISS pilot is targeted, are under direct threat or their assets under threat How do you not do that if they target you? Your ship targets back... ________________________________________________ \_/ <-- My care cup, LOOK it's empty!
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.05.06 19:41:00 - [56] Most alliances operate off a NBSI policy, or "Not blue? Shoot it" with only a couple of exceptions. For the most part this is a necessity of living in 0.0. There are a large amount of newbie NPC corp characters in 0.0, and the vast majority of them are scout alts collecting info to be used against you.
Acheron Cyc	Posted - 2006.05.06 20:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Gaul Cascade Edited by: Gaul Cascade on 05/05/2006 14:23:11 What business do 3 day old new players have in 0.0 anyway? They can not break the tank of the NPCs, thus they can not NPC or mine. Then what? Trade? Not going to move around much with a frigate. Not to mention the ability to defend themselves against a pirate. Nothing against new players. Let them hang around in a schooling corp so that they can learn what the game is about. After that, they can join a player-run corporation, which should let them experience much more of the game. What if the char is a few months old or even a year and still in the noobcorp and decides to go to 0.0 just for kicks, would he be shot to even if it a year old? ------------------------------------------ "To do something right it must be done twice. The first time instructs the second." Simon Bolivar.
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.05.06 20:18:00 - [58] Originally by: Acheron Cyc Originally by: Gaul Cascade Edited by: Gaul Cascade on 05/05/2006 14:23:11 What business do 3 day old new players have in 0.0 anyway? They can not break the tank of the NPCs, thus they can not NPC or mine. Then what? Trade? Not going to move around much with a frigate. Not to mention the ability to defend themselves against a pirate. Nothing against new players. Let them hang around in a schooling corp so that they can learn what the game is about. After that, they can join a player-run corporation, which should let them experience much more of the game. What if the char is a few months old or even a year and still in the noobcorp and decides to go to 0.0 just for kicks, would he be shot to even if it a year old? A number of people are lazy and dont recycle and create a new character for scouting since it would mean copying bookmarks. Months old players in newbie corps are far from being unlikely scouts.
Artilleur Mi	Posted - 2006.05.07 09:32:00 - [59] yes i finally join a big alliance with my main. But i have to contain myself now, dont want to create diplomatic incidents and be shoot again by my new alliance

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