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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:45:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Yim Sei wrote:I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica. Lul. Implying those aren't alts set to discredit the opposition from within. Did you just out yourself? You're one of the people he's talking about, you're nothing more than a shill for Ripards anti everything agenda. I consider him more pro-pansification than anti anything...
Would you like to know more? |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17607
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:46:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You can really tell he's trying to put off the "lawyer" vibe, huh?
He did back off for a little while when I mentioned that him having claimed he was a lawyer was a crime, but he's back at it now. TBH he wouldn't be out of place in this little gem from Monty Python.
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Salvos Rhoska
961
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:47:00 -
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Where have I claimed to be a lawyer?
Take your time looking for it. I'll wait :)
You guys are so terrible at this I almost pity you. Almost :) ------------ |

Kyperion
210
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:49:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Can we turn this around as a community? What I feel is fair to say:
- Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
- The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
- Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
- Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.
Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game. However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here. I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die? I have seen no conclusive proof that E1 even received a ban, and CCP would never give such an admission.
Bans are between CCP and the banned person.
All this bitching about who got banned and for what is really rather pointless.
What we "need" to do as a community is apply some common sense boundaries upon our own gameplay.... as in don't do stupid ******* ****, that EVERYONE knows is going too far.
Its pretty ******* simple dude. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
783
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:51:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:Can we turn this around as a community? What I feel is fair to say:
- Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
- The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
- Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
- Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.
Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game. However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here. I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die? Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake. It's just that simple. Whats simpler yet is the 'victim' didn't feel he was tortured, also feels Ripard's crusade did more harm than good, and all the pansy trained seals who ever lost a mackinaw to a ganker (or scammer) chimed in with 400 pages of 'kill the witch!" heresy against HTFU...
What I recommend is for the OP to do what we are doing, shoot a carebear in the face in response...you will feel better than trying to talk the Ripards et al out of their pansy ways. Would you like to know more? |

Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:51:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:Can we turn this around as a community? What I feel is fair to say:
- Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
- The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
- Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
- Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.
Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game. However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here. I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die? Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake. It's just that simple. I appreciate what you say and you're most likely right, I just can't help but feel that a full out ban might not actually be necessary to learn this mistake, Erotica 1 is a pretty reasonable guy after all if you catch him not in his scammer character.
PS can you guys drop the off topic stuff or go on with your usual arguing about whos a lawyer, who isn't and how sick the bonus room really is in the main thread? Point of this is the bonus room is gone and will stay long gone. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4216
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:51:00 -
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Oh look, it's this thread again... The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
783
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:53:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: ... I have seen no conclusive proof that E1 even received a ban, and CCP would never give such an admission.
Bans are between CCP and the banned person. ... Its pretty ******* simple dude.
So is google.
Would you like to know more? |

Kyperion
210
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:55:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Kyperion wrote: ... I have seen no conclusive proof that E1 even received a ban, and CCP would never give such an admission.
Bans are between CCP and the banned person. ... Its pretty ******* simple dude.
So is google. Yes, because your Cyber-LARP roleplay epeen website has credibility... ******* dipshit |

Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.04.01 13:57:00 -
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Some of you guys against this Erotica 1 behaviour are so extremely hostile yourselves.. I'm afraid my faith has no legs to stand on in its current state. |
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Anomaly One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:04:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Obvious tactic.
If you can't beat the smarter and more competent opponents, you create your own puppet opponent with an alt, that you can then "beat" for +1 points as well as say stupid things on to discredit opposition with by generalisation.
I've told you before, all you Erotica1 associates really aren't very smart or good at any of this :)
lmao.
Quote: you create your own puppet opponent with an alt
why would we need a puppet opponent when we've got you :)
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk |

Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
269
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:04:00 -
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Can we ban OP for starting another thread about this dead horse?
Don't like what CCP did, take the honourable route...shoot a Jita statue, rage in local like a butt hurt monkey.
But for the love of corn flakes don't start another thread on this. |

hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
205
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:08:00 -
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Mittani got a 30 day ban for asking the eve community to encourage a player to kill himself during a CCP event
Ero. Got banned for making fun of a willing participant..
Lets be fair. Ban mittani for life Pog mo thoin |

Kyperion
211
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:09:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:Can we ban OP for starting another thread about this dead horse?
Don't like what CCP did, take the honourable route...shoot a Jita statue, rage in local like a butt hurt monkey.
But for the love of corn flakes don't start another thread on this. The forum moderators just need to moderate, because all of these threads break forum rules, and CCP needs to reiterate its stance on not discussing individual cases of banning.
Then maybe the little wallflowers complaining about an alleged ban to E1, will give their butthurt time to heal |

Kyperion
211
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:09:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Mittani got a 30 day ban for asking the eve community to encourage a player to kill himself during a CCP event
Ero. Got banned for making fun of a willing participant..
Lets be fair. Ban mittani for life I could go for that |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
783
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:11:00 -
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Kyperion wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Kyperion wrote: ... I have seen no conclusive proof that E1 even received a ban, and CCP would never give such an admission.
Bans are between CCP and the banned person. ... Its pretty ******* simple dude.
So is google. Yes, because your neckbeard Cyber-LARP roleplay epeen website has credibility... ******* dipshit Oh hai there carebear. +1 has been added to the Kill-It-Forward queue for your heresy.
p.s. Will you be recompensing those bears whos deaths were caused by heresies like yours? Do show us the true magnanimity of the holier-than-thou witch-hunt bear...(I thought petition-bears and nerf-bears were the lowest, but this recent witch-hunt has you in the running for lowest-of-the-low, surely...) Would you like to know more? |

Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:12:00 -
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Regan Rotineque wrote:Can we ban OP for starting another thread about this dead horse?
Don't like what CCP did, take the honourable route...shoot a Jita statue, rage in local like a butt hurt monkey.
But for the love of corn flakes don't start another thread on this. Yes, honourable route.. your options are much better than trying to have a decent discussion (on a discussion forum none the less) whether a permanent ban should be applied ( forget how the bonus room and your opinions of that it shouldnt be in eve - CCP have spoken it won't, that's not what I'm trying to reach at ).
Hedge betts Shiyurida my point exactly, thank you for understanding. |

Kyperion
211
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:14:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Kyperion wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Kyperion wrote: ... I have seen no conclusive proof that E1 even received a ban, and CCP would never give such an admission.
Bans are between CCP and the banned person. ... Its pretty ******* simple dude.
So is google. Yes, because your neckbeard Cyber-LARP roleplay epeen website has credibility... ******* dipshit Oh hai there carebear. +1 has been added to the Kill-It-Forward queue for your heresy. p.s. Will you be recompensing those bears whos deaths were caused by heresies like yours? Do show us the true magnanimity of the holier-than-thou witch-hunt bear...(I thought petition-bears and nerf-bears were the lowest, but this recent witch-hunt has you in the running for lowest-of-the-low, surely...) 1.) Nerd 2.) Rage
..... Your nerd raging tears are fuel enough for me and you are too busy bitching and crying on the forums to do anything in game |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4301
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:15:00 -
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Kyperion wrote: 1.) Nerd 2.) Rage
..... Your nerd raging tears are fuel enough for me and you are too busy bitching and crying on the forums to do anything in game
Oh, my sides. Kyperion, talking about impotent rage? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1557
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:16:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Ryann Padecain wrote:Can we turn this around as a community? What I feel is fair to say:
- Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
- The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
- Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
- Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.
Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game. However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here. I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die? Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake. It's just that simple. Whats simpler yet is the 'victim' didn't feel he was tortured, also feels Ripard's crusade did more harm than good, and all the pansy trained seals who ever lost a mackinaw to a ganker (or scammer) chimed in with 400 pages of 'kill the witch!" heresy against HTFU... What I recommend is for the OP to do what we are doing, shoot a carebear in the face in response...you will feel better than trying to talk the Ripards et al out of their pansy ways.
It was never about the victim, tbh the victim was an idiot, doesnt mean Ero should get away with it and continue his sociopathic behaviour.
And to those of you saying people need to HTFU and were even suggesting a seperate "hardcore" server -AND- were claiming this was just a witchhunt headed my Ripard Teg: Just like in real life, if you do not fit into the community you will automatically be outcast. Ero didnt adapt and thus got ganked. Guess he needs to HTFU. The meta doesnt get more hardcore than actually getting your enemy banned, so if you "HTFU" people really believe Ripard is the cause behind the ban. you should be praising him rather than calling him out. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
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Motorbit
Moira. Villore Accords
34
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:16:00 -
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maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore) but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important: it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.
of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban. you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool. what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4217
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:21:00 -
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Motorbit wrote:maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore) but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important: it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.
of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban. you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool. what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers.
Wait, what!? Someone who understands how a multi-national business conducts itself?
How the fark is Doc supposed to fill his tear buckets with you going around being all articulate and reasonable like?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
179
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:21:00 -
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[quote=Motorbit] it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.
What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Kyperion
212
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:22:00 -
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Motorbit wrote:maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore) but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important: it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.
of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban. you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool. what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers.
Not to mention, at least Sohkar had the intelligence to know he made a mistake....
There has been no such admission from the whiney bitches complaining about an alleged E1 ban (Which again, WE DO NOT KNOW E1 was banned or for how long)
So this impotent little forum rage attempt from the dickheads in the community is rather quaint. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4217
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:23:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:[quote=Motorbit] it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.
What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?
Maybe you should report him and stop crying about it on an internet forum. be sure to share the results with us. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Kyperion
212
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:24:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?
We don't know who was/wasn't banned.... we will never have conclusive proof... therefore ALL of this 'we should ban X too' is ******* idiotic. |

Ryann Padecain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:24:00 -
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Motorbit wrote:maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore) but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important: it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.
of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban. you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool. what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers. I completely agree, but again defending my case in terms of a permanent ban, it's very mixed messages if a CSM member who actually ridicules another EVE player in real life gets a 30 day ban, and another one gets a permanent ban for something which in my eyes is a lot less worse that happened over a virtual teamspeak server.. where the victim could defend themselves and take choices that would of changed the outcome. How do you feel about that in particular?
Troll Disclaimer: Again I don't actually know if Erotica 1 has a permanent ban, just wondering a man's vision regarding this. |

Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
180
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:28:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Motorbit wrote: it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.
What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too? Maybe you should report him and stop crying about it on an internet forum. be sure to share the results with us.
Why bother reporting it when we all know CCP has heard the recording and is well aware of Sokhar's crimes against the TOS and his fellow player? And I'm merely pointing out an obvious double standard. Are you so ignorant as to think that's "crying" or are you just trying to troll? 
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Kyperion
212
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:28:00 -
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Ryann Padecain wrote:Motorbit wrote:maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore) but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important: it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.
of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban. you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool. what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers. I completely agree, but again defending my case in terms of a permanent ban, it's very mixed messages if a CSM member who actually ridicules another EVE player in real life gets a 30 day ban, and another one gets a permanent ban for something which in my eyes is a lot less worse that happened over a virtual teamspeak server.. where the victim could defend themselves and take choices that would of changed the outcome. How do you feel about that in particular? Troll Disclaimer: Again I don't actually know if Erotica 1 has a permanent ban, just wondering a man's vision regarding this. It's CCP's product, they've made as specific a statement as they are going to make. I.E. we trust the overwhelming majority of players to not do stupid ****. Those that do will be dealt with.
It really is that simple. |

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
784
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Posted - 2014.04.01 14:29:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:[quote=Motorbit] it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.
What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?
Ostensibly because a pansy CSM to take umbrage at Sohkars overt racism has not yet been located? (Or they are too busy patting themselves on the back agreeing with CCP's one-sided ruling...defenders of the sandbox indeed...)
Would you like to know more? |
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