I hope we dont end up with another 400 page thread about whether one player cruelly tormenting another is "bad or not "

Can we turn this around as a community?

What I feel is fair to say:

• Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
• The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
• Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
• Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.

Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game.

However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here.

I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die?

Life is not fair

Where were you ages 0-5?

Nope, ban all scamming.
At the end of the day, every type of scamming and "not nice" behaviour is going to eventually be responsible for giving someone a sad, so why wait for victims to get hurt and then Ripard Teg to kick up a fuss about it. Why not preemptively prevent all future hurt by just banning scamming altogether? They should ban ransoms and unwanted PvP while they are at it, and that way we can be sure that no other person will be hurt.

WE should also think about changing HTFU to CTFU, for Cuddle The Fluff Up! And everyone should be given a free abaddon that has perma-fitted guns which do zero damage and automatically fire rainbow lasers out in random directions whenever you undock.

Hey all, put your troll and angry hats to the side for just a moment, everyone deserves a second chance?

Is it about life being fair, or is it about good business practices? As paying customers I don't think it unreasonable for anyone to expect to receive the very same treatment from the proprietor that any other paying customer would receive. Not everyone is getting equal service and protection for their equal payments.

No. And.

STFU AND GTFO.

Take your own advice, what's done is done, STFU about it and let it drop.

They keep making posts about it, I'll keep posting the mantra.

Because not everyone is equal

Oh, I agree that not everyone is equal, I've often argued that point in rl political discussions. However, when doing business with a company, I think it reasonable to expect that everyone who pays the same price gets the same level and quality of service, or the same product.

And thus the circle of shitposting continues.

Are you one of those people that think scamming etc should be removed from Eve, or are you just pounding the keyboard for the sake of pounding the keyboard?

It's done, over, finished. Erotica has been banned for what I assume is taking things too far. Ripard got his witch hunt and tbh pushing his agenda in the way that he did, without bothering to consult Sokhar makes him as culpable as Erotica for any harm caused.

... and it would be a little sad to see that go ...

It's a difficult line to cross when META gaming is such a big part of EVE, you can't deny this.

All I'm saying is, surely we can find deep in our hearts somewhere to forgive Erotica 1, like said in the OP I truly believe that Erotica 1 would stop the bonus room if CCP requested that to be done, and perhaps even take it down a notch in general.

I hate to create the 10000's thread regarding this, but hey I think he should be allowed to play the game, just like you and me, after all we're all going to disagree with each other but IMO that doesn't mean we should put the banhammer down so quickly, what ever happened to a gentle conversation (out-of-character)?

No.

Please find some rat poison to eat and stop posting.

I'm not pounding the keyboard here. Reality Check Time is coming to EVE. CCP doesn't have to make these calls people. We do. There's a line in the sand that was drawn before any of us ever played this game. People are starting to **** all over that line now and think it's OK.

CCP chose one form of action against one party, and the community have already actioned the appropriate response to the other. Therefore, tis done.

CCP then reiterated where they believed the line to be.

I dont understand why this is still considered an ongoing topic

CCP took the only form of action. The Tear Factory are the ones who keep getting their locked forum posts keeping the ISD's up late at night are the only ones who don't get this.

CCP doesn't have to make these calls people. We do.

Okay angry Timmy Sprinkles, I appreciate what you've said and noted, now I would appreciate it even more if you could leave some space for others to put down their thoughts regarding the subject, 'yes Erotica 1 is wrong but are we really so bitter that we can't allow the poor guy to play again? Without warning?'.

Keep the trolling in your own hypocrite thread that would be great, you've voiced your opinion now.

HTFU has a line in the sand. Cross it and there are consequences.

I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.

Looks like both parties should be congratulated on showing just how low the bar now is in the Eve community when it comes down to Intelligence, respect and maturity.

For the first time in 7 years I am embarrassed to be part of a community which has allowed:

1. To get so emotionally involved in the loss of magic space money.

2. to allow a wormy Politician like Ripard Teg to pass off such a witchhunt

3. CCP for being played by 'the Jester'

4. Everyone for allowing the Meta game to rule and actually get someone banned.

5. Everyone again for not being clever enough to take out grievances IN GAME rather than running to blogs and forums.

Its all pretty pathetic tbh.

I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.

Looks like both parties should be congratulated on showing just how low the bar now is in the Eve community when it comes down to Intelligence, respect and maturity.

For the first time in 7 years I am embarrassed to be part of a community which has allowed:

1. To get so emotionally involved in the loss of magic space money.

2. to allow a wormy Politician like Ripard Teg to pass off such a witchhunt

3. CCP for being played by 'the Jester'

4. Everyone for allowing the Meta game to rule and actually get someone banned.

5. Everyone again for not being clever enough to take out grievances IN GAME rather than running to blogs and forums.

Its all pretty pathetic tbh.

I find it interesting that the followers and proponent of Mr Tegs 'opinion' seem to be far more vocally abusive and insulting than the ones asking for leniency for Erotica.

Lul. Implying those aren't alts set to discredit the opposition from within.

Lul. Implying those aren't alts set to discredit the opposition from within.

Obvious tactic.

If you can't beat the smarter and more competent opponents, you create your own puppet opponent with an alt, that you can then "beat" for +1 points as well as say stupid things on to discredit opposition with by generalisation.

I've told you before, all you Erotica1 associates really aren't very smart or good at any of this :)

Let's be fair... the thread that you wanted to post to is here https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=332912&find=unread

Edit: I don't even understand why these threads are still appearing. If you have anything important to say or to contribute to the subject, you'll do that more effectively in a dedicated thread than in a separate one that can and will be buried in GD.

A few individuals are trying to create the impression of a false groundswell of popular opinion, when infact its just the same butthurt guys as in the original threadnaught throwing all the alts they have at this :)

They are hoping at least one thread will "stick", or prompt a reaction from someone that legitimises their baseless and false premises.

Its all rather transparent and amateurish.

Can we turn this around as a community?

What I feel is fair to say:

• Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
• The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
• Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
• Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.

Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game.

However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here.

I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die?

like the ones involved in the recent witch hunt?

Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.

Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake.

It's just that simple.

What witchhunt?

OOOOH you mean the recent events where CSM confirmed Erotica1 was given due process, and CCP issued a statement with their support?

No witch-hunt there,broski.

Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.

Like the ones involved in the recent witch hunt?

Sounds like something that Ripard Teg did recently, something you wholeheartedly supported.

The difference is there were many different people (from different backgrounds I might add of nullseccers, lowseccers and highsec carebears) who chimed in on the thread sharing their opinions about the subject. It was quiet apparent the majority was in favour of Erotica being banned and/or saying what he did was outright wrong.

Since the Official CCP announcement, it's now the same small group of people set on repeat posting, creating threads shedding tears.

what I was not is one of those that were calling for Eroticas head on a pointy stick, Salvos Rhoska was.

An outright lie.

Nowhere have I called for Erotica1's head on a pointy stick.

Try harder!

Your inner pedant is showing, put it away. It's a figure of speech, not to be taken literally.

Your inner pedant is showing, put it away. It's a figure of speech, not to be taken literally.

Nice thread title, OP.

There are real people in real prisons right now who whine less about their plight.

I was one of those say that what Erotica did was distasteful, what I was not is one of those that were calling for Eroticas head on a pointy stick, Salvos Rhoska was.

He did back off for a little while when I mentioned that him having claimed he was a lawyer was a crime, but he's back at it now.

Did you just out yourself? You're one of the people he's talking about, you're nothing more than a shill for Ripards anti everything agenda.

You can really tell he's trying to put off the "lawyer" vibe, huh?

He did back off for a little while when I mentioned that him having claimed he was a lawyer was a crime, but he's back at it now.

Can we turn this around as a community?

What I feel is fair to say:

• Sokhor does not feel like a victim (come on, let's not go so far to say this is a stockholm syndrome.. seriously)
• The bonus room has been going on for quite awhile before this event.
• Without the attention it has gotten, CCP wouldn't have to fear for bad press and take extreme action.
• Erotica 1 may of gone too far this time.

Scamming spying and all the dirty things are a part of EVE, carebear or not I think we can all agree on that. These things all take part of the meta game as much as they do in the actual game. I feel that if Erotica 1 was actually warned by CCP and/or asked to stop, he would of gladly done so if they felt it was truly bad for the game.

However much you hate Erotica 1 or feel what a sadistic person he is, we all know he is playing the scammer character to some extend and to be honest he represents that part of community fairly well, he is one of the bigger names who represent that side and it would be a little sad to see that go, we all know there is some roleplaying element here.

I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die?

Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake.

It's just that simple.

Lets be REAL....The guy crossed the line he was awarded his punishment and nothing we can do about it but LEARN from his mistake.

It's just that simple.

...
I have seen no conclusive proof that E1 even received a ban, and CCP would never give such an admission.

Bans are between CCP and the banned person.
...
Its pretty ******* simple dude.

So is google.

Obvious tactic.

If you can't beat the smarter and more competent opponents, you create your own puppet opponent with an alt, that you can then "beat" for +1 points as well as say stupid things on to discredit opposition with by generalisation.

I've told you before, all you Erotica1 associates really aren't very smart or good at any of this :)

you create your own puppet opponent with an alt

Can we ban OP for starting another thread about this dead horse?

Don't like what CCP did, take the honourable route...shoot a Jita statue, rage in local like a butt hurt monkey.

But for the love of corn flakes don't start another thread on this.

Mittani got a 30 day ban for asking the eve community to encourage a player to kill himself during a CCP event

Ero. Got banned for making fun of a willing participant..


Lets be fair. Ban mittani for life

Yes, because your neckbeard Cyber-LARP roleplay epeen website has credibility... ******* dipshit

Can we ban OP for starting another thread about this dead horse?

Don't like what CCP did, take the honourable route...shoot a Jita statue, rage in local like a butt hurt monkey.

But for the love of corn flakes don't start another thread on this.

Oh hai there carebear. +1 has been added to the Kill-It-Forward queue for your heresy.

p.s.
Will you be recompensing those bears whos deaths were caused by heresies like yours? Do show us the true magnanimity of the holier-than-thou witch-hunt bear...(I thought petition-bears and nerf-bears were the lowest, but this recent witch-hunt has you in the running for lowest-of-the-low, surely...)

1.) Nerd 2.) Rage

..... Your nerd raging tears are fuel enough for me and you are too busy bitching and crying on the forums to do anything in game

Whats simpler yet is the 'victim' didn't feel he was tortured, also feels Ripard's crusade did more harm than good, and all the pansy trained seals who ever lost a mackinaw to a ganker (or scammer) chimed in with 400 pages of 'kill the witch!" heresy against HTFU...

What I recommend is for the OP to do what we are doing, shoot a carebear in the face in response...you will feel better than trying to talk the Ripards et al out of their pansy ways.

maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore)
but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important:
it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.

of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.
you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool.
what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers.

maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore)
but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important:
it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.

of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.
you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool.
what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers.

[quote=Motorbit] it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.

What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?

What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?

maybe the victim doesnt feel like a victim (anymore)
but this doesnt change a thing. it doesnt change that he was made a victim, but more important:
it doesnt change the fact that some "players" abused the game, and the dedication to the game of some players, as a lever to abuse these players.

of cause ccp can not tolerate this. it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.
you dont even have to disagree with e1, you even can think what happend there was the most funny thing since the last happy-slapping video from a uk trash shool.
what you have to accept is that no company can allow their product to be used as a weapon to abuse their customers.

Maybe you should report him and stop crying about it on an internet forum. be sure to share the results with us.

I completely agree, but again defending my case in terms of a permanent ban, it's very mixed messages if a CSM member who actually ridicules another EVE player in real life gets a 30 day ban, and another one gets a permanent ban for something which in my eyes is a lot less worse that happened over a virtual teamspeak server.. where the victim could defend themselves and take choices that would of changed the outcome. How do you feel about that in particular?

Troll Disclaimer: Again I don't actually know if Erotica 1 has a permanent ban, just wondering a man's vision regarding this.

[quote=Motorbit] it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.

What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?

Why bother reporting it when we all know CCP has heard the recording and is well aware of Sokhar's crimes against the TOS and his fellow player? And I'm merely pointing out an obvious double standard. Are you so ignorant as to think that's "crying" or are you just trying to troll?

ALL of this 'we should ban X too' is ******* idiotic.

Why bother reporting it when we all know CCP has heard the recording and is well aware of Sokhar's crimes against the TOS and his fellow player? And I'm merely pointing out an obvious double standard. Are you so ignorant as to think that's "crying" or are you just trying to troll?

[quote=Motorbit] it strikes me as unbeliveable stupidity that some of you still dont get the reason for the ban.

What strikes me is that people are trapping each other into talking in circles about the wrong issue here, IMO. Sokhar broke the TOS too, in an even worse manner than E1 did. He actually threatened to kill someone irl. That's serious business, and an outright crime where I live. Plus there were his racial slurs, another violation of the TOS. Why hasnt he been banned too?

Unlike suggesting the use of the word "heresy" is related somehow to "radical islamists"

Look up the term "infidel" .....and then go back to basic reading comprehension.

1.) Nerd 2.) Rage

..... Your nerd raging tears are fuel enough for me and you are too busy bitching and crying on the forums to do anything in game

P.S. I love how you have perfectly adopted Radical islamist psychology and justifications to support your gameplay. How does it feel to pretend to be a terrorist?

even if sokhar broke the tos, one has to see that he was made to get into this state of mind for hours.

it also doenst negate the things e1 & co did.

if you want to start another topic to argue if or if not sokhar should be punished for his threads and insults, go ahead.
within a topic about if or if not a ban of e1 is justified, its just off topic.

Look up the term "infidel" .....and then go back to basic reading comprehension.

Look up the term "infidel" .....and then go back to basic reading comprehension.

There is no rage I assure you, it is with a cold quiet smile we detonate other carebears for your heresies (and arguably some high fiving does take place from time to time...)

..but I digress. The point is that despite your pretense at being an advocate for the weak and infirm and bastion for just thinking, you know your very actions are now causing additional carebear deaths. Your hypocrisy is on full display...

Yet you don't stop.

That is the quality of your conscience and consideration of others, wantonly causing their deaths because your pontifications on forums are more important. Laughable, and despicable.

You are your ilk are causing these deaths, we are just GOD's holy instrument. Your heresies against HTFU, our hands, innocents blood, YOUR conscience.

Nothing but quality terrorism here.... Insha'Allah

F

Take your own advice, infidel isn't a solely Islamic term, it's also used in Christianity to describe those who don't believe in the relevant faith.

Atheists could be described as infidels by both Christians and Muslims.

There is only one religion with a organized sect with millions of adherents worldwide willing to blow themselves up, cut people's heads off, and teach their children to do the same... Islam.

Any elements of Christianity that use 'infidel' and even to a lesser extent 'heresy' in common terminology are sufficiently ostracized by the larger Christian Community; while Radical Islam controls the majority of the Middle East.

....It is also a basis of Fayed's last name "Harkonnen" .... IE from the DUNE novels, the main religion being a hodgepodge of Catholicism and Radical Islam.

And everyone should be given a free abaddon that has perma-fitted guns which do zero damage and automatically fire rainbow lasers out in random directions whenever you undock.

There is only one religion with a organized sect with millions of adherents worldwide willing to blow themselves up, cut people's heads off, and teach their children to do the same... Islam.

Any elements of Christianity that use 'infidel' and even to a lesser extent 'heresy' in common terminology are sufficiently ostracized by the larger Christian Community; while Radical Islam controls the majority of the Middle East.

....It is also a basis of Fayed's last name "Harkonnen" .... IE from the DUNE novels, the main religion being a hodgepodge of Catholicism and Radical Islam.

I support this

hmmm IDK if ER1 should be banned or not, that was still is up to CCP. I myself is not so dumb to believe that anyone will give me double the isk. I have sent free isk to some players a couple mil really but was I scamed in sending it, IDK. The mistake I think was ER! taking it to TS and then putting on the web. this game can be cruel and heartless and some players can be crueler than others, but that's just the way the real world works also. Peace all.

We're going into religion now?


There truly is no hope to have a decent discussion on this discussion forum full of who they like to think are intelligent people - I am so sorry for spawning this thread

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Any elements of Christianity that use 'infidel' and even to a lesser extent 'heresy' in common terminology are sufficiently ostracized by the larger Christian Community; while Radical Islam controls the majority of the Middle East.

....It is also a basis of Fayed's last name "Harkonnen" .... IE from the DUNE novels, the main religion in those novels being a hodgepodge of Catholicism and Radical Islam. "Jihad" against the Machines and whatnot.

Hey all, put your troll and angry hats to the side for just a moment, everyone deserves a second chance?

Now look into Christianity's history, particularly the crusades. They involved lots of decapitations for believing in a different faith, children were used as squires and trained to kill said unbelievers, all in the name of their god. If C4 waistcoats had been available back then, the Christian Crusaders would have been using them. Christianity is no better than Islam in that respect, and just as bloodthirsty.

Pot meet kettle, certain extremely powerful western states appear to be, for all intents and purposes, in the thrall of radical Christianity.

This is relevant how? Dune is a work of fiction, good books, shite films.

Hitleer also?

And westwoods RTS was pretty good too!

Too bad my version never let me finish the game. It always crashed at the end of the last mission. :(

Who was that American Football player that got thrown out for dogfights or something like that? couple years in jail, rehabs, public service before he could come back. I need to see a graduation certificate from a penetentiary and release from a mental hospital. Isolating criminals from society is how we protect society.

And westwoods RTS was pretty good too!

Too bad my version never let me finish the game. It always crashed at the end of the last mission. :(

I don't actually know if Erotica 1's ban is permanent, but surely we can give the guy another chance, and not let the darker side of EVE's community die?

I concur. What then, shall we do about people who make rl death threats against other players?

I concur. What then, shall we do about people who make rl death threats against other players?

Who was that American Football player that got thrown out for dogfights or something like that? couple years in jail, rehabs, public service before he could come back. I need to see a graduation certificate from a penetentiary and release from a mental hospital. Isolating criminals from society is how we protect society.

Laugh at them for being stupid impotent trolls?

Threatening someone's life, especially when the person issuing the threat is in an obvious state of agitation is no laughing matter.

+1 for Westwood, they did some cracking games before EA swallowed them up.

Whats simpler yet is the 'victim' didn't feel he was tortured, also feels Ripard's crusade did more harm than good, and all the pansy trained seals who ever lost a mackinaw to a ganker (or scammer) chimed in with 400 pages of 'kill the witch!" heresy against HTFU...

What I recommend is for the OP to do what we are doing, shoot a carebear in the face in response...you will feel better than trying to talk the Ripards et al out of their pansy ways.