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DKDane	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:37:00 - [1] lets say moros and whatever gall carier called?
lofty29	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:41:00 - [2] Dread. It has siege mode --------------------------- Originally by: Oveur I see boobies! \o/
Leshrac Shepherd	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:44:00 - [3] The dread will pretty much be able to tank the carrier forever, but the carrier won't be able to tank the dread. ---------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:45:00 - [4] Originally by: lofty29 Dread. It has siege mode Why the sad face? Dreads, as I understand it are both anti-structure and anti-capital ships by role. I don't know if a dread can break a carrier's tank, though. It can't keep the carrier still long enough to kill it, that's for sure, even though I'm sure that's not what you meant. If both were forced to fight to the death, the dread would win eventually.
Thesper	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:50:00 - [5] If the Carrier was in warp disruptor range and the Dread went into siege mode, I'm pretty sure the Carrier could orbit the dread without getting hit much.
Jin Entres	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Thesper If the Carrier was in warp disruptor range and the Dread went into siege mode, I'm pretty sure the Carrier could orbit the dread without getting hit much. Except by citadel torpedoes, although because of the silly explosion velocity I'm not sure they would deal any damage. And the carrier would of course kill any web drones off.
Fruchten	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:58:00 - [7] Probably stalemate depending on which carrier and dread.
Darpz	Posted - 2006.05.05 22:58:00 - [8] carrier with 5 faction Neuts = dead dread The only good fix is a DEAD fix
Wheya	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:17:00 - [9] Carrier wins. example Revelation vs Archon: IIRC Revelation in siege mode can do 2088 dmg/sec Capital repairer can repair 426.6 HP/sec Resistance of Archon without any hardeners: em 70%, thermal 51.25% I am lazy and calculate the 2088 dmg of Revelation against an average resistance of 60%. That's 835 dmg/sec that a Revelation can do against an Archon without any hardeners. I have no doubt that a hardened Archon (3 adaptive nanos would be enough) can tank a Revelation forever. The Dreadnought on the other hand will die once the carrier has sucked the capacitor dry.
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Wheya Carrier wins. example Revelation vs Archon: IIRC Revelation in siege mode can do 2088 dmg/sec Capital repairer can repair 426.6 HP/sec Resistance of Archon without any hardeners: em 70%, thermal 51.25% I am lazy and calculate the 2088 dmg of Revelation against an average resistance of 60%. That's 835 dmg/sec that a Revelation can do against an Archon without any hardeners. I have no doubt that a hardened Archon (3 adaptive nanos would be enough) can tank a Revelation forever. The Dreadnought on the other hand will die once the carrier has sucked the capacitor dry. Max Skill revelation does about 2.5K DPS. Archon will run out of cap. Can't be trained in siege mode. My Guides (Recomended Reading)
dalman	Posted - 2006.05.05 23:47:00 - [11] Dread = anti capital ship. Nuf said. A dread has no problems tanking a carrier forever even without entering siege mode. The whole discussion is stupid though, as the carrier will be sitting at a safepot/POS and the dread will have a fleet with it. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Wheya	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:13:00 - [12] My mistake. I didn't knew a dread in siege mode can't be drained. So the Archon doesn't have a chance as long as the dread has fuel for the siege mode. Nevertheless a maxed out Revelation with 2500 dps (including implants I assume!?!) will have a very hard time to kill an Archon. 2500 DPS is like 1500 em and 1000 thermal damage against a resistance of 85% em and 75% thermal if the Archon only fits 3 adaptive II. That's 475 dmg/sec that gets through while one capital repairer can repair 425 HP/sec. A maxed out revelation would need 11 minutes to kill such an archon. I wouldn't be surprised if a damage control is enough to tank the remaining 50 dmg/sec (475-425). I now see without NOS and without officer cap relays the Archon won't be able to sustain the repairer forever. It will run out of cap after 20-40 minutes. I agree this discussion is only theorie and such a situation won't happen ingame.
Capone McFredrik	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:29:00 - [13] What will happen ingame, however, is this: Carrier vs (insert quantity here) Battleships Dread vs (insert quantity here) Battleships How many will it take to do a good Carrier / Dread pilot?
Noriath	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:35:00 - [14] Well, suppose a dread and a carrier went 1 on 1, which will probaply never happen, since the dread can't move in siege mode the carrier will acctually be able to outrun it if it tries to siege mode...
twit brent	Posted - 2006.05.06 03:07:00 - [15] The carrier should be able to tank teh dread easily enough. The carrier should fit a heap of nosses and wait for the dread to run out of stront :P
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.05.06 03:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Wheya My mistake. I didn't knew a dread in siege mode can't be drained. Yes it can. Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Marcus Alkhaar	Posted - 2006.05.06 06:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Wheya My mistake. I didn't knew a dread in siege mode can't be drained. So the Archon doesn't have a chance as long as the dread has fuel for the siege mode. Nevertheless a maxed out Revelation with 2500 dps (including implants I assume!?!) will have a very hard time to kill an Archon. 2500 DPS is like 1500 em and 1000 thermal damage against a resistance of 85% em and 75% thermal if the Archon only fits 3 adaptive II. That's 475 dmg/sec that gets through while one capital repairer can repair 425 HP/sec. A maxed out revelation would need 11 minutes to kill such an archon. I wouldn't be surprised if a damage control is enough to tank the remaining 50 dmg/sec (475-425). I now see without NOS and without officer cap relays the Archon won't be able to sustain the repairer forever. It will run out of cap after 20-40 minutes. I agree this discussion is only theorie and such a situation won't happen ingame. A Phoenix deal 4900 DPS with 2x BCU + Siege mode (all missile skills affect the launchers aye?) the Naglfar deals +5000 with the same amount of damage mods in the lows.... how did you come up with 2500? btw, a Capital Booster + 2 t1 amps = 20000 shield every 15th second or 1342 hp/sec
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2006.05.06 09:18:00 - [18] Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 06/05/2006 09:22:28 We tried killing a mothership (Nyx) on the testserver with 2 dreads. We really couldn't place a hit when it went in orbit but when we simulated webbing (can't use EW on motherships, but you can on carriers) almost every shot was a hit and it went down within minutes. Considering the Nyx has more than twice the hitpoints of the Thanatos and the fact that each capital armor repairer repairs for 400 HP/sec I'm confident a Moros (who has about 4.5-5k DPS) would own the Thanatos in a 1on1, provided it's within webbing range.

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