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NEONOVUS Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us 817	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:47:00 - [1] - Quote What would be your reaction if the entirety of EVE 2.0 was done in the same style as valkyrie? That is, first person actual hiding and weapons lines, actual newtonian physics... And then the Dust code was used for instation fun
Salvos Rhoska 961	Posted - 2014.04.01 13:53:00 - [2] - Quote I'd buy it for many many dollars. ------------
Antihrist Pripravnik T-AFK and counting 199	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:07:00 - [3] - Quote Wouldn't play it. I actually never liked the concept of chasing a few pixels small target with a caret until my eyes bleed. And all "first person" space shooters have that exact combat mechanic. -
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2904	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:08:00 - [4] - Quote Yuck * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 20379	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:10:00 - [5] - Quote Keep playing EVE 1.0. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1.
Qalix Long Jump. 254	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:13:00 - [6] - Quote They're going to leave this EVE behind. It won't become Valk in the future. Valk will just supercede it. To tie this into my last post in the anonymity thread, this may be a real opportunity for battles without all the bullshit that EVE brings with it.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2904	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:14:00 - [7] - Quote If Elite Dangerous is good, it will destroy the concept of both EvE and Valkyrie for me. Otherwise, Ill still be here, but Ill never touch Valkyrie anyway * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 5689	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:15:00 - [8] - Quote Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: Wouldn't play it. I actually never liked the concept of chasing a few pixels small target with a caret until my eyes bleed. And all "first person" space shooters have that exact combat mechanic. I used to love space shooters (starting with this one) and i've played all the Wing Commander games as well as others. Used to dream of being an X-wing or Viper pilot lol. Now? The concept just doesn't interest me that much and it's EVE;s fault. I am a Starship CAPTAIN now, not some expendable spacefighter stick jockey/scrub lol.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2905	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:21:00 - [9] - Quote Why are there no BattleMechs in DUST? I want to drive an Amarr FLS-9K Flashman * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
TheMercenaryKing StarFleet Enterprises StarFleet. 147	Posted - 2014.04.01 14:51:00 - [10] - Quote The idea is cool, but part of what i like about eve is that it is not "twitch" based nor die roll based. Everything in Eve is mathematical and there is almost no computer generated randomness in it. The big problem i see with eve being twitch based like the OP though is that the larger the ship, the less skill needed to fly it. i mean you would just jump in and shoot which is great for current Eve, but it would be so dull in a twitch system.
Oberine Noriepa 1456	Posted - 2014.04.01 15:57:00 - [11] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: I'd buy it for many many dollars. As would I. I don't mind EVE as it is, but I would definitely support a product that has Valkyrie's combat and EVE's depth.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 5564	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:05:00 - [12] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Why are there no BattleMechs in DUST? I want to drive an Amarr FLS-9K Flashman Apparently mechs are supposed to make an appearance in DUST in the future. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 5564	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:07:00 - [13] - Quote TheMercenaryKing wrote: The idea is cool, but part of what i like about eve is that it is not "twitch" based nor die roll based. Everything in Eve is mathematical and there is almost no computer generated randomness in it. The big problem i see with eve being twitch based like the OP though is that the larger the ship, the less skill needed to fly it. i mean you would just jump in and shoot which is great for current Eve, but it would be so dull in a twitch system. I imagine that for larger ships you could simply push a key to jump to gunner view and manually fire on other ships, then jump back to make course corrections and such while the guns fire normally. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 5564	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:14:00 - [14] - Quote For my part, once the eye candy dazzle wears off I would grow bored quickly if the game play was simply Full Throttle, Lock target, Fire. Ideally they will couple the amazing graphics with a relatively complex combat system, where personal skills will strongly affect the outcome. Much like the power balancing act they had in Xwing and Tie Fighter... you had to put your available power to the best use for that particular combat in addition to skillful maneuvering and weapons choice. Now THAT would be amazing, immerse, and a perfect compliment to EVE if there is a direct tie in to it. We all know that the players want to be able to fly fighters launched from player cap ships and interact in real time in EVE battles. Many of us also want to be able to do ground attack in DUST (although that is unlikely). We all also recognize that the technical difficulties of doing either are monumental, so we'll wait and see what CCP can come up with... but we hope there will be more to it than a simply fly and shoot twitch game. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 11701	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:52:00 - [15] - Quote Posting in an Eve 2.0 is dying thread. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 5695	Posted - 2014.04.01 16:58:00 - [16] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Why are there no BattleMechs in DUST? I want to drive an Amarr FLS-9K Flashman Flashman is fun sure. But it overheats. I'd shoot it with my Minmatar Jagermech (all Autocannons, ALL the time) and plink it to death .Also, thank you for the excuse to visit Sarna.net again lol.
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 527	Posted - 2014.04.01 17:10:00 - [17] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Why are there no BattleMechs in DUST? I want to drive an Amarr FLS-9K Flashman it would help the game immensely. edit:what if i could launch them from orbit (like in that popular ea shooter) ?! Off to f&i i go!!! Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
Riyria Twinpeaks Reasonable People Of Sound Mind 1763	Posted - 2014.04.01 18:07:00 - [18] - Quote I don't know about newtonian physics.. what I've seen of valkyrie so far looked like the fighters behave similar to airplanes in air despite being in space. Having actual newtonian physics in space would provide additional challenge in maneuvering, but if you had to do it purely manually I think it'd end up in lots of frustration for players. And if you have flight help systems you can just as well press "orbit" and "approach". Having turret shots and missiles not go through structures and other ships unhindered, but hitting the obstacle instead (or for missiles, maybe having to fly around it), now that would be nice I think. First person: I can't imagine how that's supposed to work in Eve with direction of movement and weapons fire so completely separate, with a multitude of different offensive/defensive modules to be activated on possibly multiple targets... With larger ships being kinda slow and not very agile it wouldn't be that much fun either, I guess. Actually.. isn't EVE first person already? I'm looking at my tactical display showing my spaceship and environment, giving orders how to move, where to aim, etc. Or, since it's about pod pilots, what we players see on the screen is a poor representation of what the pod pilot experiences as more direct data input. It's as close to first person as possible
Felicity Love STARKRAFT 1653	Posted - 2014.04.01 23:45:00 - [19] - Quote .... I'd probably go play WoW... ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
45thtiger 0109 AL3XAND3R. 59	Posted - 2014.04.02 01:38:00 - [20] - Quote Felicity Love wrote: .... I'd probably go play WoW... World of Whats is that what its called . I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
Grunanca Doughboys Shadow Cartel 189	Posted - 2014.04.02 06:27:00 - [21] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: What would be your reaction if the entirety of EVE 2.0 was done in the same style as valkyrie? That is, first person actual hiding and weapons lines, actual newtonian physics... And then the Dust code was used for instation fun Bye bye EVE. If I wanted to play and FPS game I would be playing that instead of EVE.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 1225	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:09:00 - [22] - Quote CCP will make one asteroid field and you will shoot everything what is colored red there. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
James Copper Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers 0	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:12:00 - [23] - Quote When I first started in EVE, the lack of control annoyed me. Now I accept EVE as it is. If they want to base another space game in the same space type, no worries, but trying to compete with hardcore FPS folks as I trundle along in my cruiser would be even less fun than trying to get a freighter through low sec . EVE online has a huge following and a respectable history. It is what it is, so let it be. As long as its seperate, I might give valk a try if they have a single player game attached... I was never the king of FPS and I'm out of practice
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2940	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:15:00 - [24] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Why are there no BattleMechs in DUST? I want to drive an Amarr FLS-9K Flashman Flashman is fun sure. But it overheats. I'd shoot it with my Minmatar Jagermech (all Autocannons, ALL the time) and plink it to death .Also, thank you for the excuse to visit Sarna.net again lol. If your Flashman is overheating, you aren't using it right. Try the double-strength Freezers, they are delicious * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2941	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:18:00 - [25] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Why are there no BattleMechs in DUST? I want to drive an Amarr FLS-9K Flashman it would help the game immensely. edit:what if i could launch them from orbit (like in that popular ea shooter) ?! Off to f&i i go!!! Well, first of all those arent BattleMechs in that shooter, too small, they are ProtoMechs (Dreadnoughts if you are a 40K person) and second the source material I am referencing already has orbital drop-pods so yeah that would be awesome In fact, a nice modified Dragoon with BattleMech DropPod bays instead of drone bays.... I think I had a small accident * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. 527	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:20:00 - [26] - Quote Trying to make EVE into Valkyrie would be exactly the same as expecting an aircraft carrier to drive and handle exactly like a jetski. In EVE, you are the captain of a ship. You don't pilot it directly, you don't have a joystick in your hands. You simply command it to execute your orders. EVE is also more aptly described as an RTS rather than a space shooter... I will be playing Elite right alongside EVE, as well as Valkyrie. I don't see either replacing it. If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2942	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:31:00 - [27] - Quote Reiisha wrote: I will be playing Elite right alongside EVE, as well as Valkyrie. I don't see either replacing it. Same, though I was very worried when I heard Braben say "fix all of the problems with EvE Online" and the fact that there was still not even a nod to Ian Bell. Maybe he just doesnt want anything to do with it, which is a shame, and what was wrong with Frontier. But damn I want my Fer-De-Lance. * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 4325	Posted - 2014.04.02 07:35:00 - [28] - Quote I'd quit. Twitch gaming is only tolerable for small amounts of time. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Chinwe Rhei Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2014.04.02 09:38:00 - [29] - Quote The problem with twitch shooter MMOs (FPS or sims) is that hardware still can't handle more than a dozen players on the same map, so all those new games are instanced. Yuck. So they can't redo EvE as a twitch shooter any time soon unless you're fine with camping the gate in instance 3 and have the hauler full of goodies pass through the same gate in instance 10 without a care in the world. Sadly bandwith, processing power and memory requirements tend to increase exponentially with the number of players involved. I think i would eventually be fine with a hard limit of a few hundred players / map maybe if hardware permits it, but instancing puts me off a game.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 5566	Posted - 2014.04.02 13:37:00 - [30] - Quote Reiisha wrote: Trying to make EVE into Valkyrie would be exactly the same as expecting an aircraft carrier to drive and handle exactly like a jetski. In EVE, you are the captain of a ship. You don't pilot it directly, you don't have a joystick in your hands. You simply command it to execute your orders. EVE is also more aptly described as an RTS rather than a space shooter... I will be playing Elite right alongside EVE, as well as Valkyrie. I don't see either replacing it. While I'll agree with you, I also want to point out that some of the suppositions about the maneuverability of larger ships in EVE are a little off base. Quite frankly even battleships in EVE are able to turn and position more readily than a bomber can in many flight sims, and people are perfectly fine with that. Only capitol ships really go beyond that point, but that's to be expected I think. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 552	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:36:00 - [31] - Quote NEONOVUS wrote: What would be your reaction if the entirety of EVE 2.0 was done in the same style as valkyrie? That is, first person actual hiding and weapons lines, actual newtonian physics... And then the Dust code was used for instation fun I'd walk away. I don't mind Valkyrie in the mix.. but I think it should be an atmospheric fighter pilot sim that lends to the current system not a replacement. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 288	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:57:00 - [32] - Quote What eve 2.0 should be, is all the issues in EvE we currently have fixed. A rewrite of the code to kill lag and replace systems like sov and pos' with better ways to do stuff. Dust would be more intregrated with more interaction possibilities between the two games, Valkaryie would be integrated. WiS would come about and be working. The point, imo, of an eve 2 is to make a game that has all types of play styles into one giant universe. The pod pilots are the immortals, we control space and claim area, dust merc are the boots on the ground, taking planets which gives eve players more advantages, and dust mercs could be used to take over stations and new pos'. Valkarie would be manned drones, people would fly from carriers in the middle of battle, the eve player would set the 'red' target and the valk would shoot it, they could also provide air support for dust. And finally, WiS would be the social aspect of eve, where after we beat the crap of eachother all 3 games could meet up for a beer at Reaper Bar in jita. Ah.. would be amazing. But most likely not gonna happen
DaReaper Net 7 The Last Brigade 288	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:59:00 - [33] - Quote And eve as a flight sim like valk just would not work, there is another game being made with this feature, but it can't do a single server, so eve prolly can't either
Goa Chai 47	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:14:00 - [34] - Quote I would probably ignore it since I do not own a PS4 and have no intention of buying a Facerift.

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