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Telemicus Thrace	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/05/2006 23:43:15 OK, so you were shot because you were in an NPC corp? Welcome to 0.0! Enjoy your stay It is common knowledge that even ISS attacks players in NPC corporations. I swear every time somebody starts a new topic on this forum the silhouette of a Tachikoma is beamed Batman style onto a cloud over your house ain't it. . You should add "Forum Rapid Response Team" to your title. The whole noob alt spy thing does strike me as strange. I know it's cheap and easy to start an alt and pop them in a shuttle but they draw so much attention out in 0.0. Wouldn't it be more effective to start an alt and maybe train them up to CovOps and put them in a one man front corp? That way they could do some really solid spying and not draw attention from the growing number of 0.0 residents that only shoot hostiles or nub corp members. >> RECRUITING <<
Sonlatur	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Nyphur Right, you were lied to. And? It's not against the charter to lie. No, Nyphur. The point isnt that i was lied to. I wasnt lied to. They told me they just wanted to kill me for the sake of it. Cant get more honest. The point is that he just invents stories about me harassing people. And when i proof him wrong, noone cares. Why is that? You know, i dont want to play a game where people are harassed. I dont think that i have an overly soft spot there and couldnt take it... it's just, it sucks. By harassed i dont mean getting ships blown up. I mean following people around and yelling racist things at them (he said i would have done that; its a lie). I dont know. Noone is getting my point. -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
Sonlatur	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace The whole noob alt spy thing does strike me as strange. I know it's cheap and easy to start an alt and pop them in a shuttle Its considerably less effective to scout in a combat fitted Rupture, always leaving the system in question as soon as you have resupplied... -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
Acheron Cyc	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:28:00 - [34] After reading all the flaming you people have going on here, I find it kind of ironic that you people expect noobs and other players to move to .0 "en masse" ------------------------------------------ "To do something right it must be done twice. The first time instructs the second." Simon Bolivar.
Zarithas	Posted - 2006.05.06 02:59:00 - [35] Edited by: Zarithas on 06/05/2006 02:59:36 You were lied to and killed by a corp in a huge alliance in 0.0. What else is new? Honestly, you're making way too much of a big deal about this. We don't want to hear the chat log. This sort of thing happens many times every day. -------------------------------- Joria Klex > it's sad really cuz i know for a fact i would utterly destroy u all in RL combat
Acheron Cyc	Posted - 2006.05.06 03:09:00 - [36] Quote: We don't want to hear the chat log. You can hear chat logs? Please do tell how you do that?! ------------------------------------------ "To do something right it must be done twice. The first time instructs the second." Simon Bolivar.
Mr Floppyknickers	Posted - 2006.05.06 03:39:00 - [37] I think the big issue here is not that they lied to him but lied about him in an effort to justify thier actions. Such behaviors lend the impression that they felt they were operating in a fashion that their Alliance would disapprove of. They fabricated a story to stay out of trouble. If the people that killed him were only following ISS guidelines then why did they feel it was needed to lie about the person's actions in an effort to justify thier own? If the ISS charter permits the killing of noob corp members for fear they are alts spies then why the shell game? If they were within the bounds of thier alliance's charter then there should have been no reason to even explain thier actions much less lie about the incident to avoid getting in trouble, which seems (if the entire story is to be believed) the whole point of the fabrication. The whole thing reminds me of a child trying to avoid a punishment.
Malthros Zenobia	Posted - 2006.05.06 03:51:00 - [38] Originally by: Dark Shikari Istvaan Shogaatsu's ego, when combined with a veldspar asteroid, would create 500 titans. Too bad he's never mined. RAWR!11 Sig Hijack!11 - Imaran
Mr Floppyknickers	Posted - 2006.05.06 03:59:00 - [39] AAHAAAAHAAAAAAA you're cooking my sig man, No Sizziling the cookie Bunny!
Roupeh Natanoj	Posted - 2006.05.06 04:56:00 - [40] Newb alts in newb corps get shot. GET OVER IT. <><><>
Alahar Sardokh	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:21:00 - [41] Mr. Sonlatur, we (the ISSN) follow special guidelines when operating in the ISS outpost systems, so do the corporations involved in military operations, such as the DNGD. Those guidelines are fully based on, and are harmonized with the Charter. If you are in the starter npc corp, you -seem- to follow pilots, and you sit in the system on a safe spot and talk on local when asked to dock/leave, you're very likely to get shot. I recommend joining a player corporation, or creating your own corporation, i can even lend you the 1.5 million ISK needed, after that, you're very welcome to the outposts, for trading and whatever, and noone would harrash you. We don't shoot neutrals. However you must know that if you are in the noob corp, you -will- get shot in most parts of 0.0. All you can do is to announce yourself upon arrivement and following orders (if ISS asks you to dock, then you dock), all of that is avoidable if you join or create a corporation. If you operate more in 0.0, you'll 100% understand our point.
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:23:00 - [42] Oh for christ's sake this thread shouldn't be happening. To the OP, this incident of which you speak happened six hours ago. You posted to our internal forums, Count responded publicly in that thread that your greivance was under investigation. What more do you want from us? Furthermore, the ISS charter doesn't just form an agreement between the ISS and people who would use our outposts, but also an agreement between ISS management and member corporations. The greivance process takes time. We cannot and will not throw this process out the window to accommodate you, no matter how loudly you argue on Galnet. Overall, the value of the trust that our shareholders have in ISS pays for me, my corp, and the outposts that we share with all of EVE. You are fooling yourself if you think that we are going to throw all that away over a Rupture. I think this thread has gone where it needs to go.
Troye	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:27:00 - [43] So you pirated and ISS KOSed you, whats the big deal? (sorry I cudnt be arsed to read all the chat logs as you hadnt even edited them for readablilty and I realy dont get the point.) _______________________________________________
nickycakes	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:30:00 - [44] Too long; didn't read. Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Alahar Sardokh	Posted - 2006.05.06 05:47:00 - [45] Just a personal note, regarding the announcement of yourself, copied from your chatlog, this all happened there at the same time - Micheline was in a noob corp too: [ 2006.05.04 19:04:19 ] Micheline > o/ ISS [ 2006.05.04 19:04:36 ] Micheline > scouting for my main - please don't shoot :) [ 2006.05.04 19:04:37 ] War Maiden > o/ mich [ 2006.05.04 19:05:00 ] War Maiden > come thru mich [ 2006.05.04 19:05:08 ] Micheline > thank you [ 2006.05.04 19:05:08 ] Kiele Staliete > need an escort ?
Vishnej	Posted - 2006.05.06 07:16:00 - [46] This post has a suspiciously, amazingly, immensely large amount of nothing to do with BoB. As such, it will be locked. Contribute to the Eve Wiki
Sonlatur	Posted - 2006.05.06 07:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Jacob Majestic Oh for christ's sake this thread shouldn't be happening. To the OP, this incident of which you speak happened six hours ago. You posted to our internal forums, Count responded publicly in that thread that your greivance was under investigation. What more do you want from us? I have to admit, you're right. I got angry that the thread got locked after the last hefty flames - i wanted to answer those... Originally by: Troye So you pirated and ISS KOSed you, whats the big deal? The big deal is that this is not a reason to be KOS according to the Charter. You are set on KOS if you engage ISS or pirate in the outpost systems. -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
Jacob Majestic	Posted - 2006.05.06 08:00:00 - [48] Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 06/05/2006 08:01:14 Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 06/05/2006 08:00:02 Originally by: Sonlatur Originally by: Jacob Majestic Oh for christ's sake this thread shouldn't be happening. To the OP, this incident of which you speak happened six hours ago. You posted to our internal forums, Count responded publicly in that thread that your greivance was under investigation. What more do you want from us? I have to admit, you're right. I got angry that the thread got locked after the last hefty flames - i wanted to answer those... I posted in that thread and asked it to be locked because that thread ended once Count said that he was investigating. Count's reply should indicate to you that the ISS is taking your **** seriously and at that point all the flaming from either side should have stopped. Whether or not you feel like they got the last flame and you should have had a chance to respond is no longer a concern at this point. Originally by: Sonlatur Originally by: Troye So you pirated and ISS KOSed you, whats the big deal? The big deal is that this is not a reason to be KOS according to the Charter. You are set on KOS if you engage ISS or pirate in the outpost systems. In the Catch / Providence regions at this point in time, random pilots in newbie corps represent a clear and present threat to ISS assets. Because you posted in this forum you obviously know it exists, and if you had even glanced at the first page of this very forum you'd know how hot it is down here. Daily CC and CDC raiding parties to KDF, BOB making waves in western Catch, the whole CVA standoff... we're already on-edge down here, which makes your newbie-corp status suspiscious at best. Perhaps you underestimate the damage an alt in a frigate with a Passive Targeter and a Ship Scanner can do, but I don't. Hell, all you would really have to do is tell the gang you're gathering intel for whether we're set up for long range or short range -- even if they're already en-route they'll still be able to switch ammo types and call primary targets before we even know they're coming. Once these eggs hatch, things are going to be different. However, things are too hot right now to be able to tolerate a newbie-corp member in a Rupture following people around, period. We now manage close to 200b in investor capital, so please forgive me if I'm not in the mood for shenanigans.
Sonlatur	Posted - 2006.05.06 08:26:00 - [49] Quote: I posted in that thread and asked it to be locked because that thread ended once Count said that he was investigating. As i said, i consider the attack on my ship as settled, i am now aware of ISS's noob policy and have already created a one man corp. As a sidenote, i would advice you to note your noob killing policy at your ROE, and not rely on noobs reading your forums. I read your rules some weeks ago because i wondered "hmm, maybe i can haul some goods to Marginis. I wonder if i'm allowed to go there...". However the blowing my ship up and Agony's lies are two different things. Again, the part with blowing up my ship was settled well. Agony's lies however were made in a public forum, and in a public forum i wanted to set them right. Quote: Count's reply should indicate to you that the ISS is taking your **** seriously and at that point all the flaming from either side should have stopped. Whether or not you feel like they got the last flame and you should have had a chance to respond is no longer a concern at this point. I dont know if ISS is concerned by Agony's lies. You must know that... As far as i am concerned Agony's lying is primarily a matter between him/DNGD and me. ISS as a whole didnt spread lies about me - that was Agony. Quote: In the Catch / Providence regions at this point in time, random pilots in newbie corps represent a clear and present threat to ISS assets. Again, note that in your ROE, not some forum thread. When i want to know ISS's ROE, i read their ROE, not their forums. I was interested in ISS so i read your homepage. However you overestimate my (and fellow noob's) interest if you assume we also browse your forums. About the spy thing: I was leaving, i was staying in local for an hour, i was in a Rupture... Quote: Perhaps you underestimate the damage an alt in a frigate with a Passive Targeter and a Ship Scanner can do, but I don't. I am aware of that. Strangely though in the now deleted thread Agony even states that noob corp members are allowed into Providence. Now this is getting confusing... So please take note: Agony said, i was attacked because i had harrassed his pilots. Quote: Once these eggs hatch, things are going to be different. However, things are too hot right now to be able to tolerate a newbie-corp member in a Rupture following people around, period. I wasnt following your people around, period. -- "Greetings fellow pod pilot. I am Sonlatur of the Sebiestor tribe and you have become a target in my war against the Evil Amarr Empire. Ransom negotiations are possible."
Blaze Oglory	Posted - 2006.05.06 12:03:00 - [50] So war maiden and Vader shot you and Agony called you names? Which felt worse? They are noobs anyway,shoot them back and watch war cry.
Sebroth	Posted - 2006.05.06 14:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Sonlatur ....The big deal is that this is not a reason to be KOS according to the Charter. You are set on KOS if you engage ISS or pirate in the outpost systems. If you read your own posts you have already stated that the fact that you was killed was no big deal..... Its not the first time ISS has shoot down and killed a member of a noob corp and it will happen many more times. Im happy they do. The fact make less of them come down to my home systems so I dont have to waste my time shooting them down. Its a known fact that they do shoot down noob corp members and it is strange that you did not know that when you did know about the charter. That one ISS member or two did lie may be wrong but some people do that. Just put them in to your adressbook and kill them next if you feel like it. Thats what I do if I dont like someone in eve. Just remember to think twice before posting on eve-o. Its easy to get enemys in here.... // yeah my english sucks, so?? //
Sakura Nihil	Posted - 2006.05.06 22:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Dimitri Chandler Originally by: Sonlatur Originally by: Aeaus Wow, irrelevant, I would have shot an NPC corp guy too. The point is that Agony said bad things about me and i can prove that those statements are lies. Reality check my friend - We don't care. Well said \o/

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