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Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 17:09:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
This sound like a sanction to the players, who have both skills trained to 5. Just simple 1:1 would be enough Imho. Or reimburse the lost training time with SP, I train one rank 1 skill to lvl 5 and rank 2 to lvl 1 and will be getting rank 1 and rank 2 skill lvl 5? Thats 500k SP difference (aprox). I dont see how u could justify this, without reimbursing the players with proper training. |
Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 17:32:00 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Icylce wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2. This sound like a sanction to the players, who have both skills trained to 5. Just simple 1:1 would be enough Imho. Or reimburse the lost training time with SP, I train one rank 1 skill to lvl 5 and rank 2 to lvl 1 and will be getting rank 1 and rank 2 skill lvl 5? Thats 500k SP difference (aprox). I dont see how u could justify this, without reimbursing the players with proper training. Kindly think about how bad it is for players who start playing AFTER this patch. They will have to invest 1,024,000 SP to get the same skills as you put in 768,000 for so don't ask for SP reimbursement on top of that advantage.
Thats why this solution is bad. As u pointed out The players who join after patch will have to train 1024k instead of 768k I did for example. But others may have trained only 256k sp and will be getting the same amoun as I will. This is bad sollution and if they go this route, I feel they should reimburse the players who invested their time to train up.
However I do believe that they should distribute the skills in 1:1 ratio., meaning they would give u "just" the same lvl of the skill of coresponding rank u had already trained. |
Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 17:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Icylce wrote:Thats why this solution is bad. As u pointed out The players who join after patch will have to train 1024k instead of 768k I did for example. But others may have trained only 256k sp and will be getting the same amoun as I will. This is bad sollution and if they go this route, I feel they should reimburse the players who invested their time to train up.
However I do believe that they should distribute the skills in 1:1 ratio., meaning they would give u "just" the same lvl of the skill of coresponding rank u had already trained. Removing ability from players is a far worse solution than giving some people 512k SP and others GÇ£onlyGÇ¥ 256k. No matter what, you come out ahead. No matter what, the skills you trained weren't wasted. Since you don't lose any abilities, there's really nothing to reimburse.
They already are removing ability of player to use t2 sentries. Skills were not but the time was. And time is the most valuable resource. |
Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 17:56:00 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:Icylce wrote:Tippia wrote:Icylce wrote:Thats why this solution is bad. As u pointed out The players who join after patch will have to train 1024k instead of 768k I did for example. But others may have trained only 256k sp and will be getting the same amoun as I will. This is bad sollution and if they go this route, I feel they should reimburse the players who invested their time to train up.
However I do believe that they should distribute the skills in 1:1 ratio., meaning they would give u "just" the same lvl of the skill of coresponding rank u had already trained. Removing ability from players is a far worse solution than giving some people 512k SP and others GÇ£onlyGÇ¥ 256k. No matter what, you come out ahead. No matter what, the skills you trained weren't wasted. Since you don't lose any abilities, there's really nothing to reimburse. They already are removing ability of player to use t2 sentries. Skills were not but the time was. And time is the most valuable resource. Oh come on, who trains sentry drone interfacing V (5x) but not scout drone operation V (1x)?
Sentry V wont be enought for t 2 sentries after the patch. |
Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:02:00 -
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Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills?
I know quite few |
Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Icylce wrote:They already are removing ability of player to use t2 sentries. GǪand that is a bad solution, but it won't affect all that many and the loss is absolutely minimal since you need at most 5,000 SP to get them back again. Quote:Skills were not but the time was. No, no time was lost. You got the advantages from the time you spent, and they did not. Now you're getting even more from the time you spent, so no time is lost there either.
How can u claim no time was lost. If we take 2 players with same amount of sp at the patchday, who started playing the same day one with both skills at 5, one with rank 1 skill at 5 and rank to at 1. After the patchday, the second player has 500k sp more. first player has actually lost 7-8 days.
The sollution proposed in devblog was allright and fair to current players:
" During the patch downtime, existing players with the Combat Drone Operation skill trained will receive both new skills trained to the same level that their Combat Drone Operation skill was trained to."
THIS however is wrong:
CCP Fozzie wrote:Sorry for the delay in answering some of the skill questions guys.
As many of you have suggested, we'll be giving pilots the same level in both Light Drone Operation and Medium Drone Operation as the highest level they have in either Scout Drone Operation or Combat Drone Operation over the patch downtime.
The Light Drone Operation skill will be rank 1, the Medium Drone Operation skill will be rank 2.
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Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:14:00 -
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Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Icylce wrote:Erasmus Phoenix wrote:Is there a single player who actively uses T2 sentries and doesn't have the racial drone skills? I know quite few Why would you put the time in to use T2 sentries without being able to use at least T2 smalls?
Dont ask me ask them:) |
Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Icylce wrote:How can u claim no time was lost. Simple: because the time you spent went to giving you fairly significant advantages that you otherwise wouldn't have and because what you gain from this switch-over is sufficient recompense. Yes, you could have skipped over, say, training CDO and now get those bonuses anyway, but guess what? Your drones would then have been 20% worse for upwards of a decade. That's a lot of damage output to miss out on over a very long period of time GÇö all so you could GÇ£saveGÇ¥ 512k SP. The skills were worth training for the advantages they brought. The time was therefore not lost. You also get to keep the bonuses you bought with your training, so again, the time was not lost. At no point do you end up with less than you have; in almost all cases, you end up with more. Loss never enters the picture. The only way for the time to be lost is if you trained the skills and never used them or if the bonuses were being removed. If it's the former, then that's your own fault; if it's the latter thenGǪ who cares, because it's not what's happening. The only downside with the chosen solution is that some poor soul might end up with a higher clone grade, and that's it.
Time is not measured in usefulness or opportunity. If one day 2 chars with 100 days worth od training wake up with differend days worth of training then the time was lost.
Erasmus Phoenix wrote:
So you'd rather have a situation where someone loses the ability to use T2 or even T1 drones that they were perfectly capable of deploying before the patch?
Yes, this is still happening with the sentries, but it's a smaller difference in training and you also wouldn't ever lose the ability to use T1.
Well, then make the scout drone operation the required t2 skills as it was and change the new skills to dmg effect only. Problem solved.
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Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 19:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Icylce wrote:Time is not measured in usefulness or opportunity. If one day 2 chars with 100 days worth od training wake up with differend days worth of training then the time was lost. No. Unless you lost time GÇö by training stuff that was useless, is rendered useless, or which you never used GÇö you didn't lose timeGǪ it's this tautology somehow manage to miss. If other people get GÇ£jumped aheadGÇ¥, you did not lose time. It's not a zero-sum game. Their gain is not your loss. If you think that the time was lost, why did you train the skills to begin with? Any answer that amounts to GÇ£oh, but at the timeGǪGÇ¥ means you didn't lose time GÇö you got exactly what you trained for. Unless what you trained for is no longer in the game, you did not lose it.
Yes I got exactly what I trained for, but others get more than what they trained for in same timeframe. This happens when u use other than +5 implants and wrong remaps or forget to train the skill. Which is completely acceptable because it is your decision. But proposed change is not your decision and U are losing time even tough other sollution is possbile. |
Icylce
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪbut nothing. You lost no time. If others gained more than you, you did not lose anything. If I slot in +5s and you only use +3s, you are not losing any time. You are getting exactly what you chose; what you chose is still with you; nothing is lost.
It does not mean u dont loose time if u choose to do so. One does not rule out the other. |
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