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cpt Mark The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Heiian Conglomerate 9	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:16:00 - [1] - Quote You often get people complaining about high sec, but this is what would happen if high sec turned null sec overnight. Jita Would get smartbombed into oblivion Miners would cease mining - the cost of items and ship hulls would start to sky rocket Inter-hub trade would dramatically decrease - the cost of items would vary dramatically depending on your location within EVE War decs would be non-existent New players would get massacred People would need to align themselves to one of multiple major blocs in order to remain safe [/list] It would be funny, but a mess :)
Benny Ohu Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence 2806	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:23:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: You often get people complaining about high sec, but i don't think anyone's been asking for highsec to be turned into nullsec
Levina Windstar Mekalon Industry 0	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:26:00 - [3] - Quote What about CONCORD? Will they simply retire? Or meaby they will become the new NPC pirates that owns New Eden (Oh wait, is this already the case? )
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 4228	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:29:00 - [4] - Quote OP is too young to remember Armageddon day. /lawn, off it. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Dinsdale Pirannha Pirannha Corp 2529	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:33:00 - [5] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Quote: You often get people complaining about high sec, but i don't think anyone's been asking for highsec to be turned into nullsec No, no one is asking to turn high sec into null sec, except the sociopaths that love to kill for the tears, but they are a small problem. No, the cartels would love high sec to be turned into null sec, so they would suddenly have so many more serfs paying massive tithes to the cartel leaders, who now operate as feudal lords. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:38:00 - [6] - Quote DINSDALE TO THE RESCUE!
Benny Ohu Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence 2808	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:39:00 - [7] - Quote hello, dinsdale
Serene Repose 1212	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:49:00 - [8] - Quote This thread has earned 2 Yawns. yawn yawn I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Pix Severus School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 568	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:51:00 - [9] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: This thread has earned 2 Yawns. yawn yawn What are the maximum amount of yawns? I need to know where this fits on the Yawn Scale.
Malcolm Shinhwa Bad Touches 1678	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:56:00 - [10] - Quote What if my wife turned bisexual over night? Makes about as much sense as OP's hypothetical while also being far more entertaining for me. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose.

Doireen Kaundur 488	Posted - 2014.04.02 14:58:00 - [11] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: What if my wife turned bisexual over night? Makes about as much sense as OP's hypothetical while also being far more entertaining for me. Until she leaves you for the other chick. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á
stoicfaux 4359	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:02:00 - [12] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: What if my wife turned bisexual over night? Makes about as much sense as OP's hypothetical while also being far more entertaining for me. Careful what you wish for. Last guy that happened to found himself in a situation where his wife and mistress were more excited by each other than by him, and he wound up being a third wheel. Awwwwwkward! WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
Doireen Kaundur 488	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:07:00 - [13] - Quote It would be interesting if HI-sec turned null for an hour everyday. Edit: Or even better, NULL turn to HI. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 2995	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:09:00 - [14] - Quote Glad to see GD back to normal. Only took 48hrs * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
WASPY69 Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 230	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:33:00 - [15] - Quote cpt Mark wrote: Miners would cease mining No, no they wouldn't.
fudface ACME-INC 33	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:41:00 - [16] - Quote personally i wouldnt care, as a station trader (right click and sell) i would never have to leave the station plus with 11 jump clones and 19 hour jump window i could probably carry on as normal. fluid security status now thats something i could get behind. ganking drops status pirate deaths/ pve missions could build it. small fleet actions to both raise or lower status. my 2 isk worth :)
Ralph King-Griffin Var Foundation inc. 545	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: DINSDALE TO THE RESCUE! i was really really hoping he would turnout to be one of erotica's alts. don't get me wrong im glad he's still around, but it would have been hilarious for dinsdale to have a secret CODE alt. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
Salvos Rhoska 969	Posted - 2014.04.02 15:50:00 - [18] - Quote It would be a good day. ------------
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 596	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:29:00 - [19] - Quote Highsec turning into 'nullsec' already happened. Look up Armageddon Day. For one day, Concord had a day off. The Universe Burned. If you were there, you'd realize that everyone and everything has it's place & need. One cannot exist without the other (or severely altered) -áDucia Foundry profits on the decline due to Capsuleer competition! -á First year anniversary of the Caldari Prime battle was a success!
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 215	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:33:00 - [20] - Quote So I woke up this morning and thought "What would an idiot say?" Looks like I clicked the right link. One less stressful thing to worry about. Insert Signature Here.....

Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 552	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:45:00 - [21] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Quote: You often get people complaining about high sec, but i don't think anyone's been asking for highsec to be turned into nullsec Actually that's not true; this has been suggested multiple times over the years...including a recent request. Like Obama-care, it's not a good idea but that doesn't mean some small segment of the population doesn't like it ...or that there aren't others who would play that way if forced to. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
cpt Mark The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Heiian Conglomerate 10	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:51:00 - [22] - Quote Jandice Ymladris wrote: Highsec turning into 'nullsec' already happened. Look up Armageddon Day. For one day, Concord had a day off. The Universe Burned. If you were there, you'd realize that everyone and everything has it's place & need. One cannot exist without the other (or severely altered) Link
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 58	Posted - 2014.04.02 16:56:00 - [23] - Quote cpt Mark wrote: Jandice Ymladris wrote: Highsec turning into 'nullsec' already happened. Look up Armageddon Day. For one day, Concord had a day off. The Universe Burned. If you were there, you'd realize that everyone and everything has it's place & need. One cannot exist without the other (or severely altered) Link It was the last day before the game left beta and went officially public. May the powers of knowledge and google be with you ... or, you know, just stay as you are.
Grunanca Doughboys Shadow Cartel 192	Posted - 2014.04.02 17:55:00 - [24] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: OP is too young to remember Armageddon day. /lawn, off it. This! Also, if high sec turned to 0.0, people would just go to low sec!
Felicity Love STARKRAFT 1654	Posted - 2014.04.02 18:25:00 - [25] - Quote one word... HILARIOUS. Complete shitstorm for whoever ends up answering the "Customer Service" phone at CCP though. ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
Doireen Kaundur 493	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:35:00 - [26] - Quote BuckStrider wrote: So I woke up this morning and thought "What would an idiot say?" Looks like I clicked the right link. One less stressful thing to worry about. Dear Buck, Dont breed. Love, Doiry A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á
Kaidu Kahn POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance 12	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:37:00 - [27] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: OP is too young to remember Armageddon day. /lawn, off it. Sure would be nice to have another one of those.
Talon SilverHawk Ronin Cartel The G0dfathers 657	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:48:00 - [28] - Quote They did do this once before a roll back was fun : ) Tal
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 4635	Posted - 2014.04.02 19:53:00 - [29] - Quote Well I don't know if it would be as bad as the OP states. Maybe for Jita for a while anyway. But one bad thing would start. Noobs would be getting swooped down on the moment they undock. And the people doing it are going to think that makes them good at PVP or something. I don't know what part of this I would be more ashamed of. I have the skills and experience to survive but over that display of smells-like-underwear neckbeardery I would quit. Eve online getting reduced to one of those games where people who will gank noobs and have nothing better to do all day and the moment you start playing you are being swarmed (plus the "ha ha GBTW NOOB! We're so leet!") is not something to be proud of. It's bad enough we already have these people around. One thing that gets overlooked these days is how CCP is obviously trying to blur the lines between highsec and beyond. The expansion is called "Rubicon". Rubicon is often referred to as a measure of crossing a line, and not being able to go back. The theme of this has involved the rise of the sovereign power of the capsuleer and the diminishing power of the empires. Would it have made much sense if the expansion was called "we're going to blur the lines a little bit. Work with us here folks" ? Just look at what new modules and deployables have wrought. I think a day is going to come when the only way to stay out of PVP in highsec is to not do much of anything beyond the present status quo. Such that if you run a mission the olde way you won't get in trouble but once people start boasting about how many gajillions of ISK they make per hour using an MTU (which can be shot openly - a blurred line right there)people will have to make a choice: make so much ISK per hour without one, or take the risk of using one. That with drone aggro is a stab at semi-afk mission running. And what was the number one complaint of the bitter nullseccer about highsec mission running? The trend certainly looks that way, that if you want to run a mission in a few years and make more ISK than you do now, you will have to take additional risks, but if you don't want to take them you make the same then as you do now (maybe even less - who knows - how about that deployable in nullsec that takes your ISK that anyone can rob?) But I don't think the calls of bored bubble campers to somehow get their orgy of gleeful ganking and kills is ever going to happen. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 680	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:21:00 - [30] - Quote THEY DROOL AND DREAM OF BASHING NEWBS OR UNSUSPECTING INDIES THE DREAM DIED LONG AGO THE DROOLING IS ENDLESS Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Cheng Musana Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens 62	Posted - 2014.04.02 21:34:00 - [31] - Quote Quite easy to figure what would happend. 80% of the players would stop playing instantly and CCP could shut down the server due to extreme low playercounts.
Kasife Vynneve Capital Storm. The Storm Collective 23	Posted - 2014.04.02 22:49:00 - [32] - Quote As long as all of Sov Null became Highsec
Felicity Love Whore and Peace 1655	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:57:00 - [33] - Quote Cheng Musana wrote: Quite easy to figure what would happend. 80% of the players would stop playing instantly and CCP could shut down the server due to extreme low playercounts. Hey, 80% less server load... finally, an end to STOOOOOOOOOPID TiDi migration halfway across gamespace and into EMPTY systems where I'm conducting a nude sunbathing Op. Get OFF MY BEACH, maggots !! ... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 1535	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:25:00 - [34] - Quote Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Quote: You often get people complaining about high sec, but i don't think anyone's been asking for highsec to be turned into nullsec No, no one is asking to turn high sec into null sec, except the sociopaths that love to kill for the tears, but they are a small problem. No, the cartels would love high sec to be turned into null sec, so they would suddenly have so many more serfs paying massive tithes to the cartel leaders, who now operate as feudal lords. Again with the pirate hate. Leave pirates alone.... we just want to have fun. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 4339	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:37:00 - [35] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Quote: You often get people complaining about high sec, but i don't think anyone's been asking for highsec to be turned into nullsec No, no one is asking to turn high sec into null sec, except the sociopaths that love to kill for the tears, but they are a small problem. No, the cartels would love high sec to be turned into null sec, so they would suddenly have so many more serfs paying massive tithes to the cartel leaders, who now operate as feudal lords. Again with the pirate hate. Leave pirates alone.... we just want to have fun. Thing is, Jarod? They've set themselves against us in the most personal way. They've set conditions whereby their "fun" is mutually exclusive with ours. They've long since abandoned "live and let live" as far as it goes in the game. What's worse, they repeatedly state that there can't be a happy medium, and they keep trying to force CCP to choose between the two groups. If they get their way, you and I, and all of our ilk, won't be able to play the game. So my attitude is, **** 'em. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Benny Ohu Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence 2816	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:41:00 - [36] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Jarod Garamonde wrote: Dinsdale Pirannha wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Quote: You often get people complaining about high sec, but i don't think anyone's been asking for highsec to be turned into nullsec No, no one is asking to turn high sec into null sec, except the sociopaths that love to kill for the tears, but they are a small problem. No, the cartels would love high sec to be turned into null sec, so they would suddenly have so many more serfs paying massive tithes to the cartel leaders, who now operate as feudal lords. Again with the pirate hate. Leave pirates alone.... we just want to have fun. Thing is, Jarod? They've set themselves against us in the most personal way. They've set conditions whereby their "fun" is mutually exclusive with ours. They've long since abandoned "live and let live" as far as it goes in the game. What's worse, they repeatedly state that there can't be a happy medium, and they keep trying to force CCP to choose between the two groups. If they get their way, you and I, and all of our ilk, won't be able to play the game. So my attitude is, **** 'em. guys let's stay on topic of the clear plausible and present threat of the non-fictitious nullsec cartels please
Benny Ohu Beneath the Ashes Margin of Silence 2816	Posted - 2014.04.03 05:44:00 - [37] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: Quote: You often get people complaining about high sec, but i don't think anyone's been asking for highsec to be turned into nullsec Actually that's not true; this has been suggested multiple times over the years...including a recent request. Like Obama-care, it's not a good idea but that doesn't mean some small segment of the population doesn't like it ...or that there aren't others who would play that way if forced to. link a thread that's not a troll or hyperbole
Serene Repose 1216	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:27:00 - [38] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Serene Repose wrote: This thread has earned 2 Yawns. yawn yawn What are the maximum amount of yawns? I need to know where this fits on the Yawn Scale. Five Yawns is the max, so far. We do not preclude the concept of Epic Boring...and we do have a sixth yawn available should the occasion arise. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
Dave Stark 4857	Posted - 2014.04.03 08:41:00 - [39] - Quote I'd honestly probably just unsub. it would make the game a lot less accessible to those of us that don't want to join a 0.0 alliance and constantly get bothered by pings for fleets we don't want to join, and have to have an extra 30 chat tabs open to figure out if there's a camp on the other side of every gate... simply too much hassle for me to put up with for something that's meant to be fun.
Cynar Pappotte University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.04.03 09:14:00 - [40] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Well I don't know if it would be as bad as the OP states. Maybe for Jita for a while anyway. But one bad thing would start. Noobs would be getting swooped down on the moment they undock. And the people doing it are going to think that makes them good at PVP or something. I don't know what part of this I would be more ashamed of. Already happening. Maybe it's just concidence, but I operate mainly around Didoxe (or however it's spelt) and there's been a noticeable increase in the number of frigate wrecks and corpses floating around; including mine but that was my own fault for trying to shortcut through a 0.3 system and not legging it the moment the overview turned into a flashing yellow brick...

Precentor Saggitus Planet Express Transport 6	Posted - 2014.04.03 20:10:00 - [41] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: I'd honestly probably just unsub. it would make the game a lot less accessible to those of us that don't want to join a 0.0 alliance and constantly get bothered by pings for fleets we don't want to join, and have to have an extra 30 chat tabs open to figure out if there's a camp on the other side of every gate... simply too much hassle for me to put up with for something that's meant to be fun. About the same for me. I don't really find null sec that fun. If you live there its a constant demand. Nice place to visit once in a while. While fighting constant battles is fun sometimes, logging in to a barrage of CTA, CTA! Gets a little old sometimes. I don't want to have to do the same thing day in, day out when I play. Null sec forces you to always be part of a giant group, a small cog in a big machine. Fun sometimes, but in my opinion not all the time, especially if like me you don't have all the time in the world to play, or play on a constant basis. Small group stuff is much more fun, and I enjoy my solo time too. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.
Amyclas Amatin Novus Ordo Rangers 201	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:09:00 - [42] - Quote How would anyone gank without concord protecting them? For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1415	Posted - 2014.04.03 21:24:00 - [43] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Jarod Garamonde wrote: ... Leave pirates alone.... we just want to have fun. Thing is, Jarod? They've set themselves against us in the most personal way. They've set conditions whereby their "fun" is mutually exclusive with ours. They've long since abandoned "live and let live" as far as it goes in the game. What's worse, they repeatedly state that there can't be a happy medium, and they keep trying to force CCP to choose between the two groups. If they get their way, you and I, and all of our ilk, won't be able to play the game. So my attitude is, **** 'em. You quoted wrong part. What you have just wrote describes pirates and gankers. I think you even didn't notice The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Ikshuki Aliastra Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:29:00 - [44] - Quote LOLOLOLOL i think even goonswarm would get pissed if that happened, because they have so much assets moving in and out of jita they would lose trillions in an hour with all the botter runs they do, but it would be hilarious watching though, i would just sit at 356km from the jita-perimeter stargate in my sniping fitted rattlesnake and just let loose of my sentry drones to one shot anything cruiser sized :)
Khanh'rhh GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2989	Posted - 2014.04.06 23:58:00 - [45] - Quote Ikshuki wrote: LOLOLOLOL i think even goonswarm would get pissed if that happened, because they have so much assets moving in and out of jita they would lose trillions in an hour with all the botter runs they do, but it would be hilarious watching though, i would just sit at 356km from the jita-perimeter stargate in my sniping fitted rattlesnake and just let loose of my sentry drones to one shot anything cruiser sized :) This, like most of the posts ITT, are misinformed or deluded fantasies. For instance, it should happen so you can find out how silly it is to have a shield expanded battleship "sniper". The actual answer to OPs question, is that it will become a lot like NPC 0.0, but will happen over time as population stops hanging to <20 systems and spreads out. Contrary to the belief of highsec dwellers, it's possible to mine, mission, rat, produce and trade in 0.0 space once you've unlearned terrible habits. No, I'm not talking about sov null either; there's plenty of examples of multiple non-blued groups living in close proximity in NPC 0.0 space, and it's not the doom and gloom stay-docked-or-die that you lot seem to think it is. It would be a much better game, but it won't happen because most people want the easier option. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 4462	Posted - 2014.04.07 00:39:00 - [46] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Jarod Garamonde wrote: ... Leave pirates alone.... we just want to have fun. Thing is, Jarod? They've set themselves against us in the most personal way. They've set conditions whereby their "fun" is mutually exclusive with ours. They've long since abandoned "live and let live" as far as it goes in the game. What's worse, they repeatedly state that there can't be a happy medium, and they keep trying to force CCP to choose between the two groups. If they get their way, you and I, and all of our ilk, won't be able to play the game. So my attitude is, **** 'em. You quoted wrong part. What you have just wrote describes pirates and gankers. I think you even didn't notice Except I don't want mining or missioning or incursions legislated out of the game to spite a playstyle I don't like. Big difference between "I like to have fun by shooting people in a videogame" and "I can't EVER have fun if anyone else is allowed to shoot me, ever!". There's no moral equivalency here, no matter how hard you try to fish for one. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Sibyyl 362	Posted - 2014.04.07 02:36:00 - [47] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: What if my wife turned bisexual over night? Makes about as much sense as OP's hypothetical while also being far more entertaining for me. All these girl-on-girl wife analogies.. I wonder if you're trying to tell us anything. Now that you are campers you will have more parties and no more sad lonely bubbles.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 5732	Posted - 2014.04.07 12:31:00 - [48] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: What if my wife turned bisexual over night? Makes about as much sense as OP's hypothetical while also being far more entertaining for me. Yea well, in my case that would simply mean TWO women sleeping in my bed while not giving me any yet still demanding I complete a daily list of ~~general orders~~ chores! Their called 'fantasies' for a reason
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 949	Posted - 2014.04.07 13:20:00 - [49] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: I'd honestly probably just unsub. it would make the game a lot less accessible to those of us that don't want to join a 0.0 alliance and constantly get bothered by pings for fleets we don't want to join, and have to have an extra 30 chat tabs open to figure out if there's a camp on the other side of every gate... simply too much hassle for me to put up with for something that's meant to be fun. Exactly this. So I'd just stay in lowsec. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1418	Posted - 2014.04.07 13:57:00 - [50] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: March rabbit wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Jarod Garamonde wrote: ... Leave pirates alone.... we just want to have fun. Thing is, Jarod? They've set themselves against us in the most personal way. They've set conditions whereby their "fun" is mutually exclusive with ours. They've long since abandoned "live and let live" as far as it goes in the game. What's worse, they repeatedly state that there can't be a happy medium, and they keep trying to force CCP to choose between the two groups. If they get their way, you and I, and all of our ilk, won't be able to play the game. So my attitude is, **** 'em. You quoted wrong part. What you have just wrote describes pirates and gankers. I think you even didn't notice Except I don't want mining or missioning or incursions legislated out of the game to spite a playstyle I don't like. Big difference between "I like to have fun by shooting people in a videogame" and "I can't EVER have fun if anyone else is allowed to shoot me, ever!". There's no moral equivalency here, no matter how hard you try to fish for one. The real things we have here are: ganker: i only have fun when i blow some unprepared player. I'm too scared of dealing other pvp-oriented players miner: i like to mine but it is not fun when your ship is getting blown by occasional suicide alts And you are right: there is no moral equivalency here. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3164	Posted - 2014.04.07 14:11:00 - [51] - Quote March rabbit wrote: ganker: i only have fun when i blow some unprepared player. I'm too scared of dealing other pvp-oriented players Subjective and not based in reality. Shows no understanding of the situation 2/10 Must try harder (Though I like the use of the word "blow") * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 551	Posted - 2014.04.07 14:15:00 - [52] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: March rabbit wrote: ganker: i only have fun when i blow some unprepared player. I'm too scared of dealing other pvp-oriented players Subjective and not based in reality. Shows no understanding of the situation 2/10 Must try harder (Though I like the use of the word "blow") I always like turning it back on them, like so. Miner - whaa whaa I want to be left alone to play 'my way' in a game which has the basic assuption that playing as part of a group is advantageous and that interaction is never purely on your terms. Ganker - Here is your dose of education for the day. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin you're welcome
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3166	Posted - 2014.04.07 14:18:00 - [53] - Quote Darek Castigatus wrote: I always like turning it back on them, like so. Miner - whaa whaa I want to be left alone to play 'my way' in a game which has the basic assuption that playing as part of a group is advantageous and that interaction is never purely on your terms. Ganker - Here is your dose of education for the day. Miner - I dont see why I should defend myself in anyway Ganker - Im taking time out of my Nullops to teach you why, next time I expect you to be harder to kill. GIVE ME A DAMN CHALLENGE YOU ***** !!!!1111!-¼! (Edit: of course, this is fantasy as it is usually the Miner who swears) * Vote MTU For CSM * Free The Jita 1** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 151	Posted - 2014.04.07 14:20:00 - [54] - Quote This thread is full of fail. Only one or two posts are not full of stupid, biased and completely disconnected assumptions about what would happen.
Precentor Saggitus Planet Express Transport 18	Posted - 2014.04.07 17:11:00 - [55] - Quote Khanh'rhh wrote: It would be a much better game, but it won't happen because most people want the easier option. I don't know if it would be a much better game, it would just be a different one. Lets face it, most of the people whom some of the EVE community deride for this, would simply un sub, and one would be left with the remenants of those who preferred the different mode world. All that would happen is that one would lose a sector of players. I personally don't think the game would benefit from that. You're right, people mission in low sec and null, people mine/harvest in those places as well. I'm one of those people. EVE though is risk/reward intensive though, so its really hard to be upset that those who spend low risk, get low reward. Stuck mining Veldspar, and with largely T1 production. Admittedly, one can play and be pretty happy with this. EVE is still somewhat of a fun game in this regard - I know that's hard to understand for a lot of people, remember, we're in the sandbox here. IF everyone can't play in the sandbox, it ain't a sandbox. One might say that a sandbox should have no rules or prohibitions, but a real sand box does - it has the properties of sand which govern what one can do within, and there in lies the challenge. Every thing you make in the sandbox after all is still sand. To be honest, sometimes I like the "easier option" curse that if you will. Sometimes I want to play and enjoy the EVE universe with a small bit less of risk. Those "bad habits" one refers to that high sec players have, take a lot of time to adhere to, and frequently if one is super careful, you don't end up doing what you would like to do. Null sec for me just gets old sometimes, especially since the main thing to survive there you need to do is work with others - sometimes the really trying part. For me in MMOs I get along more with my adversaries than I do with my guild mates/corp mates. Your enemies you can at least choose somewhat when to interact with them. But that's my issue with games, not yours, everyone is welcome to get from the game what they want. The posts above this one with examples of one sector of players against another (where one's always the hardened hero and the other is the whiny aggrieved), are just very limited in their perspective. EVE players are far more varied. Lord knows I've found my share of whiny players and those who get upset and claim things are unfair PvPers and PvEers alike. For every whining miner about sec issues and gankers, there's a whiny ganker who's upset whenever he doesn't get a kill out of a gank. Lots of people think the game should change, in general to favour their own play style. In my experience there's a lot of "PvPers" who are just as sore when they lose a ship as any ratter or miner, and there are still plenty of mission runners, miners and ratters who are pretty good about the process ending up in a new clone. In the end ther's players who will continue to whine in this game and unfortunately you won't be able to sort them out. I try just to ignore them they're going to be in every MMO you play. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 5750	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:04:00 - [56] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Darek Castigatus wrote: I always like turning it back on them, like so. Miner - whaa whaa I want to be left alone to play 'my way' in a game which has the basic assumption that playing as part of a group is advantageous and that interaction is never purely on your terms. Ganker - Here is your dose of education for the day. Miner - I dont see why I should defend myself in anyway Ganker - Im taking time out of my Nullops to teach you why, next time I expect you to be harder to kill. GIVE ME A DAMN CHALLENGE YOU ***** **!!!!1111!-¼! (Edit: of course, this is fantasy as it is usually the Miner who swears) At the end of the day, this is probably why I like gankers and dislike their 'victims' (which I also strive to never become). It's because they are actually 'teaching' greedy, self absorbed, irrational 'carebears' that they are playing a multiplayer non-consensual pvp game not some themepark 'do whatever you like it's all good, no consequences' crap game. That miner or mission runner didn't give a single thought to how his activity is negatively affecting others (by lowering the value of those other miners and mission runners ore or LP) yet somehow the loss of his ship is some crime against humanity. That kind of selfishness and oblivious attitude needs to be punished and I'm glad you gankers are here to do that....while I of course spend the time and effort to avoid the loving caresses of you sumbitches
Precentor Saggitus Planet Express Transport 18	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:45:00 - [57] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: At the end of the day, this is probably why I like gankers and dislike their 'victims' (which I also strive to never become). It's because they are actually 'teaching' greedy, self absorbed, irrational 'carebears' that they are playing a multiplayer non-consensual pvp game not some themepark 'do whatever you like it's all good, no consequences' crap game. I have no problems with gankers either for the most part, but I think its unfair to categorize anyone who prefers to do PvE type activity is "greedy" or "self absorbed". Also EVE is (or should) be the ultimate "do whatever you like game" whatever you like includes an array of PvE activities, they just happen not to be of the theme park variety, EVE is wonderful in that there is a lot of ways to do said PvE things. that nothing is ever really PvE is just part of the game. Personally I can see where lots of players, particularly new ones get upset, unhappy at being ganked. There's lots of players just trying to get a bit of veldspar to sell, another rat's bounty so they can get ahead in the game. Ganking a lower end character might just have annihilated the results of their afternoon's gaming. One must admit that this isn't always directly apparent when one suffers such a loss that this is really the challenge inherent in the game. Its probably debateable that people who play EVE and like it, are a sigma left or right on the bell curve with what they consider "fun". Some will get upset and quit, others will learn and continue. I will say that once the risks are apparent and losses have been suffered, why some continue to play wishing that they weren't so. I guess maybe the internet space ships are just that pretty that some are enthralled. I do have to question the idea that other players need to be "taught" lessons in such fashion. If that's why one is doing it, then you have issues. If you do it for reputation, reward, or tactical or strategic ends, that's what the game is about (essentially reputation and reward are either tactical or strategic depending on your end goals). I feel no need to teach other players a lesson than I do the other idiots I share the freeway with, or some of the ignorant louts at the mall. Quote: That miner or mission runner didn't give a single thought to how his activity is negatively affecting others (by lowering the value of those other miners and mission runners ore or LP) yet somehow the loss of his ship is some crime against humanity. That kind of selfishness and oblivious attitude needs to be punished and I'm glad you gankers are here to do that....while I of course spend the time and effort to avoid the loving caresses of you sumbitches I would contend that only bots are really aspects here that really negatively impact the game. An afk player mining away (or ratting away if they can do it) is extrordinarily inefficient, and thus don't profit verses time spent enough to affect the profit of thos ewho are at the keyboard. Bots when discovered should be mercilessly ganked. Average joes just trying to make a few ISK, its really ahrd to resent them just wanting to get somewhere in the game. After all, you don't get very much ISK (if any) from low end frigate PvP. Not enough if one has some sort of desire to fly something other than. Besides, someone's got to be out there to fuel the EVE industry and market, or all anyone would be flying would be a bunch of rookie ships and that would be pretty boring. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3204	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:48:00 - [58] - Quote Precentor Saggitus wrote: I think its unfair to categorize anyone who prefers to do PvE type activity is "greedy" or "self absorbed". . I dont think either of us meant it like that Its the ones who rant and rave and stamp their feet and wish RL harm to come to those they hate (and I mean really HATE) that are who we were talking about really Read some of the EvEmails sent to James315 to see what we mean I really dont think there is any excuse for some of the things they say * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 5753	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:50:00 - [59] - Quote Precentor Saggitus wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: At the end of the day, this is probably why I like gankers and dislike their 'victims' (which I also strive to never become). It's because they are actually 'teaching' greedy, self absorbed, irrational 'carebears' that they are playing a multiplayer non-consensual pvp game not some themepark 'do whatever you like it's all good, no consequences' crap game. I have no problems with gankers either for the most part, but I think its unfair to categorize anyone who prefers to do PvE type activity is "greedy" or "self absorbed". Also EVE is (or should) be the ultimate "do whatever you like game" whatever you like includes an array of PvE activities, they just happen not to be of the theme park variety, EVE is wonderful in that there is a lot of ways to do said PvE things. that nothing is ever really PvE is just part of the game. Hey guys, someone tell the new guy here what I do in game please.
Ramona McCandless The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity 3204	Posted - 2014.04.07 18:54:00 - [60] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Precentor Saggitus wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: At the end of the day, this is probably why I like gankers and dislike their 'victims' (which I also strive to never become). It's because they are actually 'teaching' greedy, self absorbed, irrational 'carebears' that they are playing a multiplayer non-consensual pvp game not some themepark 'do whatever you like it's all good, no consequences' crap game. I have no problems with gankers either for the most part, but I think its unfair to categorize anyone who prefers to do PvE type activity is "greedy" or "self absorbed". Also EVE is (or should) be the ultimate "do whatever you like game" whatever you like includes an array of PvE activities, they just happen not to be of the theme park variety, EVE is wonderful in that there is a lot of ways to do said PvE things. that nothing is ever really PvE is just part of the game. Hey guys, someone tell the new guy here what I do in game please. She farms square pumpkins, does the Klingon raid mission and mines Thorium * Vote MTU For CSM * *Free The Jita 1* "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius

Mr Epeen It's All About Me 5111	Posted - 2014.04.07 19:49:00 - [61] - Quote Title wrote: If High Sec Turned Null Sec Over Downtime I've giving this some thought and here's what I think. Nothing would really change! At least for a good while. Why do you say that Mr Epeen? Because most people are so caught up in their tiny little insulated bit of space and game style that that would not notice if a massive black hole suddenly wiped out all of New Eden except that one belt they mine day after day. Null people wouldn't notice because they never leave null. Mission runners wouldn't notice because they never stop missioning. Miners wouldn't notice because they never notice anything. War deccers would still be obliviously camping stations and notice nothing. WHers never notice anything because they are just weird people that live in a weird place. I could go on, but you get the picture. Only the gankers would notice. And lets face they just aren't smart enough to figure out why they didn't just get Concorded for blowing up an empty indy in the Jita pipe. No if there was no announcement, it would be business as usual in New Eden. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Tristelli 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.04.07 20:08:00 - [62] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Serene Repose wrote: This thread has earned 2 Yawns. yawn yawn What are the maximum amount of yawns? I need to know where this fits on the Yawn Scale. You must not be a fan of opera. The two yawn scale showed displeasure with the composer and the libretto. Gives self pat on the back for accidentally signing up for an opera course and actually not dropping out
Precentor Saggitus Planet Express Transport 18	Posted - 2014.04.07 21:16:00 - [63] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Its the ones who rant and rave and stamp their feet and wish RL harm to come to those they hate (and I mean really HATE) that are who we were talking about really Read some of the EvEmails sent to James315 to see what we mean I really dont think there is any excuse for some of the things they say No there isn't, but lets not pretend that type of player is restricted to miners and ratters either. I've been a part of enough gate camps, roams, POS bashes, etc to have seen some people flip out over losing a ship, even if (and maybe especially if) they're on the winning side. Suddenly its everyone else's fault, the mechanics of the game are broken, there's name calling and threats when things escalate. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.


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