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Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:04:00 - [1] - Quote So iv'e been playing for about 2 months now. Making my share of ISK and building ships. I have been pondering about what to do more focused. Mining, exploring, trading, etc. Yet everything somehow seems to end with fighting. If you want to go mine more interesting things, you get attacked. If you go exploring, you get attacked. If you run cargo or trade, you get attacked. I really have no interest in PvP, so what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time?
Ovv Topik The Tuskers 643	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:08:00 - [2] - Quote Google 'Black Frog'. I have no idea how you apply though. Or join a mining corp. Safety in numbers. Nul sec is is often quieter than Hi sec for carebearing. "Jita 4 4 Spaceport. You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!"
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:11:00 - [3] - Quote What do you mean by "carebearing"?
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds Affirmative. 3917	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:24:00 - [4] - Quote Carebearing = The art of doing stuff and go to the end of the world to avoid PvP. Heads up: EVE is intended to be a PvP game, thus you will find that anything you do in space will put you in the risk of PvP, even in high-sec (for instance: Mine in high-sec and likely in time The New Order will visit you). So, yes, technically in the end everything ends up in fighting. Specially if you want to increase your income as EVE uses a nice and almost perfectly balanced Risk vs Reward system. The more risk you take, the bigger the possible reward. EDIT: I know it's going to be borderline forum rule breaking but: If you do not have any intention in PvP and do not like the part that you can always be pulled into PvP even if you don't want it, then EVE might not be the game that suits you and you might want to shop around for other games. This is not to say that you should quit, but just to give you a honest heads up on the game. Also, you say you do not want to PvP. Guess what you are doing when you sell something on the market....PvP. Market is 99.9% player driven and thus you compete with your fellow capsuleers for best selling price of your items and lowest buying price for stuff you buy. So you are doing financial PvP. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:28:00 - [5] - Quote Destruction drives the entire EVE economy. Without things burning, there'd be no reason for anyone to mission or mine or whatever. Plus, it's fun. NPC AI is terrible and predictable. Player "AI" is often just as terrible, but it's unpredictable, which makes it fun. And sometimes, the other player's "AI" isn't terrible, and they win, and you lose a ship and gain a few exciting moments, a lasting lesson and a good memory. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:29:00 - [6] - Quote Who or what is the New Order? So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF?
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:32:00 - [7] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Who or what is the New Order? So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF? We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website. We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 501	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:32:00 - [8] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: I really have no interest in PvP, so what exactly is there for me to do if i don't want to stick to high sec space all the time? Something that's not Eve Online, I suppose. Everything in this game comes back to pvp. Even if ships aren't directly exploding around you all the time, you're in direct and indirect competition with at least a few thousand other players for the resources, markets, and territory that you're using for whatever you're doing. So there is always, ALWAYS a completely valid reason for some other person or group to try to undermine you. Even if you're playing space trucker with the shipping contracts... no, ESPECIALLY then, because the only reason for someone to send something by shipping contract is if it's something valuable that their enemies would want to blow them up over. So... yeah. The answer is pretty much "too bad". You can avoid direct pew-pew by never undocking, though, and just trading from a station. That takes an unnatural love of spreadsheets, though.
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:36:00 - [9] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Pravus Karal wrote: Who or what is the New Order? So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF? We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website. We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics. Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds Affirmative. 3917	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:40:00 - [10] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Who or what is the New Order? So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF? As I said: YES, you can be pulled into PvP anytime somebody wants. When you undock, you automatically consent to the fact that anybody in EVE is allowed to shoot at you. As I said, if you do NOT want to be in danger of the possibility of PvP (and with some small and easy learned skills the risk is very very minimal) then EVE just might not be the game for you. The only way to avoid direct spaceship to spaceship combat is to never undock. The only way to completely avoid any form of combat (including verbally chat combat and financial combat) is not logging in. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:40:00 - [11] - Quote That brings me to a new question. How do i reverse my PLEX, so i can quit the game?
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 230	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:41:00 - [12] - Quote There is always the potential for some form of conflict in eve. Even trading is a form of pvp e.g. market pvp. But if you open the map you will see that there are many areas which are very quite. Even in null sec there are very quite areas and you have the benefit of intel networks. If you move to a quite area and mind your own business the chances of pvp happening are relatively small. Ofc by being pvp adverse, you are cutting yourself off from the best part of the game. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:42:00 - [13] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around. There are a LARGE number of countermeasures to our tactics. Ask around for tips (one I'd suggest is flying a Procurer or Venture in preference to any other mining ship, as they are both pretty much impossible to kill without us losing at least as much as you do; another is never be AFK while undocked, and a third is never to fly anything that you'd be devastated by the loss of) And for that matter, we are an extortion racket, not omnicidal maniacs. You are able to buy us off too. Your final option, of course, is to get involved in the darker side of EVE yourself. Attacking other players and stealing their stuff is every bit as much an option as attacking asteroids or NPCs and stealing their stuff, and while some players have worse AI than asteroids, most do not. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds Affirmative. 3917	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:42:00 - [14] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: That brings me to a new question. How do i reverse my PLEX, so i can quit the game? Basically, you can't. Any game time added to an account is fixed to it. You can petition CCP with a request for a reimbursement but don't be surprised if they decline the request. But as I'm not CCP, I can't tell you what their opinion on this is. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds Affirmative. 3917	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:46:00 - [15] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Pravus Karal wrote: Who or what is the New Order? So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF? We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website. We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics. Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around. Sorry, but now I have to counter question you: Did you read up on EVE before you started the game? The game is nearly 11 years old, so we have over a decade of stories, both about good people (Chribba for instance) as well as the bad people (not pointing fingers, as I don't have enough of them). Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Vol Arm'OOO Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 230	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:48:00 - [16] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Pravus Karal wrote: Who or what is the New Order? So even if i mind my own business and ant away, avoiding combat, someone will come by and shoot at me for it? WTF? We are a highsec extortion racket. My signature has a link to our website. We target passive ISK generation such as AFK mining. If you mine at the keyboard and pay attention (and watch your directional scanner for obvious signs of danger), you are pretty safe from our tactics. Well that is just a complete pile of... I might as well quit the game with people like that around. Avoiding folk like the new order and highsec gankers is as easy as moving to an out of the way system. Tank your mining ship and blue ball them if they come to you and you will never have a problem. Unless you are an asshat and make yourself a target by saying stupid things in the forums or in local, then people will hunt you down. I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:48:00 - [17] - Quote EVE was pitched as "do what you like". I'd like to mine to buy myself a nice ship, possibly go explore and kill an NPC rat here or there. With people of unmentionable adjectives about, like that order nonsense, that puts a big wet turd on the whole thing. Unfortunately my PLEX doesn't run out for another 60 days and that's it for me and my EVE experience. I can't say it was fun since all of my work and avoiding other people's childish antics is for naught. So i might as well quit.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:48:00 - [18] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: There is always the potential for some form of conflict in eve. Even trading is a form of pvp e.g. market pvp. But if you open the map you will see that there are many areas which are very quite. Even in null sec there are very quite areas and you have the benefit of intel networks. If you move to a quite area and mind your own business the chances of pvp happening are relatively small. Ofc by being pvp adverse, you are cutting yourself off from the best part of the game. This is true. If you want a quiet area with the protection of CONCORD, I recommend a system that is at least 5 jumps from every major trade hub and that isn't a major mission hub, trade route or multiple ice anomoly system. Oursalert (someone can correct the spelling) comes to mind as a system worth looking into. It has enough of a local market to provide convenient market PVP, but doesn't have enough commerce to attract people like me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds Affirmative. 3917	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:50:00 - [19] - Quote Vol Arm'OOO wrote: There is always the potential for some form of conflict in eve. Even trading is a form of pvp e.g. market pvp. But if you open the map you will see that there are many areas which are very quite. Even in null sec there are very quite areas and you have the benefit of intel networks. If you move to a quite area and mind your own business the chances of pvp happening are relatively small. Ofc by being pvp adverse, you are cutting yourself off from the best part of the game. This. Although EVE can be a cruel and harsh place, there are equal if not more countermeasures available to make life pretty easy and safe-ish Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds Affirmative. 3917	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:51:00 - [20] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: EVE was pitched as "do what you like". I'd like to mine to buy myself a nice ship, possibly go explore and kill an NPC rat here or there. With people of unmentionable adjectives about, like that order nonsense, that puts a big wet turd on the whole thing. Unfortunately my PLEX doesn't run out for another 60 days and that's it for me and my EVE experience. I can't say it was fun since all of my work and avoiding other people's childish antics is for naught. So i might as well quit. Exactly And if another player's vision of "do what you like" is blow you up...he can do that too. Basically, you are asking if YOU can do what you like, but anybody else has to do as YOU want. Personal channel: *Crazy Dutch Guy* Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:52:00 - [21] - Quote (Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Well that's it for me. I quit. Thanks to nonsense like this order iv'e just been introduced to. Im basically told to go into exile where they can't be bothered to troll you. Thank you for ruining one more thing that might have been a relief from the drudgery of day to day life Goodbye.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:54:00 - [22] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Although EVE can be a cruel and harsh place, there are equal if not more countermeasures available to make life pretty easy and safe-ish This. I have never lost a ship to unexpected PVP while being vigilant and trying to avoid PVP. I have lost ships to unexpected PVP while being reckless. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 00:57:00 - [23] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: (Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Well that's it for me. I quit. Thanks to nonsense like this order iv'e just been introduced to. Im basically told to go into exile where they can't be bothered to troll you. Thank you for ruining one more thing that might have been a relief from the drudgery of day to day life Goodbye. The worst we can do to you is blow up a ship and capsule, which in EVE is a minor setback at most. And trapping someone in EVE is harder than escaping a trap. This isn't a game like World of Warcraft where losing 'your gear' would be a devastating setback. Your character's SP, your assets (which will be safe in stations), your wallet balance and your in-world reputation with other players are your equivalent of 'your gear' here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:00:00 - [24] - Quote Being reckless?! You mean by going to my local asteroid field which is just a quick warp from the capitol, going out of my way to be out of other's way and earning enough breadcrums to buy a little ship that makes me happy? Im sorry, but that is the biggest pile of assholing iv'e ever heard of. Some people would like to play this as an elaborate screensaver. Something that's nice to look at and makes nice background noises. But no, we can't have that. We need twats that go around with some stupid creed, trolling for the sake of it. **** this, im out of here. Seriously.
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:11:00 - [25] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Being reckless?! You mean by going to my local asteroid field which is just a quick warp from the capitol, going out of my way to be out of other's way and earning enough breadcrums to buy a little ship that makes me happy? Im sorry, but that is the biggest pile of assholing iv'e ever heard of. In doing that, you are actually engaging in PVP. Let's say you are mining for Veldspar to sell, in order to buy a Brutix. You are: - Reducing the amount of Veldspar available for others to mine - Putting downward pressure on the price of Veldspar - Reducing the number of Brutixes on the market - Putting upward pressure on the price of Brutixes As such you are harming other miners and other people who want to purchase Brutixes for personal (or corporation/alliance) use and helping people who produce Brutixes. Part of a game where your actions matter is that... your actions matter. They change the game for other players, even in small ways, that make a difference. You see this in a big way with events that have become part of EVE's history, like the Gallente Ice Interdiction, where one alliance bought up enormous amounts of a particular mining product, then started shooting at anyone and everyone mining it to produce a short-term crisis of supply. This event lasted a few weeks, caused utter chaos, and while the lost ships of the event are now forgotten, the memory of the event and the story it created remain. All that said, unplanned PVP is rarer than you might think in EVE. I've been attacked in highsec on about ten occasions - less than once per 2-3 months, and I'm online quite a bit. If you fly ships that are commonly associated with new players, you will likely be shot at much, much less. Noone wants to steal from a newbie as they don't have anything worth stealing. As an example, I target mining ships a fair amount. The ships I have destroyed are visible on various public killboards. I have never killed a mining ship worth under 25 million ISK, so a newbie that cannot afford a more expensive ship than that is going to be pretty much safe from me because they'll be beneath my notice. (I also avoid shooting Ventures, the only mining ship a character under 7 days old can fly). https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:17:00 - [26] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Bla bla bla bla bla, i like being an *******. Thats as much as i gather from that. Well don't worry about me, i just uninstalled the game. Thank you for ruining something that kept me one more step from actively stabbing someone with a pen to the throat out of frustration IRL.
J'Poll CDG Playgrounds Affirmative. 3917	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote Pravus Karal wrote: Being reckless?! You mean by going to my local asteroid field which is just a quick warp from the capitol, going out of my way to be out of other's way and earning enough breadcrums to buy a little ship that makes me happy? Im sorry, but that is the biggest pile of assholing iv'e ever heard of. Some people would like to play this as an elaborate screensaver. Something that's nice to look at and makes nice background noises. But no, we can't have that. We need twats that go around with some stupid creed, trolling for the sake of it. ** this, im out of here. Seriously. With reckless Sabriz likely means by not paying attention (being AFK), using autopilot while shipping something highly valuable, doing mining or missioning while under a wardec or just flying around with a ship that has so much pimp modules on it that it becomes a loot-pinata. As for your point: 1. You can move your base to low activity systems. I used to live in a high-sec system in Amarr space that had a general local count that could fit on 1 hand (so less then 5). These were always the same persons in local, so in time you knew what they were doing and what they were flying and thus could spot on D-scan when something was "not normal". This means, GTFO and get yourself safe. 2. You can move away from the general warp in spot of asteroid belts, which makes it marginally harder for them to get to you very quickly (they either need a fleet member near you for a direct warp in or a pre-saved bookmark near you). 3. Nothing prevents you from doing what you want, you just have to play it smart. Learn the ways of the predator and you can understand what to watch for (always keep an eye on local. If you ar emining and you see catalyst on your D-scan...get out). Get to know people / join a corp and have friends around you (safety in numbers - fish don't use that same system because they find it fun...it just works, the chance your neighbour get eaten is bigger if you have more neighbours. The same the other way, you can (counter-)attack a much bigger prey if you are with more people). No offense, but why if you are not going to actively play the game, waste the money on a subscription. That just doesn't sound logically. Then again, I pay $15 / month for couple of chat channels, so I won't judge. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road**
Sabriz Adoudel Mission BLITZ 2433	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:25:00 - [28] - Quote My last 'reckless' loss was running missions when I had a public killright against me (i.e. someone had the right to get revenge against me, and they had made that available to the public, and I wasn't careful enough). Even then - flying around in a 300 million ISK ship with a sign on me saying "You can legally shoot this player if you pay 10m ISK first AND I have a big bounty" it was quite a while before anyone attacked me. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com.
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:26:00 - [29] - Quote J'Poll wrote: No offense, but why if you are not going to actively play the game, waste the money on a subscription. That just doesn't sound logically. Then again, I pay $15 / month for couple of chat channels, so I won't judge. Because my happiness and free time is worth more to me than my money. I always knew i'd be put in the same player pool as angry teenagers who want to vent their frustrations on others from the safety of their bedrooms. But part of me figured that if i go out of my way to stay out of everyone else's way, i'd be free to relax and pretend im a space captain with a nice ship and pretend im exploring... But no. We can't have that. Even in an economy based game where the resources replenish every 24h so there is practically an infinite amount of money going round, no inflation, no devaluing, where everyone would and could go about without stepping on someone's toes. There HAS to be a group of twats who go about attacking people who are no obstacle to them and no reason than "i can attack you so i will". That ruins everything and is no excuse. And since my happiness and free time is worth to me more than my money, EVE suddenly has no value to me anymore. Thanks to idiots like this new order bullcrap.
Pravus Karal Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.04.03 01:31:00 - [30] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: My last 'reckless' loss was running missions when I had a public killright against me (i.e. someone had the right to get revenge against me, and they had made that available to the public, and I wasn't careful enough). Even then - flying around in a 300 million ISK ship with a sign on me saying "You can legally shoot this player if you pay 10m ISK first AND I have a big bounty" it was quite a while before anyone attacked me. I have no interest in fighting some kid with anger issues in a game where it's not necessary. I put my health and life on the line IRL, carrying a gun and a badge. The last thing i want when i get home after a 12 hour shift is to log on to what should be relaxation, only to be jumped by some **** who does it just because he can and no other good reason.

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