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Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
74
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Posted - 2014.04.04 10:57:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Silvara Nocturn wrote:If your afraid of the consequences maybe you shouldn't turn to a life of crime. In game or out? Ive lost track
There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3037
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Posted - 2014.04.04 10:57:00 -
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Bumsicle Wedgie wrote:No. You will get banned.
Do not upset anyone, ever, anywhere.
You have been warned.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1055
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:07:00 -
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Silvara Nocturn wrote:There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal. Only where people on both sides of the fence don't know how to draw the line.
Playing a villain in game should never lead to out of game consequences or threats if playing the villain is done completely within the rules.
Unfortunately they do occur though because those that think they are in the righteous group, don't know how to draw an appropriate line either. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
cpt Mark
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Heiian Conglomerate
10
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:10:00 -
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If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...
No I don't think you should be banned.. I think you should be grabbed by the balls and thrown off the tallest building in a 100 mile radius.. why no further than 100 miles? You aren't worth the petrol.
Hopefully you would have enough time whilst falling in mid-air to think about your actions. |
Ms Kat
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:12:00 -
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Firstly I would like to introduce myself. I am Ms Kat the thorn in the side of many incursion community's.
I have on and off for several months caused billions upon billions in losses and made 30bil +/- in loot in the process.
One of my favourite community's to pester is TVP as they lack good logistics and die a lot, whilst the tears in local/TeamSpeak is hilarious to listen to.
I am aware of a instructed push from some of their members to file numerous petitions to get this account banned, but so far nothing has happened. As long as you stick within the game mechanics and use your own discression and don't take things to far its still all good.
At the end of the day this game is designed to have villains it thrives on them. Just when you are playing the villain remember that there is a person at the other side of the monitor and act accordingly.
Using E1 as a example is ridiculous as what he did clearly went past the line of acceptable
*posting in a not stealthy what so ever - I am a E1 fanboy unban him plox thread |
cpt Mark
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Heiian Conglomerate
10
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:15:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Silvara Nocturn wrote:There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal. Only where people on both sides of the fence don't know how to draw the line. Playing a villain in game should never lead to out of game consequences or threats if playing the villain is done completely within the rules. Unfortunately they do occur though because those that think they are in the righteous group, don't know how to draw an appropriate line either.
The whole point of "mob justice" is that it is a mob... disorganised and chaotic.. the punishments delivered by the mob far outweigh any an authoritative figure would give.
Unfortunately it is hard to track anyone down in EVE, and thus the "mob" makes real world threats and attacks.
Ofc all this is bad publicity for CCP, who have a duty to prevent criminal actions arising out of their business practices.
Therefore, one could argue that CCP is liable within a civil court for any act of violence derived as a result of their game in which the rules allow the "internet bullying" and "abuse" of other players.
Infact, this practice is already unlawful in many countries and could lead to heavy fines imposed by a criminal court. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1632
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:26:00 -
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If you want to be the "bad guy" in Eve, it's totally allowed.
To stay on the safe side though, only engage in "bad guy" activities explicitly allowed by CCP. Keep any contact with your marks/targets to an absolute minimum, and keep it firmly in-game.
Example: AWOX for cash. Join the corp, locate mining fleet, wipe it out. Sit in space. The first, last, and only communication you should have with the AWOXed corp is "Pay me X ISK to leave." Say nothing else, respond to nothing else, post nothing else.
If you do it that way, you won't be banned. Hopefully. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1055
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:31:00 -
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cpt Mark wrote:Unfortunately it is hard to track anyone down in EVE, and thus the "mob" makes real world threats and attacks.
Ofc all this is bad publicity for CCP, who have a duty to prevent criminal actions arising out of their business practices. Aside from the recent E1 threadnaught, I haven't witnessed much mod justice in the game.
The threats come from individuals more so than groups.
James 315 is about the only other character that seems to attract mod thinking, but most of the players who gank, awox and scam in game face threats from the people they interact with.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3038
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Posted - 2014.04.04 11:32:00 -
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cpt Mark wrote:If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...
No I don't think you should be banned.. I think you should be grabbed by the balls and thrown off the tallest building in a 100 mile radius.. why no further than 100 miles? You aren't worth the petrol.
Hopefully you would have enough time whilst falling in mid-air to think about your actions.
Hypocrit is hypocritical
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
75
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Posted - 2014.04.04 12:17:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Silvara Nocturn wrote:There is no difference, if you are the bad guy there is always a chance of "justice" catching up with you. Whether it's criminal justice, social justice or mob justice. If you cross a certain line, you will be caught. That is the price you pay in real life and as shown by recent events in Eve too. In essence it's the risk/reward factor for being a criminal. Only where people on both sides of the fence don't know how to draw the line. Playing a villain in game should never lead to out of game consequences or threats if playing the villain is done completely within the rules. Unfortunately they do occur though because those that think they are in the righteous group, don't know how to draw an appropriate line either.
If your playing a villian you have to break some rules or you're not a villian. If it's within game rules than you are breaking some ethical/moral rules. The problem is that morality is subjective and you can never be sure when exactly you have actually crossed the line.
You seem to have the idea that the "good guys" have to play by the rules but they don't. They are only the "good guys" from the perspective of public opinion. if you see behaviour that needs to be addressed you can bring this to the attention of CCP and they will decide how to deal with it. That is all that has happened to Erotica 1. He crossed a line, people didn't like it and he got banned as a result.
You can be one of the "good guys" too, if you think someone has crossed the line, report him/her and see what happens. Apply public pressure as needed. |
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2947
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Posted - 2014.04.04 12:19:00 -
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It's safe to play the bag guy so long as a manipulative, hacky privileged csm member doesnt start his own personal crusade to make ccp ban you, including inflammatory blog posts that make rather repulsive false equivocations to real life torture, murder, etc
in that case, kiss your account good bye.
You either get banned from the sandbox or live long enough to see it become a themepark |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
3035
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Posted - 2014.04.04 12:53:00 -
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cpt Mark wrote:If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...
No I don't think you should be banned.. I think you should be grabbed by the balls and thrown off the tallest building in a 100 mile radius.. why no further than 100 miles? You aren't worth the petrol.
Hopefully you would have enough time whilst falling in mid-air to think about your actions. So if someone did the exact same bullying to someone that doesn't have suicidal tendencies, what should happen? The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
620
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:17:00 -
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cpt Mark wrote:If you bully and aggravate someone who has suicidal tendencies, tell them to go kill themselves and then they do...
OMG that happened?! Sokhar is dead?
Or does even HE think it was nothing special, that he wasnt tortured, and that the ban is undeserving?
Oh yeah, the second. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
620
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:19:00 -
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Silvara Nocturn wrote:
If your playing a villian you have to break some rules or you're not a villian.
THIS is why EVE has always BEEN a great game in the past and wont be anymore: The shades of grey the rules USED to be. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1407
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:34:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Silvara Nocturn wrote:
If your playing a villian you have to break some rules or you're not a villian.
THIS is why EVE has always BEEN a great game in the past and wont be anymore: The shades of grey the rules USED to be.
You (and others like you) know pretty well that's not true but you're having your fingers in lalala land and play the butt hurt 14 year old role.
Oh well, whatever you're happy with. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3042
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:35:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote: you're having your fingers in lalala land and play the butt
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HAWT *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Deviant X
Deviant Inc
43
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Posted - 2014.04.04 13:54:00 -
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The GAME needs bad guys and gals. Period. The game would be horrible if there was zero risk, zero drama, and all we saw or felt was pretty rainbows.
Having said that, I think the community could use a little work on knowing when something has gone too far. Then it no longer becomes a GAME to all parties included in the situation.
So be bad ... responsibly because this is a game meant to be enjoyed by all parties. |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2951
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:15:00 -
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Sadly, some members of the community, including Ripard, want the zero risk, zero drama themepark. Thats what all this drama is about at the end of the day: A campaign to reduce how big of a d-bag you can be to other players. That's his shtick.
I mean Ripard honestly believes in the concept of isk tanking, and that if his ship cost X, then it should cost you greater than X to kill it.
And players who don't abide by that concept, and use a cheap fit catalysts to kill 250m exhumers, well he'll compare those players to rapists and the like in order to try and make people hate them.
He's the scummiest blogger/csm/whatever I know about, even worse now that he's actively using his visibility to CCP and the wider games media to pressure CCP directly. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:23:00 -
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PLAYING the bad guy in game is perfectly fine. Actually being an evil person and just using the game to pick your victims for torture is not. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3043
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:23:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:PLAYING the bad guy in game is perfectly fine. Actually being an evil person and just using the game to pick your victims for torture is not.
Agreed
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
108
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:54:00 -
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Eaon Fallion wrote:I have never scammed or cheated another player in this game. But the players that DO scam make the game more fun for me. Awoxers make recruiting a FUN, INTERESTING event with reason not to just accept anyone in. If they do make it in, the game goes to the next level and the corp has to deal with an awoxer! Much better than killing red crosses! Gives you a chance to see the mettle of your corpmates and the resilience of your corp.
I have thought of making a new character to do a safari, like on the Eve Villain blog. However, after the banning of Erotica1 I have been second guessing this. If one of the people I awox has a mental disorder, or exaggerates any emotional anguish, can my account(s) be banned without warning if I cross this invisible line? I don't plan to 'torture' anyone and knowing myself I will probably feel bad after an Orca dies and reimburse the guy I kill. But you never know how people will take losing their space pixels...
My question is this: How can I 'safely' play a bad guy without putting my subscription at risk? What is the 'invisible line' defined as? (I hear suicide comments every 2 seconds in local, but if they say they will kill themselves if they don't get their stuff back is that an auto-win against scamming?)
**Edit: Saw the similar posts. Sorry to basically repost.
You can still safely play the 'bad guy' and do all the activities that pilots used to do such as miner bumping, ransoms, suicide ganking, ISK scams, trade window scams(Personally I think that one should be stopped.), AWOXing and anything else I've forgotten to list.
What you shouldn't do is use EVE Voice or any other voice software as a conduit to conduct your 'bad guy' activities. Even if the victim wants to talk to you using voice software DON'T do it. Then I think it will be very hard for anyone to have proof to get you banned.
There is also the other rule, which I believe is a CCP official one, that if are using non-lethal means to attack a pilot such as miner-bumping etc then you shouldn't pursue them over multiple systems. Also don't attack new pilots in the main rookie systems. That's about it I think. |
Amyclas Amatin
Novus Ordo Rangers
206
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:11:00 -
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Or... join a bad guy's union, if you get banned your union can troll EVE endlessly.
Minerbumping Belligerent Undesirables The Ninja communities
And there's always the CFC, which will soon enter into war with the ancient enemy that is high-sec. For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ High-Sec has a future, But do You? Buy a Mining Permit to Secure yours today. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4647
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:22:00 -
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Eaon Fallion wrote:I have never scammed or cheated another player in this game. But the players that DO scam make the game more fun for me. Awoxers make recruiting a FUN, INTERESTING event with reason not to just accept anyone in. If they do make it in, the game goes to the next level and the corp has to deal with an awoxer! Much better than killing red crosses! Gives you a chance to see the mettle of your corpmates and the resilience of your corp.
I have thought of making a new character to do a safari, like on the Eve Villain blog. However, after the banning of Erotica1 I have been second guessing this. If one of the people I awox has a mental disorder, or exaggerates any emotional anguish, can my account(s) be banned without warning if I cross this invisible line? I don't plan to 'torture' anyone and knowing myself I will probably feel bad after an Orca dies and reimburse the guy I kill. But you never know how people will take losing their space pixels...
My question is this: How can I 'safely' play a bad guy without putting my subscription at risk? What is the 'invisible line' defined as? (I hear suicide comments every 2 seconds in local, but if they say they will kill themselves if they don't get their stuff back is that an auto-win against scamming?)
**Edit: Saw the similar posts. Sorry to basically repost.
It's safe as long as you don't make it all about TEARS! OOOH LOOK AT ME I GOT TEARS! and then pass the video/audio/hate mail around the way pedos share their exploits (or other comparable creepiness centered on such actions).
CCP says you can scam and gank to your heart's desire but reserve the right to judge you if you display fetishistic behavior around their content and whether or not they want their content to be associated with your meta-jollies.
They didn't use the term "fetishistic" but until the greifing community can explain exactly what they feel they gain out of sharing the hatemails and audios of people going ballistic I'm going to call it that.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
831
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:27:00 -
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Eaon Fallion wrote:I have never scammed or cheated another player in this game. But the players that DO scam make the game more fun for me. Awoxers make recruiting a FUN, INTERESTING event with reason not to just accept anyone in. If they do make it in, the game goes to the next level and the corp has to deal with an awoxer! Much better than killing red crosses! Gives you a chance to see the mettle of your corpmates and the resilience of your corp.
I have thought of making a new character to do a safari, like on the Eve Villain blog. However, after the banning of Erotica1 I have been second guessing this. If one of the people I awox has a mental disorder, or exaggerates any emotional anguish, can my account(s) be banned without warning if I cross this invisible line? I don't plan to 'torture' anyone and knowing myself I will probably feel bad after an Orca dies and reimburse the guy I kill. But you never know how people will take losing their space pixels...
My question is this: How can I 'safely' play a bad guy without putting my subscription at risk? What is the 'invisible line' defined as? (I hear suicide comments every 2 seconds in local, but if they say they will kill themselves if they don't get their stuff back is that an auto-win against scamming?)
**Edit: Saw the similar posts. Sorry to basically repost. This.
Would you like to know more? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
626
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:00:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Sadly, some members of the community, including Ripard, want the zero risk, zero drama themepark. Thats what all this drama is about at the end of the day: A campaign to reduce how big of a d-bag you can be to other players. That's his shtick.
I mean Ripard honestly believes in the concept of isk tanking, and that if his ship cost X, then it should cost you greater than X to kill it.
And players who don't abide by that concept, and use a cheap fit catalysts to kill 250m exhumers, well he'll compare those players to rapists and the like in order to try and make people hate them.
He's the scummiest blogger/csm/whatever I know about, even worse now that he's actively using his visibility to CCP and the wider games media to pressure CCP directly.
Someone needs to write a blog post and call for Ripard's banning.
PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
9
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Precentor Saggitus wrote:Personally I don't understand the desire to become a space-telemarketer or a space nigerian prince.
What's the appeal here? Maybe its just me but the amount this goes on seems to have increased substantially since I started playing EVE. We like being filthy rich.
Does it really get that much isk for the effort though? I mean if one plotted out how much time one spent sitting in Jita or wherever, spamming the local with one's latest shill. I mean working at it, I can easily earn roughly 60 mil ISK/hr in various other activities, so playing scammer would have to turn more than that if ISK was the real reason people do it.
It even seems to me that the scam market is flooded at the moment with every wannabe next big drama creator, even to the point where one is starting to see guys spamming their scam in the lesser market hubs and one night there was a fellow even wandering through some low population systems (less than ten people in local) looking for a victim.
So for every scammer making a big score, there's probably ten or more who spend a bunch of hours at it with no hits. From wandering the spacelanes, that number is growing.
Personally I'm suprised that one of the scammer hasn't started a pyramid scheme and has scammers working under him, until eventually he runs away with it all, and the scammers get scammed. Seeing as how many new scammers want to get into this market. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |
White Pauder
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:02:00 -
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Ban riptard then he can stop crying about all the bad people in eve and why its ruining his hello kitty island adventure game. I have his real name btw. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3055
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:08:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: pedos
fetishistic behavior
greifing
Because when people get hyperbolic about what is basically yanking someones chain who is too stupid to realise theyve been had and cant admit their mistake, it makes a person feel superior
God forbid they should enjoy their success, whether you find it acceptable or not.
People are judging the output now and not the act itself in an attempt to villify everything to do with the situation, whether it is right, wrong or pointless
Personally I believe that the only reason to use hyperbole is to illicit an emotional reaction from allies and enemies in an unsubtle fashion
Whats wrong with liking feet and pictures of shoes anyway? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
626
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:22:00 -
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White Pauder wrote:Ban riptard then he can stop crying about all the bad people in eve and why its ruining his hello kitty island adventure game. I have his real name btw.
Total agreement right there. PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
2996
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:51:00 -
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Did I miss something? Has CCP started a pogrom against rude and unkind people? Or are grieferbears/scammerbears/lulzbears just a little panicky right now? |
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