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Herzav Perkone Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.04.04 18:09:00 - [31] - Quote Solo PvP is ded even in FW? Oh noes I'm gonna quit eve, I only liked Solo pvp but if its blobbing its a noes noes noes.
Precentor Saggitus Planet Express Transport 11	Posted - 2014.04.04 18:39:00 - [32] - Quote Hal Morsh wrote: Yeah solo pvp still exists id assume you just have to make it quick before it becomes 10vs1. That's part of the gruond work. Watch who frequents local, who are they together with? Check out the POSes, see who they belong to, check the POCOs. Check corp stats, current wars, you name it. Know thy enemy... Also set a precendent for yourself. Sometimes it may be worth losing a few ships to see what they got, what they like to do. Cheap frigs or industrials. Ventures are good for this. You might want to pretend to be more noobish, get caught with a bad fit, you know, lasers on a rifter, that sort of thing. Do a bit of mining, you'd be suprised how uncareful some people get if they think they can get a quick "carebear" kill. I always reccomend to people to read the old "EVE's guide to piracy" lots of the standard tactics and necessary knowledge. Stuff there that's need to know even if you don't want to specifically PvP so you can save your own tail if you're the hunted. For the newbie reading this: I got hundreds of safe spots planned out in null sec, low sec, high sec and WH space. If you don't know what a safe spot is and you're reading this, you have your first bit of homework if you want to survive EVE. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.
Herzav Perkone Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.04.04 18:51:00 - [33] - Quote Precentor Saggitus wrote: Hal Morsh wrote: Yeah solo pvp still exists id assume you just have to make it quick before it becomes 10vs1. That's part of the gruond work. Watch who frequents local, who are they together with? Check out the POSes, see who they belong to, check the POCOs. Check corp stats, current wars, you name it. Know thy enemy... Also set a precendent for yourself. Sometimes it may be worth losing a few ships to see what they got, what they like to do. Cheap frigs or industrials. Ventures are good for this. You might want to pretend to be more noobish, get caught with a bad fit, you know, lasers on a rifter, that sort of thing. Do a bit of mining, you'd be suprised how uncareful some people get if they think they can get a quick "carebear" kill. I always reccomend to people to read the old "EVE's guide to piracy" lots of the standard tactics and necessary knowledge. Stuff there that's need to know even if you don't want to specifically PvP so you can save your own tail if you're the hunted. For the newbie reading this: I got hundreds of safe spots planned out in null sec, low sec, high sec and WH space. If you don't know what a safe spot is and you're reading this, you have your first bit of homework if you want to survive EVE. Bookmarks? Safe Spots? PFT hisec is safe PFFFFFTTTTTT who needs that? I just warp gate to gate. Said one noob once.
Shizuken Venerated Stars 282	Posted - 2014.04.04 18:53:00 - [34] - Quote ImYourMom wrote: No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject I have this feeling that the usual suspects ought to be in here assaulting you with all the same arguments they throw at carebears that want to avoid unwanted confrontation and play by themselves in isolation. However no one seems to be doing so, so let me try on their behalf. Quote: This is a PvP mmo. You have no right to be left alone. You consent to getting killed by overwhelming odds by undocking. You have no valid claim to one on one PvP. Stop trying to change the game to fit YOUR playstyle. Stop trying to make this a themepark. If you want one on one PvP go back to WoW. Did I get that right?
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 1636	Posted - 2014.04.04 18:56:00 - [35] - Quote Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).
KnowUsByTheDead Krypteia Operations CODE. 1224	Posted - 2014.04.04 18:59:00 - [36] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. I lol'd. +1 Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á
Herzav Perkone Caldari State 18	Posted - 2014.04.04 19:37:00 - [37] - Quote Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. You broke my heart, you really did. I was looking forward to some solo FW. HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW HUH?
Lady Areola Fappington New Order Logistics CODE. 1638	Posted - 2014.04.04 19:40:00 - [38] - Quote Herzav wrote: Lady Areola Fappington wrote: Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. You broke my heart, you really did. I was looking forward to some solo FW. HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW HUH? I'm so very sorry! Since it appears that you are at your emotional breaking point, I'll lay off now. Plz don't reports me! GF GG o7o7 M8M8! The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP).
Liam Inkuras Aunenen Civil Liberties Union 913	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:01:00 - [39] - Quote BSBlyfe. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Vyl Vit 626	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:02:00 - [40] - Quote Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy. CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses. There you go. Anyone with any sense has already left town.
Starbuck05 Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum 167	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:18:00 - [41] - Quote Vyl Vit wrote: Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy. CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses. There you go. +10 -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ??
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 126	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:18:00 - [42] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means! Pizza vs Pasta? Clearly both. Couldn't ever want one to believe I like it more than the other, really. :D
Kudos12345 Republic University Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:25:00 - [43] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means! Pizza vs Pasta? Pizza hands down.
Solecist Project Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 127	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:29:00 - [44] - Quote Starbuck05 wrote: Vyl Vit wrote: Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy. CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses. There you go. +10 If you agree with him, then you're both wrong. Fair fights do not exist. They are an artificial idea made up by humans. If you don't believe me, then ask Nature. Or a biologist. The only "fair" fights that exist in nature are childsplay. They aren't actually fights. Just like when a lion roars "in pain", to encourage his kid to keep biting. And now you people come blaming the people or CCP. Tell you what ... there's nobody to blame. Nobody. The whole idea of blame is completely wacko. Nature simply works that way. That's how EVE works. More is better, stronger/smarter is better. It's natural. What you people are complaining about is the very fact that the laws of nature apply to EVE ONLINE and that you can't handle it, else you wouldn't complain about it. You believe CCP gave in to some suckers (as you said), completely ignoring the fact that CCP never had a choice to begin with. It simply isn't possible to think up a system that "does not screw the solo player", because that's not how mathematics works. There will always be people who group up. Without artificial limits there is no way CCP ever can do anything about that. Asking for artificial limits, though, is stupid ! That's what all the other games offer! People will always group up, just like lots of animals tend to stick together in groups. And that is the reason why solo play "is dead". (from your POV anyway) (Disclaimer: I am deliberately ignoring the fact that some people here don't understand what PvP means)
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 1315	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:34:00 - [45] - Quote What is dead may never die.
Rainbow Dash Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 99	Posted - 2014.04.04 20:40:00 - [46] - Quote I solo PVP all the time on my alt. Sure it's challenging, but that is what makes it fun. I guess I'm just doing it wrong.
Tear Jar The Conference Elite CODE. 82	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:19:00 - [47] - Quote Tacomaco wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Suicide ganking Right, kill the miner/industrial before the "concorded" countdown is over. If that's what you call PvP, then yes, solo PvP is dead PvP in Eve starts when you are fitting your ship and undocking. Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Just because they opt to not do any of these things and are helpless when the catalyst engages, doesn't mean its not PvP. Its no different than combat ship v combat ship. There are tons of unwinnable fights because on guy fit the wrong modules. Edit: To add, if you are looking for a 1v1 against an equal opponent, join a tournament. Roaming low sec is the wrong way to do it.
Nick Starkey Interstellar Steel Templis CALSF 30	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:34:00 - [48] - Quote http://s28.postimg.org/g54c4wrgt/vt_SZjz4.jpg Jokes aside, solo PVP in this game is only a self-imposed challenge. There is no real reward or encouragement for doing it, other than not relying on other people and doing it as soon as you want to witouth external causes. In the grand scheme of things (what eve is about), it's not supposed to be fair or be a really viable activity. I do roam a lot by myself because I find it fun against the odds, though. Eve would be a painfully boring game if it worked like a 1v1 arena.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 14966	Posted - 2014.04.04 21:59:00 - [49] - Quote ImYourMom wrote: No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject Solo PvP died in 2005 don't make me link you the threads 1 Kings 12:11
Alastair Ormand Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now. 62	Posted - 2014.04.04 22:24:00 - [50] - Quote Not a word of lie I tried solo PvP. Got hot dropped by a 100 Man fleet. Drones got aggression timer so I couldn't jump thru the gate. Dead to me.
Precentor Saggitus Planet Express Transport 14	Posted - 2014.04.04 22:32:00 - [51] - Quote Starbuck05 wrote: Vyl Vit wrote: Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy. CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses. There you go. +10 If the fight is fair, you've done it wrong. Solo or not. If you want to whine about it being fair, go duel outside of Orgrimmar. But then that's the challenge of solo (and small group) PvP. As above, its a self imposed challenge. You need to think like a wolf pack of u-boats. Your objective relies a lot on being prepared and right timing. Hence the reward of it. I love it when a plan comes together. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service 354	Posted - 2014.04.04 22:35:00 - [52] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: [Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Bolded the best part. U so funny. Stick to ganking miners.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 4408	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:01:00 - [53] - Quote Numbers have always been the best force multiplier. So I guess the answer to your question is yes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." -áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
Bloodmyst Ranwar War Toys Inc 129	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:27:00 - [54] - Quote Solo PvP is far from dead. It's literally the methods utilized to hunt for such fights/targets. For example, very different methods are used hunting for Ratters and Miners then the methods used to hunt for fleets that may be getting around in the same region or a region away from you. I believe there is much greater emphasis on the "hunt" when soloing then what there is when getting around in a fleet. Also, be smart about what ship and fitting type you are getting around in. Don't always use cookie cutter fits, mix it up where necessary depending what type of target you are hunting. For example, fitting out a Firetail to find fights with cruisers is very different to how you would fit out a Firetail to hunt Interceptors. Don't listen to these fruit loops telling you "Solo PvP is dead" and "Eve is not a solo game." You just need to be smarter then the average fleet of lemmings getting around. This really isn't hard by the way. Think about it, you are already thinking about how the fight will start. what you will do during and how the fight will end. The fleet is just thinking about how to hit the approach button and press F1.
Tear Jar The Conference Elite CODE. 82	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:43:00 - [55] - Quote Vladimir Norkoff wrote: Tear Jar wrote: [Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Bolded the best part. U so funny. Stick to ganking miners. It can work, but it will cut into the miners precious isk/hr.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5328	Posted - 2014.04.04 23:53:00 - [56] - Quote Tear Jar wrote: PvP in Eve starts when you are fitting your ship and undocking. Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Just because they opt to not do any of these things and are helpless when the catalyst engages, doesn't mean its not PvP. Its no different than combat ship v combat ship. There are tons of unwinnable fights because on guy fit the wrong modules. Edit: To add, if you are looking for a 1v1 against an equal opponent, join a tournament. Roaming low sec is the wrong way to do it. Actually it starts earlier, from the minerals (ices too) that made the ships which were bought (also) from me. I have won before you even get to fitting the ship. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders 85	Posted - 2014.04.05 00:07:00 - [57] - Quote Solo PVP is alive and well. Want proof? Fit a ship, undock it alone, go have some fun. Got blobbed? So what? As long as you are alone, it's solo PVP. Challenging, rewarding, exhilarating. Don't limit yourself to 1v1s - though you will find them if you know what to fly and where. Don't define your success exclusively as 'holding the field' - in a 1v many, killing a few of 'em while going down in a ball of fire is a victory. Or killing one and managing to gtfo. Don't obsess about killboard efficiency - solo PVP is risky business, even if you're good. You need to put decent equipment on the field, and you will lose it regularly (unless you run from any real challenge). EVE isn't a 'fair and honourable duel simulator', going solo is a big challenge and that's exactly why it's awesome. So stop whining and embrace the long and painful path to PVP excellence!
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 535	Posted - 2014.04.05 00:19:00 - [58] - Quote You run into solo pvpers in losec all the time with their solo scout alt and solo tackle alt.
Machagon Plate of Beans Incorporated Solar Destiny 61	Posted - 2014.04.05 00:54:00 - [59] - Quote I spend a LOT of time flying solo (true solo) around FW space in a firetail. I never ask for duels. I primarily dscan people in novice/small plexes. When I find another solo frigate (or, sometime two), I go in for the kill. Usually, they run. Sometimes I catch them. Sometimes they stay to fight intentionally. Sometimes, when that happens, they have friends. Nonetheless, in the average hour of solo FW roaming, I will get two 1v1 fights and get blobbed once(and by blobbed, I just mean the guy has four friends to back him up). As far as I'm concerned, that means solo PVP is alive and well. Pick your targets, pick your ships (if you mean solo Megathron, then, yes, it's dead), accept that you can be trapped and beaten by superior numbers. Fly something with high DPS and get a feel for how to separate a single pilot from their fleet long enough to kill them. It takes some practice, but I am a pretty terrible PVP pilot and I still manage to do it.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation 373	Posted - 2014.04.05 02:35:00 - [60] - Quote Just don't go for the obvious solo hero ships and you will find all the solo pvp you can stomach. SJD I invented Tiericide

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