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ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:34:00 -
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No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread 
Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing.
Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3048
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:36:00 -
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No
Bombing scanners (All Scanners Must Die)
Bombing WH interlopers (See above)
Suicide ganking
Rifter Drifting (still viable)
Escape? Its a bonus tbh *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Tacomaco
No Taxes just fun
50
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Posted - 2014.04.04 14:44:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: Suicide ganking
Right, kill the miner/industrial before the "concorded" countdown is over. If that's what you call PvP, then yes, solo PvP is dead |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3050
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:00:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Suicide ganking
Right, kill the miner/industrial before the "concorded" countdown is over. If that's what you call PvP, then yes, solo PvP is dead
How is it the attackers fault if the defender refuses to defend himself?
By that argument once to web tackle and ECM a target the battle ceases to become PVP
You dont accept a suicide gank as PVP, but instapopping a Scanner boat with a bomb is? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1220
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:01:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
Suicide ganking
Right, kill the miner/industrial before the "concorded" countdown is over. If that's what you call PvP, then yes, solo PvP is dead
Player(s) versus player(s), or PvP, is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants. This is in contrast to games where players compete against computer controlled opponents, which is correspondingly referred to as player versus environment (PvE).
Now understanding this definition, two players can engage in "PvP" irregardless of ship types. So yes, suicide ganking is PvP.
'Lemme break out the crayons for ya.
Ummmmm......
Multiplayer. Check.
Interactive. Check.
Conflict. Check.
"Two or more." Check.
Live participants. Check.
So yea, PvP. Check, check, check.

*edit*
I fixed quote. CCP....fix forums. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Prince Kobol
1633
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:09:00 -
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when was it ever alive? |

KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1220
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:11:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:when was it ever alive?
Not empty quoting.
Everything in EvE is sooooooooooooo much better with other people. Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
Arcbound Inc.
191
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:No
Bombing scanners (All Scanners Must Die)
Bombing WH interlopers (See above)
Suicide ganking
Rifter Drifting (still viable)
Escape? Its a bonus tbh
Seconded. Also, I have a room full of Assault Frigates that would like to have a word with OP. |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:29:00 -
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Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means! |

Forumata Altaris
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:48:00 -
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Could someone please explain what "Rifter Drifting" refers to as I haven't seen that before?
My guess would be something like: "take a frigate and roam space until you find target. Called rifter drifting because the rifter used to be the best ship for this back in the day" or similar ? |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5042
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:50:00 -
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What you call solo PVP, I call AFK cloaking.
And it's doing just fine. Far from dead.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
570
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:51:00 -
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If you're looking for a serious answer,and I take it you're talking the '1v1 both ships combat fit and readyGäó" solo PvP then try out Faction Warfare. You will still get blobbed, blueballed, and falcon-alt-ed, but it sill offers more opportunities of your vision of solo pvp then most other areas.
Ok now that nice me is done . . . Predditor hunting Prey is 99.9% of the solo pvp out there (and personally my favorite). With as big as Eve is the likelyhood of two roaming pilots looking to get a gudfite is slim to none. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4273
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Posted - 2014.04.04 15:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:What you call solo PVP, I call AFK cloaking. And it's doing just fine. Far from dead. Mr Epeen 
Ahh, still out there doing dog's work eh?
I need to start doing that again. Maybe I'll solicit the locals to sing songs of my choosing to get me to leave and record it all for........
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1315
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Posted - 2014.04.04 16:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:when was it ever alive?
We (Tri) have a phrase for people that solo pvp. "Frequent visitors to jita".
May ECM ships forever be the answer to the question " is solo pvp a good thing?" *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2173
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:00:00 -
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No offence, but threads about this issue have been dead for some time. This is not a signature. |

Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
99
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:13:00 -
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Honestly I have never had much taste for solo PvP. Now duo PvP.. two people in two different ships and covering the others weaknesses is some of the best fun to have in PvP. Especially when the pilots know each other really well.
Solo PvP is nice and all... but a duo and small gang is where it is at in my opinion, it gives you much more of an experience than solo.
So is solo dead? no.. Is it not common? yes.. -Bl+¦d |

Oblivion Soderberg
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:21:00 -
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#bsb |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
505
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:22:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means!
Pizza vs Pasta? |

Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
9
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:24:00 -
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Solo PvP takes a lot of patience, hence why its so rare among the EVE community. It is fun and rewarding when it does pay off. Sometimes its enough even if you don't get a kill out of it, but come out on the better side and they have to run. Other times its somewhat amusing to have the tables turned and become the hunted. Lots of times, you got to do a lot of prep work to lay the ground for a single encounter, yet you can't let your own activities become a recognizable pattern.
Often its a complex game of Rock, Paper, Scissors. If you want to win, you got to figure out what they like to choose. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
4275
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:27:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means! Pizza vs Pasta?
People vs. Ponies
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |

Hal Morsh
The Witch's Hammer
105
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:28:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:
Pizza vs Pasta?
I was about to horribly pervert that. Yeah solo pvp still exists id assume you just have to make it quick before it becomes 10vs1. I enjoy a good session of mining. |

Agondray
Dark Forge Enterprise Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
84
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:29:00 -
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Yeah I don't cout ganking as pvp. The chance to defend? When you do 3-4 collies and pop the lowest income class in the game using a corpmate or isoboxing there's hardly a chance for defense. Which I've also see mission ships ganked tank on my 10-11 cata, lasted as long as a miner or freighter does regardless And not a lot of defense going on against alpha. Gankers just come from wow to get more tears because the people they kill in town only has to walk back to the body. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3055
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:30:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Yeah I don't cout ganking as pvp. The chance to defend? When you do 3-4 collies and pop the lowest income class in the game using a corpmate or isoboxing there's hardly a chance for defense. Which I've also see mission ships ganked tank on my 10-11 cata, lasted as long as a miner or freighter does regardless And not a lot of defense going on against alpha. Gankers just come from wow to get more tears because the people they kill in town only has to walk back to the body.
Your fits must look terrible if you believe any of this rubbish to be true
Put down the bong and watch D-SCAN and local ffs if no one wants to be your friend and fly with you *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |

Starbuck05
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
167
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:36:00 -
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I can only give 1more advice apart from what the rest already said.
Try to find out where like minded people live in low sec, form a kindah "friendship" with them. Cause if you get or ask for a nice 1v1 most of the time people will honor it and if they see you hanging there often pretty soon ull have all the fights ud want. Thats pretty much what i did with a gal mil corp. Granted they still wanna gank my ass from time to time but hey thats the game,can't help it :)
Fw is good for this stuff , roam around the citadel/black rise region. Those are good spots but just to be sure to keep away from the so called "leet" pvp entities like assbox and such. These people will say they will give you a fight but in reality they are just ******** who always bring somethin that drasticaly counters your set up or blob or use links etc etc you get the ideea -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |

Obvious Cyno
The Scope Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:37:00 -
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http://youtu.be/kpyy6-eg2y0
Just gonna leave that there. |

Verlyn
Sisters of Xambu
16
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:41:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread  Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject
FW or piracy in FW space.
Solo peeveepee allll the ******* tiiiime!!!! |

Ayuren Aakiwa
Four Letter Incantation
99
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:46:00 -
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OP your not trying hard enough, or possibly not adapting your tactics based on your surroundings. Solo pvp is very much alive though Street Rules ***** idgaf |

leich
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
45
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:48:00 -
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Yes move on! |

Desivo Delta Visseroff
Arcbound Inc.
195
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:50:00 -
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Everything in this game is pvp to one extent or another. Some days I pvp for rage & tears, very effectively, without ever firing a shot. How 
.................................................. My secret, but it includes stabs, a cloak, bookmarks and a hostile gang. After an 15-20 minutes of never leaving their local and popping up on different parts of their grid, you wouldn't imagine the frustration and the frothing. The occasional ninja looting while they sperg at you is a nice bonus
You'd be surprised how few points the average fleet has
|

Thead Enco
Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn
126
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Posted - 2014.04.04 17:54:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread  Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject
It was never alive to begin with
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |

Herzav
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:09:00 -
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Solo PvP is ded even in FW? Oh noes I'm gonna quit eve, I only liked Solo pvp but if its blobbing its a noes noes noes. |

Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
11
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:39:00 -
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Hal Morsh wrote: Yeah solo pvp still exists id assume you just have to make it quick before it becomes 10vs1.
That's part of the gruond work. Watch who frequents local, who are they together with? Check out the POSes, see who they belong to, check the POCOs. Check corp stats, current wars, you name it.
Know thy enemy...
Also set a precendent for yourself. Sometimes it may be worth losing a few ships to see what they got, what they like to do. Cheap frigs or industrials. Ventures are good for this. You might want to pretend to be more noobish, get caught with a bad fit, you know, lasers on a rifter, that sort of thing. Do a bit of mining, you'd be suprised how uncareful some people get if they think they can get a quick "carebear" kill.
I always reccomend to people to read the old "EVE's guide to piracy" lots of the standard tactics and necessary knowledge. Stuff there that's need to know even if you don't want to specifically PvP so you can save your own tail if you're the hunted.
For the newbie reading this: I got hundreds of safe spots planned out in null sec, low sec, high sec and WH space. If you don't know what a safe spot is and you're reading this, you have your first bit of homework if you want to survive EVE. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |

Herzav
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:51:00 -
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Precentor Saggitus wrote:Hal Morsh wrote: Yeah solo pvp still exists id assume you just have to make it quick before it becomes 10vs1.
That's part of the gruond work. Watch who frequents local, who are they together with? Check out the POSes, see who they belong to, check the POCOs. Check corp stats, current wars, you name it. Know thy enemy... Also set a precendent for yourself. Sometimes it may be worth losing a few ships to see what they got, what they like to do. Cheap frigs or industrials. Ventures are good for this. You might want to pretend to be more noobish, get caught with a bad fit, you know, lasers on a rifter, that sort of thing. Do a bit of mining, you'd be suprised how uncareful some people get if they think they can get a quick "carebear" kill. I always reccomend to people to read the old "EVE's guide to piracy" lots of the standard tactics and necessary knowledge. Stuff there that's need to know even if you don't want to specifically PvP so you can save your own tail if you're the hunted. For the newbie reading this: I got hundreds of safe spots planned out in null sec, low sec, high sec and WH space. If you don't know what a safe spot is and you're reading this, you have your first bit of homework if you want to survive EVE.
Bookmarks? Safe Spots? PFT hisec is safe PFFFFFTTTTTT who needs that? I just warp gate to gate.
Said one noob once. |

Shizuken
Venerated Stars
282
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:53:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread  Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject
I have this feeling that the usual suspects ought to be in here assaulting you with all the same arguments they throw at carebears that want to avoid unwanted confrontation and play by themselves in isolation. However no one seems to be doing so, so let me try on their behalf.
Quote:This is a PvP mmo. You have no right to be left alone. You consent to getting killed by overwhelming odds by undocking. You have no valid claim to one on one PvP. Stop trying to change the game to fit YOUR playstyle. Stop trying to make this a themepark. If you want one on one PvP go back to WoW.
Did I get that right? |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1636
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:56:00 -
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Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1224
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Posted - 2014.04.04 18:59:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
I lol'd.
+1 Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á |

Herzav
Perkone Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.04.04 19:37:00 -
[37] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.
You broke my heart, you really did. I was looking forward to some solo FW.
HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW HUH? |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1638
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Posted - 2014.04.04 19:40:00 -
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Herzav wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Solo PVP isn't dead! You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. You broke my heart, you really did. I was looking forward to some solo FW. HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW HUH?
I'm so very sorry! Since it appears that you are at your emotional breaking point, I'll lay off now. Plz don't reports me!
GF GG o7o7 M8M8! The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Liam Inkuras
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
913
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:01:00 -
[39] - Quote
BSBlyfe. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |

Vyl Vit
626
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:02:00 -
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Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.
CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.
There you go. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |

Starbuck05
Evil Monkey Asylum Evil Monkeys Asylum
167
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:18:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.
CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.
There you go.
+10
-á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:18:00 -
[42] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means! Pizza vs Pasta? Clearly both. Couldn't ever want one to believe I like it more than the other, really. :D |

Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:25:00 -
[43] - Quote
Caviar Liberta wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Oh look mom! There are still people left who don't know what PvP means! Pizza vs Pasta?
Pizza hands down.
|

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:29:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.
CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.
There you go. +10 If you agree with him, then you're both wrong.
Fair fights do not exist. They are an artificial idea made up by humans. If you don't believe me, then ask Nature. Or a biologist.
The only "fair" fights that exist in nature are childsplay. They aren't actually fights. Just like when a lion roars "in pain", to encourage his kid to keep biting.
And now you people come blaming the people or CCP.
Tell you what ... there's nobody to blame. Nobody. The whole idea of blame is completely wacko.
Nature simply works that way. That's how EVE works.
More is better, stronger/smarter is better. It's natural.
What you people are complaining about is the very fact that the laws of nature apply to EVE ONLINE and that you can't handle it, else you wouldn't complain about it.
You believe CCP gave in to some suckers (as you said), completely ignoring the fact that CCP never had a choice to begin with. It simply isn't possible to think up a system that "does not screw the solo player", because that's not how mathematics works.
There will always be people who group up. Without artificial limits there is no way CCP ever can do anything about that. Asking for artificial limits, though, is *stupid* ! That's what all the other games offer!
People will always group up, just like lots of animals tend to stick together in groups.
And that is the reason why solo play "is dead". (from your POV anyway)
(Disclaimer: I am deliberately ignoring the fact that some people here don't understand what PvP means) |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1315
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:34:00 -
[45] - Quote
What is dead may never die. |

Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
99
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Posted - 2014.04.04 20:40:00 -
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I solo PVP all the time on my alt. Sure it's challenging, but that is what makes it fun.
I guess I'm just doing it wrong. |

Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
82
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Posted - 2014.04.04 21:19:00 -
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Tacomaco wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Suicide ganking
Right, kill the miner/industrial before the "concorded" countdown is over. If that's what you call PvP, then yes, solo PvP is dead
PvP in Eve starts when you are fitting your ship and undocking. Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Just because they opt to not do any of these things and are helpless when the catalyst engages, doesn't mean its not PvP.
Its no different than combat ship v combat ship. There are tons of unwinnable fights because on guy fit the wrong modules.
Edit: To add, if you are looking for a 1v1 against an equal opponent, join a tournament. Roaming low sec is the wrong way to do it. |

Nick Starkey
Interstellar Steel Templis CALSF
30
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Posted - 2014.04.04 21:34:00 -
[48] - Quote
http://s28.postimg.org/g54c4wrgt/vt_SZjz4.jpg
Jokes aside, solo PVP in this game is only a self-imposed challenge. There is no real reward or encouragement for doing it, other than not relying on other people and doing it as soon as you want to witouth external causes. In the grand scheme of things (what eve is about), it's not supposed to be fair or be a really viable activity. I do roam a lot by myself because I find it fun against the odds, though. Eve would be a painfully boring game if it worked like a 1v1 arena. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14966
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Posted - 2014.04.04 21:59:00 -
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ImYourMom wrote:No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread  Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject
Solo PvP died in 2005
don't make me link you the threads
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Alastair Ormand
Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now.
62
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:24:00 -
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Not a word of lie I tried solo PvP. Got hot dropped by a 100 Man fleet. Drones got aggression timer so I couldn't jump thru the gate. Dead to me. |

Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
14
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:32:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.
CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.
There you go. +10
If the fight is fair, you've done it wrong. Solo or not. If you want to whine about it being fair, go duel outside of Orgrimmar.
But then that's the challenge of solo (and small group) PvP. As above, its a self imposed challenge. You need to think like a wolf pack of u-boats. Your objective relies a lot on being prepared and right timing. Hence the reward of it. I love it when a plan comes together. Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |

Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
354
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Posted - 2014.04.04 22:35:00 -
[52] - Quote
Tear Jar wrote: [Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Bolded the best part. U so funny.
Stick to ganking miners.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4408
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:01:00 -
[53] - Quote
Numbers have always been the best force multiplier.
So I guess the answer to your question is yes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
129
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:27:00 -
[54] - Quote
Solo PvP is far from dead.
It's literally the methods utilized to hunt for such fights/targets.
For example, very different methods are used hunting for Ratters and Miners then the methods used to hunt for fleets that may be getting around in the same region or a region away from you.
I believe there is much greater emphasis on the "hunt" when soloing then what there is when getting around in a fleet.
Also, be smart about what ship and fitting type you are getting around in. Don't always use cookie cutter fits, mix it up where necessary depending what type of target you are hunting.
For example, fitting out a Firetail to find fights with cruisers is very different to how you would fit out a Firetail to hunt Interceptors.
Don't listen to these fruit loops telling you "Solo PvP is dead" and "Eve is not a solo game." You just need to be smarter then the average fleet of lemmings getting around. This really isn't hard by the way. Think about it, you are already thinking about how the fight will start. what you will do during and how the fight will end. The fleet is just thinking about how to hit the approach button and press F1. |

Tear Jar
The Conference Elite CODE.
82
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:43:00 -
[55] - Quote
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:Tear Jar wrote: [Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Bolded the best part. U so funny. Stick to ganking miners.
It can work, but it will cut into the miners precious isk/hr. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5328
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:53:00 -
[56] - Quote
Tear Jar wrote: PvP in Eve starts when you are fitting your ship and undocking. Industrials have lots of ways to combat this type of PvP(fitting differently, watching local, D-scan and hiring a bodyguard). Just because they opt to not do any of these things and are helpless when the catalyst engages, doesn't mean its not PvP.
Its no different than combat ship v combat ship. There are tons of unwinnable fights because on guy fit the wrong modules.
Edit: To add, if you are looking for a 1v1 against an equal opponent, join a tournament. Roaming low sec is the wrong way to do it.
Actually it starts earlier, from the minerals (ices too) that made the ships which were bought (also) from me. I have won before you even get to fitting the ship.  Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
85
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Posted - 2014.04.05 00:07:00 -
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Solo PVP is alive and well. Want proof? Fit a ship, undock it alone, go have some fun.
Got blobbed? So what? As long as you are alone, it's solo PVP. Challenging, rewarding, exhilarating.
Don't limit yourself to 1v1s - though you will find them if you know what to fly and where.
Don't define your success exclusively as 'holding the field' - in a 1v many, killing a few of 'em while going down in a ball of fire is a victory. Or killing one and managing to gtfo.
Don't obsess about killboard efficiency - solo PVP is risky business, even if you're good. You need to put decent equipment on the field, and you will lose it regularly (unless you run from any real challenge).
EVE isn't a 'fair and honourable duel simulator', going solo is a big challenge and that's exactly why it's awesome. So stop whining and embrace the long and painful path to PVP excellence! |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
535
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Posted - 2014.04.05 00:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
You run into solo pvpers in losec all the time with their solo scout alt and solo tackle alt. |

Machagon
Plate of Beans Incorporated Solar Destiny
61
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Posted - 2014.04.05 00:54:00 -
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I spend a LOT of time flying solo (true solo) around FW space in a firetail. I never ask for duels. I primarily dscan people in novice/small plexes. When I find another solo frigate (or, sometime two), I go in for the kill.
Usually, they run. Sometimes I catch them. Sometimes they stay to fight intentionally. Sometimes, when that happens, they have friends.
Nonetheless, in the average hour of solo FW roaming, I will get two 1v1 fights and get blobbed once(and by blobbed, I just mean the guy has four friends to back him up).
As far as I'm concerned, that means solo PVP is alive and well. Pick your targets, pick your ships (if you mean solo Megathron, then, yes, it's dead), accept that you can be trapped and beaten by superior numbers.
Fly something with high DPS and get a feel for how to separate a single pilot from their fleet long enough to kill them.
It takes some practice, but I am a pretty terrible PVP pilot and I still manage to do it. |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
373
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Posted - 2014.04.05 02:35:00 -
[60] - Quote
Just don't go for the obvious solo hero ships and you will find all the solo pvp you can stomach.
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Bruce Kemp
Suddenly taken over
106
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Posted - 2014.04.05 03:58:00 -
[61] - Quote
ImYourMom wrote:No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread  Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject
Solo is alive,
You just need to look harder and there are lots of ppl flying around solo themselves for you to engage. 
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4664
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:07:00 -
[62] - Quote
Wait, have we brought up dueling and suspect flags yet or is all this about roaming in low/null looking for fights? Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
17
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Posted - 2014.04.05 04:13:00 -
[63] - Quote
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
For example, very different methods are used hunting for Ratters and Miners then the methods used to hunt for fleets that may be getting around in the same region or a region away from you.
And possibly most interesting is hunting for other hunters.  I believe there is much greater emphasis on the "hunt" when soloing then what there is when getting around in a fleet.
Quote: Also, be smart about what ship and fitting type you are getting around in. Don't always use cookie cutter fits, mix it up where necessary depending what type of target you are hunting.
Part of the solo game that makes it fun. In simplest terms, you're looking to find out if your target is going to bring rock, so you can catch him all paper.
For example, fitting out a Firetail to find fights with cruisers is very different to how you would fit out a Firetail to hunt Interceptors.
Quote:Don't listen to these fruit loops telling you "Solo PvP is dead" and "Eve is not a solo game."
Indeed. The beauty of the sandbox is you can play how you want to play. Create your own fun.
Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
510
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Posted - 2014.04.07 22:36:00 -
[64] - Quote
Hal Morsh wrote:Caviar Liberta wrote:
Pizza vs Pasta?
I was about to horribly pervert that. Yeah solo pvp still exists id assume you just have to make it quick before it becomes 10vs1.
Yesterday in a roam the FC held some logi and ECM ships in another system in case we got an escalation. |

King Rothgar
Aegis Interplanetary .Inc Sanguis Ignis Prosperitum
396
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Posted - 2014.04.07 23:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
Solo pvp is not and never has been about 1v1's. It's always been about ganking unsuspecting targets (miners, ratters, anom runners and so on) or fighting 1 vs many. Admittedly the "many" have tended to get quite a lot bigger in recent years and the unsuspecting are rarer, but it is still possible.
In any case, you have to forget about the notion of good and reasonably fair fights. Eve hasn't allowed for that since I started playing many years ago. The extent of honor here is the "honorable' won't outright lie to you. Beyond that anything goes.
My own solo pvp record was, depending on how you look at it, either 23 vs 1 or 12 vs 1. In the 23 vs 1 I killed 2 and escaped. In the 12 vs 1 I killed half and held the field. That is solo pvp at its finest (curse flown in both cases). Typical solo pvp is more like me running out in a heretic and blapping a venture mining in a gas site in w-space. Is it fair or even much of a fight? Absolutely not. Is it solo pvp? Most definitely. Fireworks and snowballs are great, but what I really want is a corpse launcher. |

Winchester Steele
895
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Posted - 2014.04.08 01:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vyl Vit wrote:Despite the drivel you got in response from the know-it-all children that play EVE today, the reason there's no solo pvp is largely due to the introduction of the things you listed there. They enable these children to "play AT" pvp thinking that's what they're actually doing. In a fair fight, they run to mommy.
CCP took the "fair" out of the "fight" to pucker up to these asses.
There you go.
"PvP is super serious business only for REAL* men."
* By REAL we of course mean irrelevant computer nerds, fingers covered in a fine layer of Cheeto dust, pretending that they are Pixel Hardmen on an internet video game forum ... |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
546
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Posted - 2014.04.08 01:42:00 -
[67] - Quote
I am not sure solo PvP was ever really all that alive and well, ever.
Though solo losec roams can be a thing. |

Winchester Steele
895
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Posted - 2014.04.08 01:42:00 -
[68] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Wait, have we brought up dueling and suspect flags yet or is all this about roaming in low/null looking for fights?
We have established that REAL PVP consists of:
A. Duelling 1v1 at the sun.
B. Blobbing
Everything else is for children and griefers.  ... |

Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
949
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:27:00 -
[69] - Quote
King Rothgar wrote:Solo pvp is not and never has been about 1v1's. It's always been about ganking unsuspecting targets (miners, ratters, anom runners and so on) or fighting 1 vs many. Admittedly the "many" have tended to get quite a lot bigger in recent years and the unsuspecting are rarer, but it is still possible.
In any case, you have to forget about the notion of good and reasonably fair fights. Eve hasn't allowed for that since I started playing many years ago. The extent of honor here is the "honorable' won't outright lie to you. Beyond that anything goes.
My own solo pvp record is, depending on how you look at it, either 23 vs me or 12 vs me. In the 23 vs me I killed 2 and escaped. In the 12 vs me I killed half and held the field. That is solo pvp at its finest (curse flown in both cases). Typical solo pvp is more like me running out in a heretic and blapping a venture mining in a gas site in w-space. Is it fair or even much of a fight? Absolutely not. Is it solo pvp? Most definitely. Rubbish. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have hundreds of solo kills, many of which were great fights. Lowsec faction warfare regions up to cruiser. Pretty dead higher than that from what I can tell. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
28
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Posted - 2014.04.08 06:57:00 -
[70] - Quote
ImYourMom wrote:No this aint a whine, you got ganked bwahh thread  Just i feel soloing is becoming a pretty boring, non existant and rather difficult. Targets are not readily available, ive spent hours hunting for stuff sometimes. Then when you do find them they either have friends on the other side of the gate, or they have cynos for caps and bops and you get ganked. Its almost impossible to escape due to people having scrams, webs, neu ts and jams when getting ganked amongst other things. Unless you have 5 accounts multiboxing is almost not a good hing to be doing. Just be interesting to hear what people think on this subject
You don't have a killboard history, so what would you know about pvp? Get back to running L4s or mining
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Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
85
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Posted - 2014.04.08 08:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
The issue is that people have too much ISK.
Even for T1 frig pvp you get deadspace fits. off grid boosts and drugged and imped up pilots calling it "solo pvp"
Many people think that PVP is only about ~elite pvp~ where you have to max. your chance of actually winning which in my opinion is comparable to hacks in FPS games.
Of course you want to use every advantage you can get when there is specific goal you need to reach but usualy you dont fly a T1 frig doing it...
True Solo and therefore "skilled" pvp still is, and will always be solo, without any boosts and super expensive fits in my opinion.
Or lets say appopriate fits and use of implants/boosters.
I think that these so called "elite pvpers" are ruining PVP more than actual carebears which dont pvp at all.
But afterall its CCPs fault for bringing us near uncatchable and near unprobable T3 off grid boosts.
But a fix like a massive sig increase of activating gang links belongs into feautres and ideas. |

Uthreignish
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.04.11 13:01:00 -
[72] - Quote
Go to FW space and hunt plexers, or just stick around fw space. There's a lot of small gangs and even some solo pvp if you're lucky :) |

shortattenionsp
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:05:00 -
[73] - Quote
Not totally, but it's pretty ******.
Try and avoid fighting anyone on their home territory. Look up the killboard's of potential targets - if all their kills are in two systems and involve the same 8 people you can be sure it's probably a trap.
For the majority of people, "PvP" means using offgrid links, boosters, blobs, ECM and hanging around the same spot for ages trying to find victims that can't see all that stuff. Very few people are interested in good fights. The best thing is to look for other roamers or randoms like yourself and not people that live in that part of space, and yeah that's pretty hard.
Even "solo" PvP videos these days often use links and boosters. Yeah it's a pretty ****** state of affairs but it's unlikely to change because CCP makes too much from people training booster/ECM alts.
Perhaps try some FW (or hang around FW Space) or Join RvB for a bit and see how you like that.
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
417
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Posted - 2014.04.11 19:20:00 -
[74] - Quote
No it is not - what is dead is independent thought and strategic problem solving. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
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