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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.14 17:33:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:5. Aesthetic sensibility! For heaven's sake, asymmetrical ships are UGLY! The best reason in my opinion is #5 , not to discredit the other ones listed mind you.
I will admit that since the spaceships in EVE don't follow any kind of relation to physical reality (a sad thing, in my opinion, but not one that's likely to change any time soon), reason #5 is the only one that really counts.
But oh boy, does it count.
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Mal Darkrunner
Zero Tau Research Institute
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:26:00 -
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What has realism got to do with the shape of an imaginary vessel in a game about internet spaceships?
If you're pushing that argument then I'm going to argue that all ships should look like this
The trip from Jita to Amarr is going to take significantly longer...
Lets leave the realism where it belongs and keep EVE's iconic asymmetric designs (like the Raven, Blackbird, Omen, Catalyst, etc.) as they are! |
Imrik86
Gypsy Kings
Wiki Conglomerates
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:56:00 -
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Raven? Phhhh... The Raven is okay.
Talk about Moa, "a flying pile of trash with something sticking out". |
Sirius Cassiopeiae
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:30:00 -
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Moa... LOL
thats the ugliest ship i ever saw...
i cant even imagine uglier one... |
Caiman Graystock
Comrades in Construction
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:37:00 -
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Whatever happens, finished or not, this ship is looking sexeh as hell;
New Raven Model and Skin
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Velarra
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:21:00 -
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To be fair, the Raven IS looking better. Particularly the small adjustment to the cockpit/bridge/frontal head and its supportive new rear structure. The ship's head looks less like a chicken in a desperate search for a close encounter with an axe. The engines at the rear too, seem quite pleasant.
If anything all of these new subtle changes amplify the out-of-place, lopsided awkwardness of the smaller of the two wings. If the small wing on the left when viewed from the rear, was scaled somewhat larger relative to the other side, by length, width & depth it might actually work.
Ideally just a little smaller than the right side's length and width, keeping in theme with original asymmetric hull design yet finding a bit more balance of scale / weighting. |
Jiji Hamin
Federal Defence Union
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:24:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Spaceships are built symmetrical for a goddamn reason, CCP. What would that reason be? Space friction? Distribution of mass in a weightless environment?
not to mention that asymmetric ships are sexy. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.11.15 01:51:00 -
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Jiji Hamin wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Spaceships are built symmetrical for a goddamn reason, CCP. What would that reason be? Space friction? Distribution of mass in a weightless environment? not to mention that asymmetric ships are sexy.
In many respects this can be due to humans being proportionately asymmetric. We're all a little taller, shorter etc.. on one side vs. the other. For the most part it is subtle, we can casually choose to only wear size 10's on our left and right sides etc. It's familiar and strikes a chord when we view it. Ideally, the aptly balanced asymmetric machine becomes less precise and somehow that much more organic on first viewing.
On the other hand a perfectly symmetrical human enters the territory of creepy. The uncanny valley. Not unlike a robot somehow. Simultaneously extreme asymmetry has its unsettling qualities when viewed generally due to it being particularly inhuman.
The trick is finding balance and more precisely, a comfortable ratio. One side slightly greater than the other in relative size mimicking the asymmetry of nature/biology yet not overwhelmingly so. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:04:00 -
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
You can argue about the physics, technology and culture of a fictional universe set a few tens of thousands of years in the future in an internet spaceship game, to try and justify your point of view, but all it comes down to are these two arguments:
I think the ship looks beautiful, I think the ship looks ugly. Debate it all you want, you're not going to change each other's perspectives.
This is why about half the ships in EVE are asymmetrical and the other half symmetrical (Give or take but it really is pretty evenly split), because we all have different tastes but at least we should hopefully be able to find a good amount of ships we really like.
So you don't like the Ravan because it's asymmetrical? Then go for the Dominix, Hyperion, Maelstrom, Scorpion, armageddon, Apocalypse or Abaddon, they have symmetry.
Personally I love the new Raven and I intend to train for it one day, but I seem to be rarity as I love both symmetric and asymmetric design. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival
Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.11.15 02:15:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:So you don't like the Ravan because it's asymmetrical?
It's not so much a matter of being wholly for or against asymmetry or symmetry - yet both if they exist in excess to the point where the over all balance of the subject/ship is acutely skewed. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:14:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
And I behold no beauty when I look upon the Raven.
Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris
CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.18 11:21:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Logan LaMort wrote:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I behold no beauty when I look upon the Raven.
I see a very cool space tank-like killing machine thing.
The asymmatry does exactly the right thing: it says it is a Caldari ship. It's a killing machine.
Chasing after some useless beauty is for the Gellante.
The Raven is doing fine. It is doing a very good job actually because of its ICONIC status it has gained.
It shall not be changed.
The scorpion on the other hand was a failue. |
Selar Nox
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Posted - 2011.11.18 12:53:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Logan LaMort wrote:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I behold no beauty when I look upon the Raven. I see a very cool space tank-like killing machine thing. The asymmatry does exactly the right thing: it says it is a Caldari ship. It's a killing machine. Chasing after some useless beauty is for the Gellante. The Raven is doing fine. It is doing a very good job actually because of its ICONIC status it has gained. It shall not be changed. The scorpion on the other hand was a failue.
Being Gallente I still have to agree. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2011.11.18 13:43:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Logan LaMort wrote:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I behold no beauty when I look upon the Raven.
And I think the Raven is one of the most beautiful ships in EVE.
My point exactly  |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2011.11.18 15:13:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Logan LaMort wrote:Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And I behold no beauty when I look upon the Raven. And I think the Raven is one of the most beautiful ships in EVE. My point exactly
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I think you chaps might be looking at it out of your little brown eye : P
Sorry they missed an opportunity with the redesign, they have gone boring and safe (imho) (love the other new stuff)
Tal
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Victora Drakmar
Adaptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2011.11.18 15:13:00 -
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I was hoping the new Raven would look more like a ship. instead it's pretty much the same random looking clump of space junk.
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Dewatts
We Come In Peaces
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:13:00 -
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I'm only familiar with Gallente ships, but this is an issue for all races, so...
Symmetrical ships with good design are nice,
Symmetrical ships with bad/ugly design are ugly,
Dominix
Symmetrical ships with some Asymmetrical parts are best... IF THEY MAKE SENSE
The Thorax, would be a good example, but with it's giant hair drier welded at the bottom? fail
The Exequror.... a nice symmetrical hull with yet again, asymmetrical engine layout... fail. Where they still designing this thing after it was already build but had major issues balancing the thrust? Seams more like Minmatar design to me.
Asymmetrical ships that are properly balanced and make sense are good.
The Catalyst seems to be a good example.
The Imicus on the other hand is... fail
As for the Raven. At first glace, this ship comes off as an ECM ship. With all those massive antennas and lack of a weapons platform, I would expect this ship to perma jam and hack my ships computers before thinking it might fire a missile at me.
Maybe try balancing the ship out with a massive missile launch bay on that stubby wing. And maybe save the massive antennas for an ECM variation of that hull?
edit: fix the forum preview option, rewriting everything from scratch sux! |
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