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Bert Ward
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:52:00 -
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Kill rights = When somebody ganks you, you get the right to gank back in hi-sec for 30 days. You may also sell the kill rights off.
Feud Rights = When somebody ganks you, you get the kill rights on all Characters associated with that player, even across accounts, multiple account holders must link the accounts together. Based on the thought notion that all the player's alts are family in some manner.
You don't get all the names of the gankers alts. Only the original offender, the other alts though will show up with a special Feud marker. Once you identify another pilot as a feuding member, you get to claim kill rights, and then you may sell the kill rights. This lasts 30 days and oh, characters with Feud or Kill rights on them cannot be traded away.
Also, if you have positive factional standings with NPC corps and NPC factions, the ganking player and family will suffer a % of standings loss based on the level of your standings. The higher your standings, the bigger hit they take.
You don't get kill or feud rights vs a player at war with you or FW.
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We won't get into why, you can figure that out. But the main reason is this:
When I fail, I lose 100's of millions in valuables, perhaps billions. The ganking player reaps rewards and accolades but dies to Concord anyway -- losing nothing but a cheap ship and fittings.
When they fail, they just lose a cheap ship and fittings that they intended on losing anyway.
Other than that, all I can say is issue no kill mail for hi-sec gankings to the kill boards and ganker. Just a private kill mail to the gankee.
Sure, alot of holes in it that I'm sure EVE players will find a way to abuse. Just fix'em as they come.
Thank you, this has been a public service car |
Johnson Dragoon
Journey.
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Posted - 2014.04.04 23:58:00 -
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.... Across accounts? How does one track other accounts.
If you say by IP, then I will provide this, so everyone in the same apartment as me, playing EvE online gets feud rights placed on them because one person in the same apartment, even if we don't know who it is, gets kill rights placed on them.... I totally can't see how this can be abused. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
666
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Posted - 2014.04.05 00:01:00 -
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The cost of being ganked is already baked into the cost of freighters, jump freighters, and courier prices.
That's how markets work. If it wasn't profitable to move stuff then no one would move stuff. That people are still moving stuff without going broke, means that ganking, while horrible if it happens to you, isn't something that is ruining the delivery or provision of goods in Eve. Ripard 1 Erotica 0
They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.04.05 00:33:00 -
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Ganking itself is fine. getting free kill rights on all accounts (if thats even possible) tied to one person? Thats not fine. |
WaterMarks
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.05 01:22:00 -
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as long as the gankee gets access to the names all all chars on so called linked accounts.
3rd time in the last 10 mins this forum has ate my post.. -Fly Reckless- |
Bert Ward
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.12 09:54:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Ganking itself is fine. getting free kill rights on all accounts (if thats even possible) tied to one person? Thats not fine.
Why not? Many of them have alts in Indies sitting by to loot the goods. Why not give kill rights on the looters too. When the heat gets to hot, they just play another toon.
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Bert Ward
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:02:00 -
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Johnson Dragoon wrote:.... Across accounts? How does one track other accounts.
If you say by IP, then I will provide this, so everyone in the same apartment as me, playing EvE online gets feud rights placed on them because one person in the same apartment, even if we don't know who it is, gets kill rights placed on them.... I totally can't see how this can be abused.
Billing and registration. I have 3 accounts, they're all under my name all under my email. Even those plex you buy on the market get traced back to your account. Guaranteed.
And what else? There's gotta be dozens of ways to track a computer. Processor Bin #'s, Seeprom on dram. et al ....
If at least they could put the kill rights on the looter, that would take care of alot of the problem. Oh and trial accounts can't train any of the industry haulers. Hows that.
For pete's sake, put the concord kill mail up. So that we can see they get concorded. Because they don't always get concorded. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4614
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:07:00 -
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You're about a step away from outright advocating doxing. I suggest you tread carefully.
Oh, and this is just a new level of stupid right here:
Quote:put the concord kill mail up. So that we can see they get concorded. Because they don't always get concorded.
Avoiding CONCORD is considered a bannable exploit. It doesn't happen. If you think it did, you need to learn about how crimewatch works. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1242
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:55:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You're about a step away from outright advocating doxing. I suggest you tread carefully. Oh, and this is just a new level of stupid right here: Quote:put the concord kill mail up. So that we can see they get concorded. Because they don't always get concorded. Avoiding CONCORD is considered a bannable exploit. It doesn't happen. If you think it did, you need to learn about how crimewatch works. While it is a level of stupid, lets be serious, there probably are some gankers who know exploits to avoid concord and use them. Like there are exploits to avoid navy when you are in FW and camp the opponents trade hub by deliberately glitching the Navy NPC's out so you don't have to be able to tank them. But yea..... it's bannable, so if you think it happened someone didn't get concorded, report it. Pretty simple, and if they didn't die CCP will make sure they die a much worse death. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
937
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:58:00 -
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Bert Ward wrote:
Feud Rights = When somebody ganks you, you get the kill rights on all Characters associated with that player, even across accounts, multiple account holders must link the accounts together. Based on the thought notion that all the player's alts are family in some manner.
If this happens then i know my CEO will make me gank every person in my corp from an alt (using noob ships) so we can find all the spies. This will be very annoying for both me and the spies. Do not support. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
685
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Posted - 2014.04.12 12:19:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:Bert Ward wrote:
Feud Rights = When somebody ganks you, you get the kill rights on all Characters associated with that player, even across accounts, multiple account holders must link the accounts together. Based on the thought notion that all the player's alts are family in some manner.
If this happens then i know my CEO will make me gank every person in my corp from an alt (using noob ships) so we can find all the spies. This will be very annoying for both me and the spies. Do not support. came here to say this Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼ -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-áIf In Doubt....Do....Excessively. Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼a«£¦¬¦P¦¬a«£Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼Gû¼
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chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
84
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:10:00 -
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Bert Ward wrote: Feud Rights = When somebody ganks you, you get the kill rights on all Characters associated with that player, even across accounts, multiple account holders must link the accounts together. Based on the thought notion that all the player's alts are family in some manner.
No for a few reasons: 1) There is no way to enforce that ppl link their accts 2) In general you should be punished for the crimes of ur family. 3) the character should be separate because it adds fun to the game. Why should ur highsec industrialist/mission runner etc. be punished for the activities of your pirate character? |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1088
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:50:00 -
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Bert Ward wrote:If at least they could put the kill rights on the looter, that would take care of alot of the problem.
The looter goes suspect and can freely be shot, thus depriving them of any loot they manage to scoop. Also, there isn't a problem. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Bert Ward
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:57:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Bert Ward wrote:If at least they could put the kill rights on the looter, that would take care of alot of the problem. The looter goes suspect and can freely be shot, thus depriving them of any loot they manage to scoop. Also, there isn't a problem.
If looter in the same corp? If looter is fleeted with the ganker ... let me know the mechanics. ganker releases all wrecks?
What is doxing? Duel Boxing? Is it illegal to play two characters at the same time as long as you're not using 3rd party apps to control them both from one screen? I think not. Did I even suggest it? I think not. Are you an idgit? I think so. |
Bert Ward
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:58:00 -
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Bert Ward wrote:admiral root wrote:Bert Ward wrote:If at least they could put the kill rights on the looter, that would take care of alot of the problem. The looter goes suspect and can freely be shot, thus depriving them of any loot they manage to scoop. Also, there isn't a problem. If looter in the same corp? If looter is fleeted with the ganker ... let me know the mechanics. ganker releases all wrecks? What is doxing? Duel Boxing? Is it illegal to play two characters at the same time as long as you're not using 3rd party apps to control them both from one screen? I think not. Did I even suggest it? I think not. Are you an idgit? I think so.
Sorry, wrong idgit. You're okay. I'm talking about the other idgit. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
436
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Posted - 2014.04.12 17:02:00 -
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The thing is you have to compare them as if they could be done separately by different people. Just because they have multiple accounts doesn't mean they should be treated differently. |
Alphea Abbra
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
744
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Posted - 2014.04.12 18:24:00 -
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Bert Ward wrote:Bert Ward wrote:admiral root wrote:Bert Ward wrote:If at least they could put the kill rights on the looter, that would take care of alot of the problem. The looter goes suspect and can freely be shot, thus depriving them of any loot they manage to scoop. Also, there isn't a problem. If looter in the same corp? If looter is fleeted with the ganker ... let me know the mechanics. ganker releases all wrecks? What is doxing? Duel Boxing? Is it illegal to play two characters at the same time as long as you're not using 3rd party apps to control them both from one screen? I think not. Did I even suggest it? I think not. Are you an idgit? I think so. Sorry, wrong idgit. You're okay. I'm talking about the other idgit. "Doxing" is the process of obtaining peoples real life name, address, job/education, family etc. and post it somewhere they frequent and may have made "enemies". Which is not exactly what you advocate here, granted, yours is less dangerous and more stupid.
Now, this is a character. I have another character on this account with whom I share only superficial ingame contact. There are enough links to enable someone to put the pieces together, not enough to be certain they both belong to me. I have other characters on other accounts with the same story. Some I might even agree was me if you asked.
Now, to CONCORD, that's not true. I'm a person, my on-account alt is a person, my other characters are other persons. Why should you get the right to feud with absolutely and entirely unrelated persons because I might have killed you?
Furthermore, your entire premise is a lie. You have not supplied a shred of reasoning as to why you should be able to attack unrelated persons because of a gank, or why you should be able to do with one character what others counter with multiple. So, instead of whining about any loss you might have deserved, how about doing something about it? |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
560
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Posted - 2014.04.12 20:58:00 -
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No different characters are seperate people and personas. Each character develops their own story and this is counter intuitive to that. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
1995
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:09:00 -
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Bert Ward wrote:What is doxing?
Let's find out what "doxing" is.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1270
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:56:00 -
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Sean Parisi wrote:No different characters are seperate people and personas. Each character develops their own story and this is counter intuitive to that.
Agreed, if I commit a gank, why is it okay to kill my friend (same account alts) when I was the person who ganked you. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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