These minutes confirm what anyone with half a brain already knew. The current WH CSM's HAVE TO GO!! Thank God it's only one to get rid of.

Every new iteration discussed have been around making it easier and fluffier for C5/C6 folks (to the point where these minutes are even specific about it being mostly related to cap reps and I would bet my left nut that over 90% of caps in W-space are in C5/C6 space).

So summarizing whats going to be cool about being in a C5/C6 soon. You'll be able to armchair roll knowing any targets you find can't see you until its too late. Haven't got the fleet comp to combat a pulsar fleet? No problem we nerfed the effects for you guys! Black Hole? thats ok because everybody moved their hulks into them now because they really are as stupid as you think they are.

But hey let's not forget that James looks at his Siphons everyday and then gets the kid at the end of The Simpsons to say "I made this!"

Looking at it top down, the only real representation is going to come in the future from people in lower W-space or outside of W-space because it is obvious none of our recent CSMs can make a decision without running it through the C5/C6 "What's in it for SSC and bros?" mill first.

I pray the current candidates can make a strong and compelling condemnation of the current CSM and sell the community on being able to think of us all as a whole but I would not be surprised to find that the WH community start to believe that WH's are best represented by proven CSM "listeners" outside of W-space than those in them.

Ball's in your court guys.

LINKEDY

Congrats to NoHo for proving you only need to work hard (Even with an armor subcap fleet) to take down a bling chim in a C6 Pulsar.

Sorry SSC doesn't want to work hard.

I don't think any current effect is truly broken right now.

Are you actively trying to be bad and miss the point, or does it come naturally?

CCP Bettik then explained that there are two options, where they could just delay it on the
sensor overlay, but not to probes, or they could delay it for everything, including probes.

A lot of people simply will not reship to fight in a different type of wormhole. Even if they reduce the Pulsar's cap bonus, those same people still won't jump in. This is something I can't understand myself, as I love having to fly something different to adjust to a certain environment. It makes the game a lot more fun when you actually have to try something different

Fun fact, while you're slinging bullshit at SSC, we're currently in the midst of a fantastic concept called "shield month" where we will be flying, you guess it, shield ships. Clearly we have no desire to ever adapt or work hard.

So, I just got CCP Fozzie on the line to make sure that yes, I was correct in what was being discussed in the minutes.

So, I'll take this from the top, in order to avoid confusion. From ye olden days of command links, some shield links have had exclusions. The shield links which reduce cap use and cycle time exclude capital local shield boosters. These are the only modules that the average capsuleer would expect to receive their benefit, but do not.

With Odyssey 1.1, Fozzie looked at all the command links as well as command ships, to balance and improve them and all that good stuff. He planned to remove the exclusion that capital shield boosters received, making all shield links affect all shield reps and boosters. With great vigor and haste, I made Fozzie aware that such a change would be extremely powerful in Pulsar effect wormholes due to the bonuses that are given. Fozzie agreed, and the exclusion was kept in place, but he still wants to lift that exclusion in the future.

That's what's being discussed here, although I can already hear Fozzie saying "on a long enough time scale everything in game will be rebalanced." We're not out to nerf your home, we're looking at how to make game-wide improvements.

During the command ship and boosting rebalance, CCP Fozzie planned to change them so they would affect cap shield boosters as well. Except, if that were to happen, a well fit Chimera would be able to tank a Bhaalgorn and Moros, and run local AND triage reps, all cap stable.

So, I just got CCP Fozzie on the line to make sure that yes, I was correct in what was being discussed in the minutes.

So, I'll take this from thbonused in order to avoid confusion. From ye olden days of command links, some shield links have had exclusions. The shield links which reduce cap use and cycle time exclude capital local shield boosters. These are the only modules that the average capsuleer would expect to receive their benefit, but do not.

With Odyssey 1.1, Fozzie looked at all the command links as well as command ships, to balance and improve them and all that good stuff. He planned to remove the exclusion that capital shield boosters received, making all shield links affect all shield reps and boosters. With great vigor and haste, I made Fozzie aware that such a change would be extremely powerful in Pulsar effect wormholes due to the bonuses that are given. Fozzie agreed, and the exclusion was kept in place, but he still wants to lift that exclusion in the future.

That's what's being discussed here, although I can already hear Fozzie saying "on a long enough time scale everything in game will be rebalanced." We're not out to nerf your home, we're looking at how to make game-wide improvements.

James, this is such garbage. A chimera already CAN do this in a Pulsar. Easily.
If that's the benchmark youre using for this, you need to re evaluate.

Also, why is this an issue? Triage carriers have been getting worse and worse for years now with the buff to dreads and BSs and all subcaps, I don't see any issue at all with making them a bit better.
Used to be a triage carrier could stand against multiple dreads but now they can barely tank 1.

If you want to look at tank issues, go try break a dozen archons in a C6 cata. yeah, it aint gonna happen.
I don't see why that isnt an issue but a better triage chimera is.

Yeah, I went back to the internal thread on it, and this is what I wrote when it was being hashed out.
"Edit: You're looking at Pulsar Chimeras and Wolf-Rayet Archons being around on par for tank ability with boosts and effects within the same price range... but the Chimera will have over 400 gj/s of spare capacitor. You can look at a ton of different fits, but it comes down to similar tanking per cost with it being massively more difficult to neut down a pulsar, which is the only way many gangs can kill them. Add this in and they can be fit for even more recharge, or to local tank through a talisman bhaalgorn and two moros at the same time, cap stable."

So you're absolutely correct, lifting the exclusion wouldn't be bhaalgorn+moros, it'd be talisman bhaalgorn+2 moros.

Take away the cap bonus but give us shield resists, on top of the buffer bonus. ^_^

Fine with me. My issue is that killing things like this 44 BILLION ISK carrier took 3 dreads, 3 BSes and 24 T3s quite a while. Pimped out Chimeras in Pulsars are basically immune to neuts, unless you have a bunch of bhaals, and those bhaals don't get blapped by a dread who can hit them easily because of the giant sig radius.

Make ships in Pulsars tough to kill, but they need a weakness. Right now you just have DPS, and you need a lot to outrun a ship fit like the one I linked.

he responses to this coming from the current WH CSM are too easy and plentiful to warrant posting.

Congrats on flying shield ships, remember you still need to leave a midslot on the prot for the scram but I'm sure you already thought of that.

How will you guys cope without 11 guardians to your other 11 DPS ships?

@ Jack - you're just arguing for the sake of it buddy, whysomad?

Both CSM's, for good or bad, are doing their best. They also play eve and have real lives, so apologies if they aren't as transparent as you'd like, perhaps if you paid them for doing a job maybe they will respond with your required urgency to all future butthurt forumposts rather than leading their otherwise guiltridden lives ( we love playing them off against eachother )

EDIT

For a group who almost unilaterally flies around in what are currently considered 'broken' ships ( i love them myself ) you complain an aweful lot. We're doing a big drive to get people in shield boats, but since you guys fly in them all day, and have a home advantage in them, I guess you miss why other people, who do not have the forementioned, choose not to engage you. Idiot.

Why wouldn't any respectable wormhole corp have a fleet comp for different wormhole effects? It seems silly to think that people wouldn't prepare for a changing environment. And before I really stir up the hornets nest, that is a general statement and not geared to any corp specifically. (except hathrul)

As far as homefield advantage goes, we will jump into just about anyone's wormhole, regardless of what advantages they get. Any fight where you start off with a handicap are some of the fun ones you will ever get.

@ Winthorp - I too like fighting you guys, but dislike your terrible, terrible QQ on forums about us. You're like a whiny broken record, man up and come shoot me.