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Panheimer
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:00:00 -
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no stupid dampning thing or something, give us a desent blasterboat,
thx...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:04:00 -
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how would you make it different to the mega?
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Panheimer
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:05:00 -
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 Originally by: HippoKing
how would you make it different to the mega?
build in MWD bonus (as special ability ) and 8 turrets
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:11:00 -
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Right.
No thanks.
I'd rather they fix the mega to be short ranged and give us something to add to the lack of versatility Gallente BS have. Currently none of our BS is really good at long range combat. I'd say we need a good railboat with a damp range bonus and damage bonus. (hybrdis without damage bonus = civilian guns)
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Panheimer
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Right.
No thanks.
I'd rather they fix the mega to be short ranged and give us something to add to the lack of versatility Gallente BS have. Currently none of our BS is really good at long range combat. I'd say we need a good railboat with a damp range bonus and damage bonus. (hybrdis without damage bonus = civilian guns)
mega is good at long range......
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Panheimer
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Right.
No thanks.
I'd rather they fix the mega to be short ranged and give us something to add to the lack of versatility Gallente BS have. Currently none of our BS is really good at long range combat. I'd say we need a good railboat with a damp range bonus and damage bonus. (hybrdis without damage bonus = civilian guns)
mega is good at long range......
In pve yes, or when you'd engage 5 v 5 at 150+km maybe.
In fleets its really inferior to all but Raven tbh.
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Panheimer
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Originally by: Panheimer
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Right.
No thanks.
I'd rather they fix the mega to be short ranged and give us something to add to the lack of versatility Gallente BS have. Currently none of our BS is really good at long range combat. I'd say we need a good railboat with a damp range bonus and damage bonus. (hybrdis without damage bonus = civilian guns)
mega is good at long range......
In pve yes, or when you'd engage 5 v 5 at 150+km maybe.
In fleets its really inferior to all but Raven tbh.
thats BS
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Kaladr
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:29:00 -
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In PVP, the instant strike of a sniping mega beats a raven.
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.08 07:46:00 -
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I want a 8/6/6 platform, with a dampening and damage bonus.
Yes, A dampening bonus. BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH right...
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Bailian Moxtain
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:19:00 -
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Nosing-BS with blasters, not drones. A megathron ship with nos and blaster bonuses with a very high topspeed 
Could be cool 
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:23:00 -
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Speed, agility and Blasters - no drones, 6 or 7 turrets (not bigger than the Mega, more like a faster T1 equivalent) would get my vote...
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:30:00 -
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I would be pritty much happy with anything, exept dampening boat...
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:30:00 -
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5% rof of hybrids 10% hybrids cap use per lvl 4tw \o/
(and an amar capacitor oc)
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
I want a 8/6/6 platform, with a dampening and damage bonus.
Yes, A dampening bonus. BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAH right...
More or less same here, but the thing is Dampeners aren't very good in the Battleship class. It either lack strength or it lack range, and considering Gallente philosophy dictates strength over range, Dampeners lack strength to be put on Battleships.
Put it like this, for a Dampener to be effective, you either need to get a lock in less than 5% of the time it takes for your target to get a lock on you (not going to happen when we're talking battleships) or you need to nerf the targets range down far enough. Versus a Dampener and in the situation battleship versus battleship, all battleships are immune (more or less) to the first dampener - and further immune the more sensor boosters fitted.
So, what's my point? Well, either the bonus needs to be upped to 7.5% for the Gallentean tier 3 or the Gallentean tier three needs an extraordinary high amount of low slots.
But one thing is for certain, a dampener boat with not quite as much dps as the Megathron is something missing in the Gallentean battlefleet. (No, it will never steal the Scorpion's glory as it will never be able to attain anywhere near the same EWar range!)
In either case, the tier 3s are going to be different, not similar to what we have now (well, the Amarrian probably will be rather similar to the other Amarrian BShips since Amarr are a bit of a one-liner race - and NO it won't be a drone boat, because there's only one way of making a *drone* boat not suck and it's already taken).
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ITTigerClawIK
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:39:00 -
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Well im more wanting to know what skills are going to be required is it just gunna be like a battleship lvl 3 or 4 thing or is gunna need a load more stuff and how much mroe expensive is this new tier 3 battleship gunna be???
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
Well im more wanting to know what skills are going to be required is it just gunna be like a battleship lvl 3 or 4 thing or is gunna need a load more stuff and how much mroe expensive is this new tier 3 battleship gunna be???
I'd say it's a 95% chance that it'll require exactly the same as the lower tier battleships, except the battleship skill at level 3.
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
Well im more wanting to know what skills are going to be required is it just gunna be like a battleship lvl 3 or 4 thing or is gunna need a load more stuff and how much mroe expensive is this new tier 3 battleship gunna be???
probobly BS l3 and cost around 120m?
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:49:00 -
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They should increase dampening optimal range so they become more used imo.
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ITTigerClawIK
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:55:00 -
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the Apoc used to cost 120 mill but now gone so rediculusly low does this mean that the price for BS are gunna stay low and that the tier 3 is gunna take over the old price of the APOC and be more heavily armoured and so on ??
ok im basicly asking for as much info and suggestions on what the new BS's are gunna be like ...and to the devs please done give me a EW speculised thing.
(bought my apoc from public market for 55mill..YES 55Mill)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:59:00 -
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thing's you're probably not going to get:
1) long-range railboat. caldari are getting this, so there's no point having 2 identical ships.
2) nos-bonus. nos bonuses seem to belong to amarr ships now (they have always belonged to the amarrian pirate ships).
3) a "dedicated blaster boat". with the upcoming changes to blasters, the megathron should turn into that. if course, if changed the megathron bonuses to 5% damage, -5% mwd cap penalty and increased the tracking of large blasters across the board by 25%/35% (old tracking bonus/new tracking bonus) the ship would be sorted
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
They should increase dampening optimal range so they become more used imo.
Hmm, ECM are something like 60/30 optimal/falloff
Dampeners are more or less 30/60
What about a middle ground 45/45?
Of course, dampeners with too high range is too good. I'm just gonna throw a statement that I cannot support, but should be about right: dampener "power" increase exponentially with optimal range.
I'm actually quite comfortable with the current short range, though, just need that Ooomph to make them work. Now that they've got a stacking penalty, however... I'm not certain that they nerf the other ship enough even with a multitude of dampeners targeted on an opponent.
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
thing's you're probably not going to get:
1) long-range railboat. caldari are getting this, so there's no point having 2 identical ships.
2) nos-bonus. nos bonuses seem to belong to amarr ships now (they have always belonged to the amarrian pirate ships).
3) a "dedicated blaster boat". with the upcoming changes to blasters, the megathron should turn into that. if course, if changed the megathron bonuses to 5% damage, -5% mwd cap penalty and increased the tracking of large blasters across the board by 25%/35% (old tracking bonus/new tracking bonus) the ship would be sorted
nr 3 would be nice
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: KilROCK on 08/05/2006 09:04:54
No it wouldn't. It would still do crap damage.
screw up the mega and i'll remove your eyeballs by the way. 
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Lunch Money
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
thing's you're probably not going to get:
1) long-range railboat. caldari are getting this, so there's no point having 2 identical ships.
2) nos-bonus. nos bonuses seem to belong to amarr ships now (they have always belonged to the amarrian pirate ships).
3) a "dedicated blaster boat". with the upcoming changes to blasters, the megathron should turn into that. if course, if changed the megathron bonuses to 5% damage, -5% mwd cap penalty and increased the tracking of large blasters across the board by 25%/35% (old tracking bonus/new tracking bonus) the ship would be sorted
So we probly get another crappy gallente ship:(
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
The Domi and Mega pretty much singularly play to Gallente strengths - drones and hybrids. As someone previously indicated, the change to blasters will make the 'thron into a great rail OR large blaster platform.
They could turn the Tier 3 into the Gallente ECM boat, which is what the concept art is making me wonder about - that entire high structure actually being a huge dish of sorts.
if its going to be EW ship, then its 99.9% probobility dampning ship, and I realy hope not....
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kayl Breinhar
The Domi and Mega pretty much singularly play to Gallente strengths - drones and hybrids. As someone previously indicated, the change to blasters will make the 'thron into a great rail OR large blaster platform.
They could turn the Tier 3 into the Gallente ECM boat, which is what the concept art is making me wonder about - that entire high structure actually being a huge dish of sorts.
if its going to be EW ship, then its 99.9% probobility dampning ship, and I realy hope not....
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn
Ithildin... I think ya missed the boat on the RSD un-nerf.
And I agree a damp RANGE and a railgun DAMAGE ship would be great. Oh, and fix the mega too. The blasters fix is a nice start, but it still needs work.
Mega will stay as railgun platform probably. After the introduction of the new caldari railgun platform with its +10% range bonus it will be the second best railgun ship ingame, thats how it should work anyway.
Gallente -> Closerange
Caldari -> Longrange
Amarr -> Midrange
Minmtar -> Thy suck, so your fast enough to run away from enemies
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/05/2006 09:39:30
Originally by: Panheimer
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Originally by: Panheimer
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Right.
No thanks.
I'd rather they fix the mega to be short ranged and give us something to add to the lack of versatility Gallente BS have. Currently none of our BS is really good at long range combat. I'd say we need a good railboat with a damp range bonus and damage bonus. (hybrdis without damage bonus = civilian guns)
mega is good at long range......
In pve yes, or when you'd engage 5 v 5 at 150+km maybe.
In fleets its really inferior to all but Raven tbh.
thats BS
No it's not.
Lowest alpha, second dps.
Apoc: good alpha, third dps
Temp: best alpha, lowest dps
Geddon: best dps, good alpha
For large fights, that makes the mega the worst of these four.
I'd prefer a dampening range bonus with a slight bias of the ship to prefer long range. Not a hybrid range bonus, but damage bonus like the mega. Just not coupled with tracking bonus but a damp range bonus of 10% opt/lvl or something like that.
Then the mega would be able to become a true blasterboat without the whole race losing its only longer ranged capabilities.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:43:00 -
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wha galentte really need
4 missiles/5 guns hardpointted BS,
with optimal range to hybrid bonus and missile velocity bonus
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Bacchuss
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 08/05/2006 09:39:30
Originally by: Panheimer
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Originally by: Panheimer
Originally by: Marcus Aurelius
Right.
No thanks.
I'd rather they fix the mega to be short ranged and give us something to add to the lack of versatility Gallente BS have. Currently none of our BS is really good at long range combat. I'd say we need a good railboat with a damp range bonus and damage bonus. (hybrdis without damage bonus = civilian guns)
mega is good at long range......
In pve yes, or when you'd engage 5 v 5 at 150+km maybe.
In fleets its really inferior to all but Raven tbh.
thats BS
No it's not.
Lowest alpha, second dps.
Apoc: good alpha, third dps
Temp: best alpha, lowest dps
Geddon: best dps, good alpha
For large fights, that makes the mega the worst of these four.
I'd prefer a dampening range bonus with a slight bias of the ship to prefer long range. Not a hybrid range bonus, but damage bonus like the mega. Just not coupled with tracking bonus but a damp range bonus of 10% opt/lvl or something like that.
Then the mega would be able to become a true blasterboat without the whole race losing its only longer ranged capabilities.
actuly thron got long range, wich allow it to use higher damage ammo, and it have 4 meds, wich allow EW
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