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Dethusan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:05:00 -
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Title pretty much says it. i would prefer to work towards/stay in small faster ships (AF,Inty,Cov ops) but was told BS is a must at one point for making money in lvl 4's and 0.0 space. If this is true then its kinda crappy being pigeon holed into a specific ship :S
Any help is a appreciated
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:08:00 -
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HACs are more effective, usually.
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:08:00 -
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Not at all
You can make good cash using a battlecruiser if you have good skills, or a heavy assault cruiser / command ship is even better.
You can rat in 0.0 in assault frigates, but it takes ages to kill battleships.
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Dethusan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:12:00 -
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Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
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Jan Riksma
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:12:00 -
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you don't have to have bs lvl4 to rat in 0.0. It all depends on your fitting and gunnery/missle skills.
I rat on occasion in 0.0 in a completely tech1 fitted BS, cheap to replace when ganked. Know what type of damage the rats do and fit you ship accordingly and you don't have to have uber skills to kill 0.0 rats. In my 0.0 spot we got loads of 3 month old charaters shooting rats with no problems.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Dethusan
Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
Cruisers push it because they usually can't tank the rats while having enough damage to kill them.
AFs can do it, but thats usually pushing it. Their main boon over the cruisers is their low sig radius.
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Ashurian
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:17:00 -
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An arbitrator with not so high skills can do it (with non missiler rats off course)
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Sorethen
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:24:00 -
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I know I've heard of people doing 0.0 ratting in assault frigates. I havn't ventured out to rat in such places yet though so I don't know how effective they are at it. Of course if you get someone to tank for you then I can imagine you can use whatever you want as long as the damage is decent enough to contribute.
Your best bet is to go into the ships and modules forum and read through the ship fitting sticky thread and find a thread on the specific ships you are interested in. Usually each ship has a thread for PvE setups.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
HACs are more effective, usually.
Dunno, HAC are so bloody expensive nowadays, that I am seriously doubting that they are cost effective to rat hunt with them in 0.0. People make errors and lose ships. Cheaper to lose an insured BS than a HAC.
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Ajack Gun
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:29:00 -
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Ive been ratting in low sec and 0.0 for some time now im my rifter the only problems ive come across is massed missiles. as long as you can tank the missiles the guns ,bigger rats especialy, rarely if ever hit you.
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Sebroth
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:35:00 -
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I have used my rupture for npcing in 0.0 vs angels and it worked ok (not great) but then my skills for that ship are good.
AFs works fine but it will take long time killing the bigger npcs.
BCs is more then possible to use for 00 npcing. But you will need some skills.
HACs I give a 10 out of 10.
I have hardly done any lvl 4 missions at all and when I did it was in a BS w/ low skills.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chai N'Dorr
Originally by: Dark Shikari
HACs are more effective, usually.
Dunno, HAC are so bloody expensive nowadays, that I am seriously doubting that they are cost effective to rat hunt with them in 0.0. People make errors and lose ships. Cheaper to lose an insured BS than a HAC.
Well thats the disadvantage--I meant in just NPCing and looting speed. They move faster than a BS for looting and usually do more DPS on a ratting setup.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:38:00 -
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People say the new command ships are good at lvl4 / 0.0
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Boris2k
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:47:00 -
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i have no problem killing ANY 0.0 serpintis spawn in my rupture
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:59:00 -
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we have ally members ratting in ruppies and rax's happily solo farming away. i started in an enyo which rips serp rats to bits. but the ammo usage and cargo space is a bit of a limit. as for lvl4 missions, well hac's can do some of em though the cost of a mistake means its a bad ship to learn the missions in. i did hear some crazy talk of af's doing lvl4 missions. not sure on that one tho, but i guess someone is mad enough to pull it off 
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Chai N''Dorr on 08/05/2006 10:03:46
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I meant in just NPCing and looting speed. They move faster than a BS for looting and usually do more DPS on a ratting setup.
I knew you meant that, but gut feeling tells me that extra speed doesn't generate the 'extra' income to overcome that loss.
But if you can afford to replace them or just able to never lose one somehow, HAC are indeed far better than a BS.
Unrelated to HAC vs BS, and back on track with the thread: it also pays to pay attention to what damage NPC's do and get a Battlecruiser with the appropriate resists. Cheaper than a BS, quicker most of the times, and can pack a punch. For example, a Prophecy in Delve is just nasty for making money.
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dethusan
Title pretty much says it. i would prefer to work towards/stay in small faster ships (AF,Inty,Cov ops) but was told BS is a must at one point for making money in lvl 4's and 0.0 space. If this is true then its kinda crappy being pigeon holed into a specific ship :S
Any help is a appreciated
An assault frigate should never be able to take down multiple bs spawns.
Try teamwork. You'll be surprised how well it works on lv4 and 0.0 hunting.
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Nahual
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nahual on 08/05/2006 10:51:20
from experience you don't need great levels to rat in 0.0 in a BS, some spawns u wont be able to beat thou, but im sure you'll figure that out.
You can rat in (my experience) any ship you please, AF, inty, BS, BC, cruiser, yes i'm talking taking on BS spawns in all these ships.
The higher level of skill in a BS the more tankability or damage generally, check the specific BS, you'll see the advantages and the need to get higher level or not. BTW BS lvl 5 is a really nice skill to have along the line, so in general BS lvl 4 i would say is a requirement in eve if u fly BSs at all.
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Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dethusan
Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
With a high (level 4) Caldari Cruiser skill, caracals can be quite effective for ratting due to the missile bonus. I have no trouble whatsoever taking a dual battleship serpentis spawn in a caracal, provided I get in close early on.
If you have decent shield, cruiser and missile skills, ratting in a caracal in 0.0 space is simple.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:55:00 -
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for belt hunting you can do it in an assault frigate if you fight the correct rats (minmatar vs sansha/bloods, amarr vs angels, etc). for level 4s , some of the hacs can hold up in them (zealot and cerb especially). However, nothing compares to Easy Mode (i.e. t2 missile spamming raven).
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Megan Ryder
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sorethen
I know I've heard of people doing 0.0 ratting in assault frigates. I havn't ventured out to rat in such places yet though so I don't know how effective they are at it. Of course if you get someone to tank for you then I can imagine you can use whatever you want as long as the damage is decent enough to contribute.
Your best bet is to go into the ships and modules forum and read through the ship fitting sticky thread and find a thread on the specific ships you are interested in. Usually each ship has a thread for PvE setups.
I don't think the tank is the problem here, most afs can easily tank 0.0 spawns, they just can't do enough damage to kill the bs quick enough...
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Chandler
Not at all
You can make good cash using a battlecruiser if you have good skills, or a heavy assault cruiser / command ship is even better.
You can rat in 0.0 in assault frigates, but it takes ages to kill battleships.
Yes, but with less skills you can make more cash in 00. It would take awhile to get good bc skills to rat in 00 with 3x spawns etc.
Just get bs to lvl3 and guns. I'd say raven if you're not going to stick with bs but just want to rat. Not much SP needed.
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:29:00 -
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Cerberus with east, although i've only gone against Serps or Guristas. I helped a friend in a lvl 3 Mordus and they stung a bit and was draining my CAP.
I wasnt set up for them thou in all fairness and i warped in at 15km not 100km
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Aramark
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:34:00 -
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i 0.0 rat in my retribution i have had no problem with it at all. from Angels to Sansha.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:39:00 -
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AGONY Rats in tech 1 frig groups all the time.
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Schroni
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:03:00 -
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get a Prophecy, can tank forever, doesn't need ammo.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:18:00 -
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Im in half a mind to say the Zealot makes probably the best 0.0 NPC'ing ship.
Fast/agile making for quicker warp around teh belts (yes I know once uve got a chain going u can use a scanner.. but for the first run through each system u have to warp to each belt to make them spawn, this takes time in a slow assed battleship.
Doesn't need ammo and can kick out a hell of dps with just 3 HS II, and having a tank that I found no problem tanking any spawn in Fountain/Delve
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:26:00 -
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I hunt in 0.0 space with my Arbitrator. I don't have any problems with double 900,000 bounty battleship spawns that are True Sansha.
It is never the battleships that scare me so much as the webbing interceptors that make you easy-peasy to hit by battleships or a gang of cruisers who I can't really orbit too well. However, the nice thing about an Arbitrator is that you can orbit ships bigger than you, outdistance ships that are as big as you (45 km drone range!) and hit anything smaller than you (drones).
I like using cruisers, they are cheap and faster than battleships, assault cruisers and battlecruisers. The only problems I ever had with using my Arbitrator is on the approach to some NPCs. If I am too far out I could get creamed before I get enough transversal to orbit the battleships safely.
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Raneru
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:28:00 -
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It depends on the rat type. You can take down 0.0 Serpentis spawns easily in an AF. I tend to do Sansha spawns in a BC. 0.0 Angels are tough and really need a BS (a Cyclone might be ok though). I haven't ratting in Blood Raider space.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Well thats the disadvantage--I meant in just NPCing and looting speed. They move faster than a BS for looting and usually do more DPS on a ratting setup.
Are you sure about the DPS part? My tempest defo deals more dmg than my vaga when setup for rattin. I reckon domi > ishtar and arma > zealot as well.
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