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Dethusan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:05:00 -
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Title pretty much says it. i would prefer to work towards/stay in small faster ships (AF,Inty,Cov ops) but was told BS is a must at one point for making money in lvl 4's and 0.0 space. If this is true then its kinda crappy being pigeon holed into a specific ship :S
Any help is a appreciated
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:08:00 -
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HACs are more effective, usually.
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:08:00 -
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Not at all
You can make good cash using a battlecruiser if you have good skills, or a heavy assault cruiser / command ship is even better.
You can rat in 0.0 in assault frigates, but it takes ages to kill battleships.
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Dethusan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:12:00 -
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Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
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Jan Riksma
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:12:00 -
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you don't have to have bs lvl4 to rat in 0.0. It all depends on your fitting and gunnery/missle skills.
I rat on occasion in 0.0 in a completely tech1 fitted BS, cheap to replace when ganked. Know what type of damage the rats do and fit you ship accordingly and you don't have to have uber skills to kill 0.0 rats. In my 0.0 spot we got loads of 3 month old charaters shooting rats with no problems.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Dethusan
Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
Cruisers push it because they usually can't tank the rats while having enough damage to kill them.
AFs can do it, but thats usually pushing it. Their main boon over the cruisers is their low sig radius.
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Ashurian
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:17:00 -
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An arbitrator with not so high skills can do it (with non missiler rats off course)
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Sorethen
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:24:00 -
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I know I've heard of people doing 0.0 ratting in assault frigates. I havn't ventured out to rat in such places yet though so I don't know how effective they are at it. Of course if you get someone to tank for you then I can imagine you can use whatever you want as long as the damage is decent enough to contribute.
Your best bet is to go into the ships and modules forum and read through the ship fitting sticky thread and find a thread on the specific ships you are interested in. Usually each ship has a thread for PvE setups.
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
HACs are more effective, usually.
Dunno, HAC are so bloody expensive nowadays, that I am seriously doubting that they are cost effective to rat hunt with them in 0.0. People make errors and lose ships. Cheaper to lose an insured BS than a HAC.
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Ajack Gun
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:29:00 -
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Ive been ratting in low sec and 0.0 for some time now im my rifter the only problems ive come across is massed missiles. as long as you can tank the missiles the guns ,bigger rats especialy, rarely if ever hit you.
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Sebroth
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:35:00 -
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I have used my rupture for npcing in 0.0 vs angels and it worked ok (not great) but then my skills for that ship are good.
AFs works fine but it will take long time killing the bigger npcs.
BCs is more then possible to use for 00 npcing. But you will need some skills.
HACs I give a 10 out of 10.
I have hardly done any lvl 4 missions at all and when I did it was in a BS w/ low skills.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chai N'Dorr
Originally by: Dark Shikari
HACs are more effective, usually.
Dunno, HAC are so bloody expensive nowadays, that I am seriously doubting that they are cost effective to rat hunt with them in 0.0. People make errors and lose ships. Cheaper to lose an insured BS than a HAC.
Well thats the disadvantage--I meant in just NPCing and looting speed. They move faster than a BS for looting and usually do more DPS on a ratting setup.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:38:00 -
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People say the new command ships are good at lvl4 / 0.0
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Boris2k
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:47:00 -
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i have no problem killing ANY 0.0 serpintis spawn in my rupture
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Iron Wraith
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Posted - 2006.05.08 09:59:00 -
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we have ally members ratting in ruppies and rax's happily solo farming away. i started in an enyo which rips serp rats to bits. but the ammo usage and cargo space is a bit of a limit. as for lvl4 missions, well hac's can do some of em though the cost of a mistake means its a bad ship to learn the missions in. i did hear some crazy talk of af's doing lvl4 missions. not sure on that one tho, but i guess someone is mad enough to pull it off 
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Chai N''Dorr on 08/05/2006 10:03:46
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I meant in just NPCing and looting speed. They move faster than a BS for looting and usually do more DPS on a ratting setup.
I knew you meant that, but gut feeling tells me that extra speed doesn't generate the 'extra' income to overcome that loss.
But if you can afford to replace them or just able to never lose one somehow, HAC are indeed far better than a BS.
Unrelated to HAC vs BS, and back on track with the thread: it also pays to pay attention to what damage NPC's do and get a Battlecruiser with the appropriate resists. Cheaper than a BS, quicker most of the times, and can pack a punch. For example, a Prophecy in Delve is just nasty for making money.
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Aodha Khan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dethusan
Title pretty much says it. i would prefer to work towards/stay in small faster ships (AF,Inty,Cov ops) but was told BS is a must at one point for making money in lvl 4's and 0.0 space. If this is true then its kinda crappy being pigeon holed into a specific ship :S
Any help is a appreciated
An assault frigate should never be able to take down multiple bs spawns.
Try teamwork. You'll be surprised how well it works on lv4 and 0.0 hunting.
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Nahual
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nahual on 08/05/2006 10:51:20
from experience you don't need great levels to rat in 0.0 in a BS, some spawns u wont be able to beat thou, but im sure you'll figure that out.
You can rat in (my experience) any ship you please, AF, inty, BS, BC, cruiser, yes i'm talking taking on BS spawns in all these ships.
The higher level of skill in a BS the more tankability or damage generally, check the specific BS, you'll see the advantages and the need to get higher level or not. BTW BS lvl 5 is a really nice skill to have along the line, so in general BS lvl 4 i would say is a requirement in eve if u fly BSs at all.
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Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dethusan
Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
With a high (level 4) Caldari Cruiser skill, caracals can be quite effective for ratting due to the missile bonus. I have no trouble whatsoever taking a dual battleship serpentis spawn in a caracal, provided I get in close early on.
If you have decent shield, cruiser and missile skills, ratting in a caracal in 0.0 space is simple.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.05.08 10:55:00 -
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for belt hunting you can do it in an assault frigate if you fight the correct rats (minmatar vs sansha/bloods, amarr vs angels, etc). for level 4s , some of the hacs can hold up in them (zealot and cerb especially). However, nothing compares to Easy Mode (i.e. t2 missile spamming raven).
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Megan Ryder
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sorethen
I know I've heard of people doing 0.0 ratting in assault frigates. I havn't ventured out to rat in such places yet though so I don't know how effective they are at it. Of course if you get someone to tank for you then I can imagine you can use whatever you want as long as the damage is decent enough to contribute.
Your best bet is to go into the ships and modules forum and read through the ship fitting sticky thread and find a thread on the specific ships you are interested in. Usually each ship has a thread for PvE setups.
I don't think the tank is the problem here, most afs can easily tank 0.0 spawns, they just can't do enough damage to kill the bs quick enough...
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Chandler
Not at all
You can make good cash using a battlecruiser if you have good skills, or a heavy assault cruiser / command ship is even better.
You can rat in 0.0 in assault frigates, but it takes ages to kill battleships.
Yes, but with less skills you can make more cash in 00. It would take awhile to get good bc skills to rat in 00 with 3x spawns etc.
Just get bs to lvl3 and guns. I'd say raven if you're not going to stick with bs but just want to rat. Not much SP needed.
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Logi3
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:29:00 -
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Cerberus with east, although i've only gone against Serps or Guristas. I helped a friend in a lvl 3 Mordus and they stung a bit and was draining my CAP.
I wasnt set up for them thou in all fairness and i warped in at 15km not 100km
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Aramark
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:34:00 -
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i 0.0 rat in my retribution i have had no problem with it at all. from Angels to Sansha.
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Rells
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Posted - 2006.05.08 11:39:00 -
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AGONY Rats in tech 1 frig groups all the time.
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Schroni
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:03:00 -
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get a Prophecy, can tank forever, doesn't need ammo.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:18:00 -
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Im in half a mind to say the Zealot makes probably the best 0.0 NPC'ing ship.
Fast/agile making for quicker warp around teh belts (yes I know once uve got a chain going u can use a scanner.. but for the first run through each system u have to warp to each belt to make them spawn, this takes time in a slow assed battleship.
Doesn't need ammo and can kick out a hell of dps with just 3 HS II, and having a tank that I found no problem tanking any spawn in Fountain/Delve
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Sovy Kurosei
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:26:00 -
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I hunt in 0.0 space with my Arbitrator. I don't have any problems with double 900,000 bounty battleship spawns that are True Sansha.
It is never the battleships that scare me so much as the webbing interceptors that make you easy-peasy to hit by battleships or a gang of cruisers who I can't really orbit too well. However, the nice thing about an Arbitrator is that you can orbit ships bigger than you, outdistance ships that are as big as you (45 km drone range!) and hit anything smaller than you (drones).
I like using cruisers, they are cheap and faster than battleships, assault cruisers and battlecruisers. The only problems I ever had with using my Arbitrator is on the approach to some NPCs. If I am too far out I could get creamed before I get enough transversal to orbit the battleships safely.
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Raneru
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:28:00 -
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It depends on the rat type. You can take down 0.0 Serpentis spawns easily in an AF. I tend to do Sansha spawns in a BC. 0.0 Angels are tough and really need a BS (a Cyclone might be ok though). I haven't ratting in Blood Raider space.
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Ras Blumin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Well thats the disadvantage--I meant in just NPCing and looting speed. They move faster than a BS for looting and usually do more DPS on a ratting setup.
Are you sure about the DPS part? My tempest defo deals more dmg than my vaga when setup for rattin. I reckon domi > ishtar and arma > zealot as well.
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DaveW
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:22:00 -
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Yes, you'll need a Battleship....
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Olivin
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Posted - 2006.05.08 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Olivin on 08/05/2006 13:46:47
You, you can do most of lvl4 missions and 0.0 rating in AF. You do need top skills and t2 ammo in order to kill some BS spawns. Actually, the amount of skills you need and cost of your ammo/setup simply not worth the squeeze, and Raven will do the job faster and cheaper. Stay away from Angels, because you won't be able to break top BS's tank, no matter what AF you will use. So, the best AF's for a job in order:
1)Blaster Enyo
2)Med pulses Retribution
3)Gist Harpy
4)Wolf
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Dethusan
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Posted - 2006.05.08 16:55:00 -
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ya i see now its probably best just to get in a raven for them just to make things easier on myself. sucks but oh well
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Kainda Gordo
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:15:00 -
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-k-s- is a training corp for our alliance. We specialize in taking on n00bs and getting them ready for pvp and pve situations. We spend the whole time kitted for pvp in our rifters/kestrals, but sometimes hunt rats when nothing is going on.
A group of three rifters (all pilots with < 1mil skills) can happily take on most 0.0 spawns. the 500k bs go down easy, but we dont recomend taking on the bigger ones with only three ships (simply because it takes so long!)
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2006.05.08 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: DaveW
Yes, you'll need a Battleship....
This is essentially what it boils down to. If you don't have a HAC/CC on hand, you'll probalby be most effective in a battleship. Sure you can do it with assault frigs and even interceptors, but its generally not as effective isk/time.
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lemay
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Posted - 2006.05.09 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk
Originally by: Dethusan
Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
With a high (level 4) Caldari Cruiser skill, caracals can be quite effective for ratting due to the missile bonus. I have no trouble whatsoever taking a dual battleship serpentis spawn in a caracal, provided I get in close early on.
If you have decent shield, cruiser and missile skills, ratting in a caracal in 0.0 space is simple.
I concur, I rat in 0.0 in my Caracal all the time. But I do just the opposite.
Rather than getting in close, I lurk out at 100km and bomb them. Serpentis can't hit me out at that range. They occasionally get in a 500-600 damage hit, but that's rare. I've never been killed by an NPC bs to date.
I am torn, though, on if kiling battleships is even worth it. I can kill BC's and Cruisers, plus their various support faster.
But, last time I measured it, I made more killing small ships by a few grand, so it was inconclusive.
anyway, that's off-topic.
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.05.09 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: lemay
I concur, I rat in 0.0 in my Caracal all the time. But I do just the opposite.
Rather than getting in close, I lurk out at 100km and bomb them. Serpentis can't hit me out at that range. They occasionally get in a 500-600 damage hit, but that's rare. I've never been killed by an NPC bs to date.
I didn't know a caracal could lock at that range, and imo if you are adding sensor boosters, its a big waste if you are doing lvl 4 missions or 0.0 ratting.
For lvl 4s, I love my cerberus. Its without a doubt my fav ship... and it makes meat out of any guristas. With heavy launcher IIs, 2 bcu IIs, warheads 5, and all other missles skills to 4, its the wickedest piece of machinery around... and I'm still not done training. I got my ROF just over 5 seconds!
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lemay
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Posted - 2006.05.09 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: 0bsession
Originally by: lemay
I concur, I rat in 0.0 in my Caracal all the time. But I do just the opposite.
Rather than getting in close, I lurk out at 100km and bomb them. Serpentis can't hit me out at that range. They occasionally get in a 500-600 damage hit, but that's rare. I've never been killed by an NPC bs to date.
I didn't know a caracal could lock at that range, and imo if you are adding sensor boosters, its a big waste if you are doing lvl 4 missions or 0.0 ratting.
For lvl 4s, I love my cerberus. Its without a doubt my fav ship... and it makes meat out of any guristas. With heavy launcher IIs, 2 bcu IIs, warheads 5, and all other missles skills to 4, its the wickedest piece of machinery around... and I'm still not done training. I got my ROF just over 5 seconds!
With one booster, and long-range targetting at III it's 99km. I usually have orbit set for 97 or so. Later in the week I plan on brining LRT up to IV, which will push me completely over the 100km line.
The biggest downside is the fact that it takes bloody *forever* for looting. Click AB, read a book, walk the dog, etc (or rather, blabble on the forums).
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0bsession
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Posted - 2006.05.09 02:06:00 -
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I got me a tractor beam on Cerb... works wonders 
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Blitz'Krieg
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Posted - 2006.05.09 02:14:00 -
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I've done a lot of 0.0 ratting in a ferox. they can passive tank double and triple bs spawn's easily enough. With t2 drones and t2 launchers you'll break tanks nice. TBH tho, why use anything but a bs? Its quicker, and with tractor's you'll loot pick fast enough.
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Jigglepants
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Posted - 2006.05.09 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Dethusan
Cruisers (caracal) viable as well or is that pushing it :P
AFs can do it, but thats usually pushing it. Their main boon over the cruisers is their low sig radius.
Tell that to my blaster enyo taking out triple 1.25m serp BS spawns in minutes.
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Murukan
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Posted - 2006.05.09 03:01:00 -
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I use a megathron to npc in angel territory and it works wonderfully. I use a blasterthron so the raw dps of 7nuetrons makes up for the resists they have. I can tank and kill a triple throne spawn easily (1.5mil rats) however we don't have any in my corp's system that go above that so i dunno about highers. The only downside to my bthron is against the long range angels (only 2 i run into, nephilims and saints) i just warp out because i'll never get to hit them.
But this is also against angels who most of the bships mwd right up next to you, perfect for blasters 
And for the cruisers/bcs and what not that stay 20km+ 5 beserkers or wasps tear through them quite nicely.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.05.09 03:36:00 -
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A Ferox handles almost all lvl 4s. But its slower than most BSs.
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Fyreclaws
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Posted - 2006.05.09 03:42:00 -
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A character with 15m SP plus can do almost anything in any type of ship. But your average new person to the game, that does not have the skills to use T2 ships or even T2 guns or launchers will find it very hard to hunt rats in 0.0 space with anything but a BS.
Sure it is easy for a ferox to tank the spawns in 0.0 space, but without a lot of missile and drone skill points, they will lack the dps to kill a BS.
Get into a T1 BS, and then start getting the skills that will allow you to hunt rats in 0.0 space in a smaller and faster ship.
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Dinique
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Posted - 2006.05.09 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Fyreclaws
A character with 15m SP plus can do almost anything in any type of ship. But your average new person to the game, that does not have the skills to use T2 ships or even T2 guns or launchers will find it very hard to hunt rats in 0.0 space with anything but a BS.
Sure it is easy for a ferox to tank the spawns in 0.0 space, but without a lot of missile and drone skill points, they will lack the dps to kill a BS.
Get into a T1 BS, and then start getting the skills that will allow you to hunt rats in 0.0 space in a smaller and faster ship.
Ferox + Named Launchers + Rapid Launch 4 + Heavy Missile 4 + 2x BCS = Dead Serpentis Rats.
Thats not so SP Intensive and quite effective. The more expensive BS spawns take a little bit of time, but everyting else goes down fast.
If you are in a ferox, and you dont have a tractor beam, dont even bother looting cans unless they are close :p
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MrBreaker
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Posted - 2006.05.10 09:00:00 -
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While its possible to take 0.0 spawns in ships smaller than a BS, the battleship wins not coz of its tanking but because of DPS.
If you can take all the rats in 3 systems, during the time it takes a bcruiser to take one rat in one system, you have made more profit so therefore battleship beats a bcruiser hands down, even if both can theoretically tank the spawn.
Its down to isk per hour, you arent pigeon holed however.
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loony zoon
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Posted - 2006.05.10 09:12:00 -
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Done Lvl4 missions in blaster enyo, and ratted in 0.0 vs angel and serp rats.
Not every lvl4 mission is doable. If there are a lot of sentry guns or a lot of webbing frigs, you're probably screwed.
Ratting in 0.0 is easy, but anything over about 1.5mill may have a tank you can't break, but you can go and make a cup of tea while trying to do so, as the bs will not hit an enyo orbitting close.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.05.10 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
I use a megathron to npc in angel territory and it works wonderfully. I use a blasterthron so the raw dps of 7nuetrons makes up for the resists they have. I can tank and kill a triple throne spawn easily (1.5mil rats) however we don't have any in my corp's system that go above that so i dunno about highers. The only downside to my bthron is against the long range angels (only 2 i run into, nephilims and saints) i just warp out because i'll never get to hit them.
But this is also against angels who most of the bships mwd right up next to you, perfect for blasters
And for the cruisers/bcs and what not that stay 20km+ 5 beserkers or wasps tear through them quite nicely.
MWD or AB?
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