Let us try to remember that this is a game, and while this does favor someone that owns a system, it also makes the game incredibly boring.

id rather lose the isk, than my PI goods.
if the POCO's owner is ages away, then dec them and take their POCO.

Its a good fix. However, lots of these small corporations depend on the PI they get to fund there towers, and if you start taking a chunk of that out (average in high sec is about 25% right now) then it becomes more difficult for these corps to fund assets and more difficult for them to save the isk to put up POCO's, let alone war deck these large alliances you speak of so they can put them up in high sec.

1) Start extracting high-volume low-profit things on multiple planets
2) Export into a freighter filling the tax bay
3) Laugh at the owner

I like this.

The tax rate is currently a flat rate based on the item tier (P1, P2, etc.) times the tax multiplier. By taking the percentage off the goods instead of the ISK you'd actually be raising the tax.

I think a cap would just work better, though I'm sure the people in said mega-alliances would disagree. Maybe 1 POCO for every 10 players in a corp. Or it could be a soft cap where once you exceed that limit, your tax earnings on all POCOs begin to drop.

a quick look around low sec and you will see that almost every POCO is owned by a very small group of alliances

This is laughable, there are literally 10s of thousands of pocos owned by small groups for whom the existing system works just fine. Just because op doesn't feel he can take our pocos, he would rather CCP waste a load of development time making the game boring as opposed to taking pocos somewhere else.

If you owned only 2 systems this would be an insane amount of hauling for what is a tiny amount of income (tax is at best 300k per poco per day atm) Even worse if the abuse suggested in post 10 occurred.
This change would destroy the viability of pocos as an income source entirely (woo 2 million isk per hour of hauling) as no one would ever be interested in owning them except to get free tax for themselves, which is of course what op wants, being too lazy to take his own.



TLDR, op lazy, thousands of available pocos (including whole systems of interbus) pocos make too little for this to be viable


Just because there is a poco you can't take does not mean they are not working as intended, there is a huge amount of conflict over pocos, creating a huge amount of content, this change would completely neuter that.

Have you even been to lowsec? This is categorically untrue and yet the main basis of your argument.

Just because the first few planets you checked were owned by the same group doesn't mean the other 7 thousand are.

I like the idea. POCO'S seem more passive and static than I thought they would be.

They could also introduce a POCO Tax Siphon or something that means the owner has to come along and actively protect his asset. Something to make owning 100 POCO's unmanageable, without destroying the incentive to own 10 (replace 100 and 10 with different numbers as necessary - its the principle that's important)

You seem to have made a lot of assumptions about myself in your two posts, with a pretty angry undertone. One calling me lazy and the other insinuating I'm lying/don't know what I'm talking about.
Can't imagine why you would be opposed to changes to POCO passive income or a calm and educated discussion on POCO mechanics.

For the basis of this argument I'll do a survey of a few regions tonight, but the results will show that most of the POCOs are owned by a small number of groups with mega alliance backing. The point of this thread is to outline that IF CCP did intend for POCOs to generate fighting and competition between low-sec/high-sec groups local to the POCOs then they have failed. I don't believe that passive income belongs in eve. A 5 minute bash/5 minute take down after RF does not constitute enough work for indefinite passive income. My suggestion addresses this and means more work needs to take place for each asset - the same as with POSs (fuel/mineral extraction).

My suggestion is not perfect and would take a lot of fine tuning. There has already been some fantastic criticism and discussion taken place on here.

almost every POCO is owned by a very small group of alliances

IF CCP did intend for POCOs to generate fighting and competition between low-sec/high-sec groups local to the POCOs then they have failed

The point of this thread

indefinite passive income

Furthermore - even if these points were irrelevant or accurate, as I previously mentioned - at 300k isk a day income, pocos take on average 1 year to make back their 100mil investment. If this change was implemented, significantly more work would need to be done to recover the same amount of isk (unless you propose a massive tax hike) making pocos completely pointless as an investment and rendering them unused. There would be no more conflict over them as seen above, as none of them would be worth taking.
I think presumably not owning any/many pocos has led you to massively overestimate the passive income they provide - as a group we primarily own them BECAUSE of the content that they generate - their introduction had a huge positive impact on lowsec (and subsequently highsec pvp) - your proposal will remove this and considering your proposal is based on the statement that this conflict does not exist, your proposal is invalid anyway.


Don't forget to include Molden Heath, Aridia, The Forge, Placid etc in your survey. Lowsec is a lot bigger than you apparently think if you think that one group even owns a tiny portion of the pocos.

One final point - pocos do not provide - they have to be used by players - what little isk they generate does not come out of thin air - pocos have massively increased peaceful player interaction in lowsec as well as violent interaction, as PI users negotiate tax rates, favourable standings etc with local poco owners. Comparing them to poses which bring in orders of magnitude more isk, and require interacting with 30 times less than you are proposing, is again, laughable.


I would love you to come back with evidence that shows that large alliances own almost all the pocos in lowsec (there are 6945 viable planets in lowsec btw - i'll wait) and that there is no conflict over them (that's a lot of fake killmails).

I'm not sure where the 300k per day figure is from, but I imagine that for ones that are used often it is much higher than that. Perhaps you have some data which would show how that figure was deduced.

a change in ownership of 0.05% of the POCOs every day or 1.5% change every month.

I did a quick survey of 2 regions (Metropolis and The Forge) and a single corp seemed to own over 85% of the POCOs I checked.

The two things I don't think are in line with CCP's vision of eve are:
1. Passive income.

2. Uncontested POCOs/ Uncontested Income

Wern't player owned customs offices in high and low sec supposed to generate content in empire space? Small groups vying for the POCOs in their home systems so that they could control tax and reign in other local groups taxes?

I think you are missing a bet. remember we have siphon units. that means if this were done, and the siphon units were given that capacity, you could set it off station, cloak it so its not seen without someone actually looking and have it remove some of the items. IF the big alliances aren't watching these systems properly, they might not find out that they are losing items. IF a smaller group is watching it, they would see when one of people from that alliance is nearby and shut it down so that no one would notice.

Did big corps grab all the highsec customs offices?

Serious question, as I don't visit highsec very often. I did help my alliance grab a bunch near Jita, but that was it. And we didn't even take all of those, we split them with RvB. And they haven't been totally passive, because so many people hate us for some reason or another, so we've had a lot of POCO rep ops.

Which big corps grabbed the rest of highsec POCOs? And why is no one challenging them?