Context, previous sentence mentioned new players only.

You're looking for a problem that doesn't exist.

Not sure of the issue.

Only a new player would accidentally flip a yellow can and be vulnerable.

Anyone else would either:
1, ignore the can entirely,
2. flip deliberately in a disposable PvP ship and wait for the fight (happens in Hek all the time)
or
3. cargo scan and if the goodies are worth it grab an intie, flip the can and scarper out of system and park in a safe spot till the timer expires.

And? Seriously, what's the problem?

The rule referred to by the OP is banning dropping yellow containers to bait people into going suspect.


Stealing mission loot and ransoming it back (regardless of whether the real intention is griefing noobs for tears or not) is perfectly fine according to the rules.

All you need to be "legal" is some pretense of it being to make money. The New Order "permits" are like this, because they do actually make money from permits, they have a loop hole that lets them grief new miners without getting banned providing they do not harass the same guy continually and make some attempt to "advertise" their rules.

As far as I know stealing mission items for ransom is not regarded as griefing and never has been in any system, not even a noob school system. Do you have evidence of anyone getting in trouble for flipping mission cans ?

Plz keep on topic

What do the Changes to the rules mean

Who is Protected by them ?

Whats no longer allowed that once was allowed?

If you actually read into the big red box on the Rookie Systems wiki page, you find out newbies everywhere in EVE are protected.




The second, bold line is the key. "Other areas" is interpreted by me as "areas that are not the newbie designated zones", I.E. the rest of EVE.

It seems kind of silly at this point to have designated newbie zones, when the "other areas" clause effectively makes all of EVE a newbie zone.

If you don't quit the mission but wait through a downtime, doesn't it reset and let you try again? You might not get the time bonus, but you don't have to quit the mission, either. IIRC, it worked for one of my newer corpmates a while back.

I ran the SoE almost 3 years ago, right after I started, and the guy trying to tempt me into picking up the can kept misspelling the name of the objective. Oops! :-)

If the mission doesn't flag complete until you turn in the objective to the agent, wouldn't it respawn after downtime?

I guess I should go rerun the SoE -- for science or something. I need to refresh my memory about Alitura, anyway. I have an idea for a fanfic where an angry capsuleer gets all up in her face for sending them on crappy missions.

I will delightfully and without any remorse whatsoever pump projectiles into any target I think I can kill wherever I am. I will not check their incep date first to see if they are a newbies or not. I'll explode their pod too if I can catch it. And unless I get my "gf" returned or some other show of sportsmanship I won't convo newbies or replace their lost isk either. This is a fulltime PvP game. EvE has the worst PvE of any current MMO. The only thing that makes it fun is knowing that at any time someone can come **** in your part of the sandbox and learning how to deal with that.

I anxiously await my griefing ban for blowing spaceships the hell up in a spaceship blowing up video game. Then I'll go play DayZ or something.

Yeah, because dozens of veteran players are running the SoE arc in order to get the exquisite Destroyers skill book. And those few that do for standings will fall for the can bait trick.

As someone else wrote, this whole thread appears to be a justification for "Oh my, I accidentally killed a newbie while aiming for 76B Machariels".

Besides, he's totally asking the wrong people. Only CCP can answer his questions, so I feel entitled to ridicule him.