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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.05.09 13:52:00 -
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Hi,
I was just reading through the turret tracking guide and realized that it is depending on transversal speed.
Why is that? Transversal speed can not be compared to the turrets tracking since the turrets specify their tracking as radians / second while the transversal is just a speed perpenticular against the vector between the two ships.
Imagine a case when two ships fly alongside each other. In one case they are flying 100m from each other and one ship is going 200m/s faster than the other ship. The transversal speed is now 200m/s.
Imagine the same scenario but it is 10km between the ships instead. The transversal is still 200m/s now but the radial speed is around 100 times as easy to track.
Does this really mean that the guns hit as good in both cases with the current formula or is it a problem in the Guide?
Perhaps transversal is normated by distance in the actual formula, but unfortunately the guide doesn't name the formula itself.
Can someone clearify this for me?
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:07:00 -
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Yes, I kinda guessed that it was divided by distance when used in the formula, but still... but that still makes transversal speed totally meaningsless as a measurement for anything really.
So why put it in the guide that is supposed to help new people and even more important. Why can you choose to see transversal speed in the overview?
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:21:00 -
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Edited by: Emsigma on 09/05/2006 14:23:24
 Originally by: Gronsak
well if you look at your turrets tracking speed in radians per sec, and multiply it by your targets distance you get a velocity, if ur targets trans velocity is lower than the tracking u will hit him fine ect
I would like to see one single pilot out there that crunches 0.013 x distance with a calculator while fighting :)
Specially when you have radial speed as an option on the overview that I have NEVER seen anyone but myself use.
I am confident that 90% of the players think that transversal speed is an absolute measure to how good you hit a moving targets when it infact means nothing.
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.05.09 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Emsigma
I am confident that 90% of the players think that transversal speed is an absolute measure to how good you hit a moving targets when it infact means nothing.
Yep,
low = Shoot
high = Web, then shoot
...seems to work fine for me.
So what does it mean to you when an assault frig has a transversal of 600m/s? Can you shoot it or not?
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.05.09 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Originally by: Emsigma
Does this really mean that the guns hit as good in both cases with the current formula or is it a problem in the Guide?
No. If the ship is close to you and orbiting you at 1000m you at 200m/s sustained, its going to be "passing accross your guns sights" much faster than a ship orbiting you at 200m/s at 10km out. Therefore the ship that is closer will have a higher transverse velocity, thus making it harder to hit. Guns can only track at a certain speed after all.
I think we are meaning the same thing but I expressed myself a bit clumpsy.
What I meant is that the flash made tracking guide talks about transversal as a key figure that you should consider when examining your chanses of tracking, and then asks if that is the case, and thus making the turret tracking formula severly bugged, or if it was the guide that was wrongly made.
What I am meaning is that if a ship has a transversal of 200m/s from you at 1km you are never gonna hit it with cruiser turrets. If you fire at a ship that goes 200m/s transversal from you at 60km (assumng you can hit that far) you won't miss a shot due to tracking problems.
If TomB had never ever named transversal in that guide I don't think people would have missunderstood it at all.
To ask "how fast was his transversal" is an EVE analogy to the question "how long is a rope".
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.05.09 20:28:00 -
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Uhm... radial velocity IS on the overview :)
I have it on :)
It's under columns :)
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Emsigma
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Posted - 2006.05.09 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Emsigma on 09/05/2006 21:15:23
Edit: Don't mind me :)
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