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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
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Posted - 2014.04.14 03:00:00 -
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I'm not ignoring them. I'm simply stating that the factors you mention are mostly irrelevant in most cases.
You can fit sebos on the moros and unfit them after you lock the first target (I personally do this). You can also fit sig amps in the lows.
If there is a bhaalgorn on field and your dread(s) cannot kill it immediately, you've lost the fight regardless of whether or not your dread's guns can be neuted out.
Slaves are irrelevant since armor dreads, even with slaves, are still worse than shield capitals. Also, you say that implants favor larger numbers. Good thing the moros does a significantly larger amount of dps than the rest, so it gets a bigger bonus from implants.
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Jack Miton
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
3236
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Posted - 2014.04.14 03:38:00 -
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bottom line is this. If your 16k dps moros can't tank my 13k dps nag while it can tank the moros, the extra DPS isnt really the deciding factor is it? Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
290
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Posted - 2014.04.14 04:11:00 -
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Well considering a shield moros tanks significantly more than 13k dps, I'd say that's not a really a valid comparison |
Jack Miton
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.14 05:37:00 -
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*sigh* You clearly don't understand basic reasoning so I'm out man. You do what you want for whatever reason you want to. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |
Freddie Merrcury
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2014.04.14 05:38:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:>talking about which dread is the best
There is only one metric that matters, and that is DPS. So the moros is the best. ebig :^) I been kicked out of better homes than this. |
Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:12:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:*sigh* You clearly don't understand basic reasoning so I'm out man. You do what you want for whatever reason you want to. Don't worry about it, Angsty Teenager just wants to be told he's right, like an angsty teenager in fact. |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
290
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Posted - 2014.04.14 06:47:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:*sigh* You clearly don't understand basic reasoning so I'm out man. You do what you want for whatever reason you want to.
I understand exactly what you're trying to say, but you're talking about a scenario that is completely unrealistic, and that's why i responded in the fashion I did.
DPS is more important than tank because unlike tank, it is stackable on one target. I.e. the dps advantage from the moros scales with the number of moroses, while the tank advantage for a nag does not. 2 moroes vs 2 nags will give you a 6k dps advantage, but the tank advantage of the nag over the moros will stay static.
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Paikis
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
1151
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Posted - 2014.04.14 07:20:00 -
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Angsty Teenager wrote:Jack Miton wrote:*sigh* You clearly don't understand basic reasoning so I'm out man. You do what you want for whatever reason you want to. I understand exactly what you're trying to say, but you're talking about a scenario that is completely unrealistic, and that's why i responded in the fashion I did. DPS is more important than tank because unlike tank, it is stackable on one target. I.e. the dps advantage from the moros scales with the number of moroses, while the tank advantage for a nag does not. 2 moroes vs 2 nags will give you a 6k dps advantage, but the tank advantage of the nag over the moros will stay static.
You are correct, but in a wormhole, the most you're realistically going to face is 3 dreads (unless you're seeding). A Naglfar can be setup to tank 3 Moroses forever. You know exactly what you're going to be shot with: 42% Thermal, and 58% Kinetic. Tank for those two damage types.
A Moros however cannot tank 3 Naglfars because the Nags can use all damage types. If you tank for Thermal, they shoot EM, if you tank for EM, they shoot Explosive. You need a rainbow tank, and you simply can't do it.
3 Nags will kill 3 Moroses every time with 0 losses. |
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
290
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Posted - 2014.04.14 08:17:00 -
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v0v, so bring 1 nag, 2 moros then. Shoot emp while they tank kin/therm.
The moros is the best dread, but you're right in saying that bringing 100% moroses is not always the right choice. Same as bringing 100% arty maelstroms won't work, you need some webbing ships.
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
163
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Posted - 2014.04.14 09:21:00 -
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An actual thing that happens in running sites in a Moros, even with all V +implants, is that they get so much pressure from rats that they have to actually stop firing or even drop out of siege even after refitting to cap/rep because the neut pressure is just too high.
A nag will in the same situation not have the same issue and can continue firing while repping because of being able to refit more cap rechargers because of more mids while keeping lows for tank.
So no, DPS is not the only consideration as there are many situations that happen regularly while running sites that reduce or negate that advantage on a Moros while it does not effect the Nag, or effects it less.
Saying that everything but the DPS consideration is irrelevant is extremely shortsighted and narrow minded and is probably the main reason everyone wants to change black holes when they can be run quite decently with Nags. |
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