Hey, been playing Eve on and off for a few years. I like the game in theory, it is just hard for me to find good fights, I find fights, just not goodfights. I would rather lose a substantial amount of isk in a close battle that taught me something than get on an even bigger killmail via a gatecamp.

off grid boosting is the crux for me. My 4 accounts are expiring. No you cant have my stuff I'll be back when its removed

For those of you that are for it - Is there any other benefit to do this other than just 'getting the booster ship/pilot out of harms way while a fight is happening'?

I'm honestly trying to figure out what all the divisiveness on this is and why CCP has not stepped in yet.

For those of you that are for it - Is there any other benefit to do this other than just 'getting the booster ship/pilot out of harms way while a fight is happening'?

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Here's a suggestion. If you have 4 accounts, why don't you have your own OGB helping you out? Just keep it on a second monitor and warp it to another bookmark when you can afford to shut it off for a few seconds.

Like logistics and ewar, it's a force multiplier, allowing smaller fleets and lone pilots the opportunity to take on larger opponents.

However, if you bring it on grid, it will be primaried and killed as quickly as possible. That will favour blop tactics. Blop wins.

Thats the best reason I believe they should stay off grid. They aren't safe (though can be very, very difficult to scan down), but at least a blop can't just hit them and then wipeout the rest of the opponent.

GǪin fact, let's get down to the main detail here: why do you have 4 accounts?

I can actually empathize with the 200+ man fleets, in those cases, yes your OGB would be primary. I guess I can only speak for small gang and solo

...and farm FW plexes with warp stabs for the others.

Justifying OGB is like admitting you can't win without it. Why not push for OGRR while you are at it?

Justifying OGB is like admitting you can't win without it. Why not push for OGRR while you are at it?

My 4 accounts are expiring. No you cant have my stuff I'll be back when its removed

Because OGB makes sense within the type of scifi EvE is

OGRR would not

Saying its unjust and should be removed is like saying that NORAD should be on top of a tower in Germany and not under ground 10,000 miles from any warfront.

Which will be never, judging by CCP's rate of admitting they've made horrendous errors in judgment.

Because everything in EVE behave like in reality right? Why are projectiles from guns able to travel over 200 km withing a single second? How can my secure container hold more than it's own volume within itself?

It's not about what it's like in reality it's about balance. Why is a ship having an influence in combat not on the line of fire like all other ship having an effect on that same fight? It's just as stupid as the drone boat hiding behind a POS shield.

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I don't believe that's the case.

Since joining the game 9 months ago I've had access to links when in fleet. We also take logistics. There are only a couple of guys in our regular fleets that have boosting alts, so we have links about 50% of the time on weekend roams. We still win without the links present.

The links though gives us a lot more flexibility. Some slots can be switched out from defensive mods to ewar and/or we can take on opponents with more confidence even if they are larger or in more powerful ships. We often fly frigates in FW areas, but will engage cruiser fleets when we have links for example (we often die then too, but we have fun).

For us, its not a compensation for anything. Its about flexibility and more freedom to engage different targets that we wouldn't otherwise.

Ok, I admit, I cocked it by making a real world comparision, I apologise.

But why would ANY of this mean it suddenly makes sense to put a Command and Control Unit at the front in a battle?

Its just a terrible idea, there is no reason why it should be this way.

Either match it with your own, or hunt it down and kill it. What is wrong with that?

Hey, been playing Eve on and off for a few years....

The fact that it's not on grid where the fight is happeneing is what is wrong. Your command unit in the sense of current IRL NORAD would be the off-grid prober giving a warpin on the enemy logi group by using it's own version of surveillance satellite (combat probes) to direct you in a strategic way. All the bonus we get out of boosters currently are more tactic which would be the equivalent of the "on the field" platoon leader directing his troop to to be more efficient on the field.

At least that what it look like from my point of view...

Hey, been playing Eve on and off for a few years. I like the game in theory, it is just hard for me to find good fights, I find fights, just not goodfights. I would rather lose a substantial amount of isk in a close battle that taught me something than get on an even bigger killmail via a gatecamp.

off grid boosting is the crux for me. My 4 accounts are expiring. No you cant have my stuff I'll be back when its removed

WTB perfect OGB!

WTB perfect OGB!

The fact that it's not on grid where the fight is happeneing is what is wrong. Your command unit in the sense of current IRL NORAD would be the off-grid prober giving a warpin on the enemy logi group by using it's own version of surveillance satellite (combat probes) to direct you in a strategic way. All the bonus we get out of boosters currently are more tactic which would be the equivalent of the "on the field" platoon leader directing his troop to to be more efficient on the field.

At least that what it look like from my point of view...

While I can understand if the gripe of an Off grid booster was about the booster being behind a POS shield (not sure if they can still do that or if CCP got around to it) you have every opportunity to probe down the command ship, lock it down and either scare it or force your opponent onto defensive measures. If you cannot do this then I would assume that you are not fighting against an even force and that their boosts are cutting your battle mercifully short.

While this isn't F&I the only thing I would suggest to CCP to make warfare links a "siege" mode so that the ship itself is stuck in space while using their links.

Because OGB makes sense within the type of scifi EvE is

I feel like starting a new boosting account to negate OP's departure.

So... practise probing and bring a probeship if you want a chance at killing off-grid boosters

i think it if was easier to scan down the booster that would change things a fair bit

it wouldn't effect 1v1 combat, but would make a difference in people willing to risk their alt

Just because CCP hasn't figured out how to kill OGB without a mountain of code, doesn't mean it should be kept in the game...

My youngest often holds her breath to try to get what she wants too, it doesn't work for her either....

Well I'm unsubbing until he comes back....

No not really...

CCP should have a new rule. Every nub mumbling "Can I have your stuff" like a begging goof should be perma banned...from everything...

To the contrary; it's just about the only reason they're still in game.

Armoured warfare as a boost makes no sense at all and the rest amount to using the command ship as a glorified multithread multicore CPU processor, which in a game where we can instantly communicate over 200+ lightyears, and if you have contact details into another dimension points more to the why would you want to be on field?

While I can understand if the gripe of an Off grid booster was about the booster being behind a POS shield (not sure if they can still do that or if CCP got around to it) you have every opportunity to probe down the command ship, lock it down and either scare it or force your opponent onto defensive measures. If you cannot do this then I would assume that you are not fighting against an even force and that their boosts are cutting your battle mercifully short.]

While this isn't F&I the only thing I would suggest to CCP to make warfare links a "siege" mode so that the ship itself is stuck in space while using their links. This would mean that FCs would have to be concious of the positioning of the command ships and be ready to pull forces to defend them off grid. This also means that people who are fast on their probes have a chance to catch out command ships.

By command I mean any ship with a warefare link.