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Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 571	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:36:00 - [31] - Quote Im done. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Psychotic Monk for CSM 9
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted 434	Posted - 2014.04.11 19:58:00 - [32] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: It's actually true Leto. I have some newer accounts that I use the mining guy to pay for while they skill up. (though w/ the plex prices this may not be feasable going forward). I think it's a valid question too. No I won't do 2 clicks to dock - that's crap. I'm going to finish the roids I'm mining and get back to it when I get back to it. There is an obvious difference between a BOT and a guy that just got called to dinner or went to answer a phone or greet his kids coming in the door (and no I'm not looking to debate the difference - code guys are obvious pros at spotting botters, so they know the difference too) My question (again) If I'm sitting afk in a belt NOT MINING am I gankable by the code guys? It's a simple question. I'm not looking for tears or discussion. I just want a code guy (able to speak for the group) to say wether they gank afk miners not mining or not. Yes you are gankable. We target anyone who is not following the code as laid out on the minerbumping website. The part where people trip up is the definition of bot-aspirant behavior. What you are doing counts. We expect all players in high sec to be taking the same precautions to protect themselves as they would in null sec or low sec. This means using d-scan and watching local for known gankers. Miners are additionally expected to purchase permits, but the permit is not a pass to display bot-aspirant behavior. If you are unable to comply with this, you will have to take your chances in being ganked. Hell even if you do comply you're taking your chances that some other (non-new order) group might see a tasty exhumer in the belt. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Jeremy Kamira D.A.R.K A.N.G.E.L.Z 3	Posted - 2014.04.11 22:40:00 - [33] - Quote Can we please keep this thread on-topic? I don't want this to become a Code hater thread.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted 435	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:36:00 - [34] - Quote Back to the original question. If I were not a new order agent, I personally would give the guy a warning to stop afk mining, and if he continues blow up his ship and check for pod movement. if his pod continues moving back and forth, report him for botting and kick him from the corp. If it doesn't you could pay back part of his loss, but make it clear that he is asking to get ganked. Since I am a New Order agent, I would skip the warning part, watch the pod to see if I should report him, then pod him, and if he stays in corp repeat the process until he becomes compliant or leaves. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 627	Posted - 2014.04.11 23:49:00 - [35] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: horrible confession of afk mining. raptor jesus cries. Well, if you aren't there to watch local, you being afk and all, don't be surprised if you come back and find your pod floating in space or, more likely, sitting in whatever station you have selected after getting podded. Just saying. Anything can happen when you step away from the keyboard, you know. Renegade GM's, fluffy pink bunny Sansha incursions, Cannibal Kane riding on a bicycle...... Anything at all. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Linna Baresi 34	Posted - 2014.04.13 10:53:00 - [36] - Quote I played AION at launch... which probably explains my outright hatred for bots. Imagine a game completely infested by them. A game where every single quest location is swarmed by them, to the point you cannot progress, because the bots will target the quest mobs before they even fully spawn. You get good at spotting them fast, from sheer self preservation. You also learn a lot about what they can and can't do. My response, in the end, was to go to enemy territory, where I could kill them, and level off of bot gankjng. Which taught me a few more things. All bots repeat patterns. The bad ones run short ones, the good ones run (very) long ones. They keep repeating the same actions, in the same order, following the same routes, following set coordinates. When killed, they will respawn and head right back to their area of operation, continuing the cycle where they left off. Some bot programs, the more advanced ones, have programmed combat responses. This can include instant reaction to known predators. In AION, they would try to fight you. They would not be very good at it, but if there were multiple bots running the same programming in an area, they could swamp you. There is, however, no reason why there couldn't be a flight response, which would be more suitable for EVE. Those same more advanced bot programs will allow random text spouted in chat or responding to incoming tells/whispers/pms, making them harder to detect. Not actually answering in a regular chat, however, is a strong indication something might be up. Please note that it is entirely possible someone is monitoring their bot or bots, and actually gets to the keyboard from time to time. Just the fact they sometimes answer, does not mean they're not a bot. Watch the patterns, see if they're targeting things in the exact same order in the exact same location. And yes, killing the ship to see if the pod returns to 'mine' might work. I'm afraid the more advanced programs might actually have a check programmed in whether the ship is still there... it never does to underestimate what can be done. Member of <Fated> since 2003 fated.europefreeforum.com
John XIII Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 177	Posted - 2014.04.14 00:25:00 - [37] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: Bots are easy to determine. Convo the character. If the convo is ignored - BOT If the guy says 'yes, I'm botting' - BOT If the guy says nothing - BOT If the guy says 'no' LYING BOT If the guy engages you in witty conversation - WELL PROGRAMMED BOT pop anything that ends in BOT. *tips hat
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 114	Posted - 2014.04.14 08:33:00 - [38] - Quote Jeremy Kamira wrote: Can we please keep this thread on-topic? I don't want this to become a Code hater thread. Well, he's either really anti-social or a bot or both. Kill him, kick him. Or kick him and kill him afterwards. Also: what's his name and what is he flying? I might do the killing for you if you contact me ingame if you want to keep your hands clean.
Tengu Grib Maniacal Laughter Ltd. 29	Posted - 2014.04.14 16:43:00 - [39] - Quote I volunteer to join your corp and deal with the situation. It will be hard work, but the results will speak for themselves. Feel free to convo me in game, or send me a mail. My services will be free, it is my duty, not my job. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
Desivo Delta Visseroff Cataclysmic Paradox 204	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:37:00 - [40] - Quote 350125GO wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: I was just raised in a kind of environment where you don't snitch on your family/crew, no matter how heinous an act they commit. That logic is how you survive on the street, not in the world. At some point you grow up and become a member of society. This however is a game, and cheaters make it less enjoyable for everyone. So have fun and blow that miner to bits. Confirming Snitches get stitches. Street smarts permeate through all of life, especially the corporate world. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Do you job and always agree with your boss. Maybe this "corpmate" was brought in by someone higher up on the food chain than you and s**** on them will get your toons s* on. But whatever, pop him if you must. Just be sure to bring your own tears back here for all of us to enjoy.
Wulfgar WarHammer Imperium Research Inc 96	Posted - 2014.04.14 18:54:00 - [41] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Why the hell would you shoot your own corpmate? How about not being a rat snitch and just mind your own damn business? Previously I had a little bit of respect for you as someone who disagreed with the new order and its goals. After reading this post I lost that. Did you really think even the slightest before coming on the official public Eve Forums and telling someone not to report bots? Botters ruin the game for other miners by driving ore prices down, and making what should be a profitable profession into a mindless grind for pennies. Say what you will about gankers targeting AFK or untanked miners, but don't defend people breaking the EULA in a public space. /end real talk Although I care nothing for your respect, my course of action would be to talk to the CEO. See how he reacts. If he doesn't do anything, I'd either: A. AWOX the corp B. Leave the corp Depending on how the vibe in the corp is. But I still stand by my statement, I would not petition CCP because I don't feel like it's my duty to do so. I'll report botters once they do something about ISBoxer, how's that
Reppyk The Black Shell Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns 554	Posted - 2014.04.14 19:10:00 - [42] - Quote Sadly nobody gave a good answer. C+P, you're failing at this one. Try this : (assuming he's not mining in caldari space) buy a griffin fit it with a few gallente ECMs get in his belt jam it (easy even with low skills) -beware of the drones aha- wait a bit stop jamming him 1) he's complaining => maybe not a bot (but a few people use bots while looking at the screen ; just to lazy to click on the lil' lasers) 2) he stops mining until the DT => a bad bot 3) he is mining back immediately => a good bot. I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. -áI AM A LOWSEC GANKER, HIGHSEC SCUM, NULLSEC BASTARD, WORMHOLE INVADER. Welcome to, welcome to, welcome to my scramble. GÖÑ
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 241	Posted - 2014.04.15 13:45:00 - [43] - Quote Jeremy Kamira wrote: I have a feeling that a member of my corp is mining botting. We have bumped him out of mining range and 5 minutes later he started mining another asteroid. Multiple Convo's just time out Rarely ever answers in corp chat. "plays" almost all day Best miner in our corp Is their any other way to see if he is botting? Since this is technically a crime/against the rules, i thought this would belong here. If your corp would actually follow the Code, you wouldn't be here discussing this. BUT.... You can always kick him out (when he docks up).....OR..... You can have some serious, side-splitting hilarity with your buddies by making games out of him! Offer a prize of who can bump him the farthest! You'll be amazed on what you can fit on some ships. How about just kill him while mining?....Set up a standard fit ship you can all fly and offer prizes for top damage....final blow....who killed the pod! If you don't want to stop there, after you guys kill him (and/or pod) the challenge would be to race back to the station and grab a hauler and see who can get the loot first. You can even expand on that and fit out 'Battle Badgers' and make the challenge of 'who can get the loot to the station first' as you all hilariously scram/web/ shoot each other in a epic FFA fight to see who can make it back with the loot. Insert Signature Here.....
Tengu Grib Maniacal Laughter Ltd. 30	Posted - 2014.04.15 16:24:00 - [44] - Quote BuckStrider wrote: Jeremy Kamira wrote: I have a feeling that a member of my corp is mining botting. We have bumped him out of mining range and 5 minutes later he started mining another asteroid. Multiple Convo's just time out Rarely ever answers in corp chat. "plays" almost all day Best miner in our corp Is their any other way to see if he is botting? Since this is technically a crime/against the rules, i thought this would belong here. If your corp would actually follow the Code, you wouldn't be here discussing this. BUT.... You can always kick him out (when he docks up).....OR..... You can have some serious, side-splitting hilarity with your buddies by making games out of him! Offer a prize of who can bump him the farthest! You'll be amazed on what you can fit on some ships. How about just kill him while mining?....Set up a standard fit ship you can all fly and offer prizes for top damage....final blow....who killed the pod! If you don't want to stop there, after you guys kill him (and/or pod) the challenge would be to race back to the station and grab a hauler and see who can get the loot first. You can even expand on that and fit out 'Battle Badgers' and make the challenge of 'who can get the loot to the station first' as you all hilariously scram/web/ shoot each other in a epic FFA fight to see who can make it back with the loot. That sounds like a blast, I might actually set something like that up even without a botter in my corp. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
Pubbie Spy GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:06:00 - [45] - Quote Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote: 350125GO wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: I was just raised in a kind of environment where you don't snitch on your family/crew, no matter how heinous an act they commit. That logic is how you survive on the street, not in the world. At some point you grow up and become a member of society. This however is a game, and cheaters make it less enjoyable for everyone. So have fun and blow that miner to bits. Confirming Snitches get stitches. Street smarts permeate through all of life, especially the corporate world. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Do you job and always agree with your boss. Maybe this "corpmate" was brought in by someone higher up on the food chain than you and s**** on them will get your toons s* on. But whatever, pop him if you must. Just be sure to bring your own tears back here for all of us to enjoy. lol Tell me more about getting beaten up over the serious business of internet spaceships.
You're Mum Temnava Legion No Holes Barred 9	Posted - 2014.04.16 10:15:00 - [46] - Quote Pubbie Spy wrote: Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote: 350125GO wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: I was just raised in a kind of environment where you don't snitch on your family/crew, no matter how heinous an act they commit. That logic is how you survive on the street, not in the world. At some point you grow up and become a member of society. This however is a game, and cheaters make it less enjoyable for everyone. So have fun and blow that miner to bits. Confirming Snitches get stitches. Street smarts permeate through all of life, especially the corporate world. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Do you job and always agree with your boss. Maybe this "corpmate" was brought in by someone higher up on the food chain than you and s**** on them will get your toons s* on. But whatever, pop him if you must. Just be sure to bring your own tears back here for all of us to enjoy. lol Tell me more about getting beaten up over the serious business of internet spaceships. Careful he will shank you with a filed down toothbrush
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 792	Posted - 2014.04.16 12:09:00 - [47] - Quote Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: How about not being a rat snitch and just mind your own damn business? If someone is botting they need to be reported. I'm not really supportive of the miner bumping crowd but comments like this give them more credibility that miners support botting. Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: I'll report botters once they do something about ISBoxer, how's that ISBoxer actually requires you to be at the keyboard. It just makes the same click on multiple clients of Eve. This isn't even close to a bot program that plays the game for you 23 1/2 hours a day
Wulfgar WarHammer Imperium Research Inc 100	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:26:00 - [48] - Quote IIshira wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: How about not being a rat snitch and just mind your own damn business? If someone is botting they need to be reported. I'm not really supportive of the miner bumping crowd but comments like this give them more credibility that miners support botting. Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: I'll report botters once they do something about ISBoxer, how's that ISBoxer actually requires you to be at the keyboard. It just makes the same click on multiple clients of Eve. This isn't even close to a bot program that plays the game for you 23 1/2 hours a day It really doesn't surprise me that internet nerds cry to CCP when someone breaks the precious rules. I mean, after all, you've been doing that your whole life, amirite? Lets just agree that some of you like to cry and whine to whoever feigns interest when the bad men do bad things, and some of us keep our mouths shut and do our ***** jobs, and don't get involved with the business of others, mmm'kay? I don't support botting, because I don't do it. Do I give a ** if someone else is botting? No, they'll get caught in due time. If they don't get caught? CCP sucks at doing their jobs. It's not my job to rat out botters, I would rather applaud them for evading GM's and people parsing through log data. I knew gamers were a soft bunch, but for the love of God, grow some kind of spine, please, it's just plain embarrassing. "Mommy, that man uses a program to push buttons, BAN THE BAD MAN MOMMY! BAN HIM"
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 576	Posted - 2014.04.16 13:49:00 - [49] - Quote Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: It really doesn't surprise me that internet nerds cry to CCP when someone breaks the precious rules. I mean, after all, you've been doing that your whole life, amirite? Lets just agree that some of you like to cry and whine to whoever feigns interest when the bad men do bad things, and some of us keep our mouths shut and do our ***** jobs, and don't get involved with the business of others, mmm'kay? I don't support botting, because I don't do it. Do I give a ** if someone else is botting? No, they'll get caught in due time. If they don't get caught? CCP sucks at doing their jobs. It's not my job to rat out botters, I would rather applaud them for evading GM's and people parsing through log data. I knew gamers were a soft bunch, but for the love of God, grow some kind of spine, please, it's just plain embarrassing. "Mommy, that man uses a program to push buttons, BAN THE BAD MAN MOMMY! BAN HIM" You are a whackjob. Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Psychotic Monk for CSM 9
Wulfgar WarHammer Imperium Research Inc 100	Posted - 2014.04.16 14:33:00 - [50] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: You are a whackjob. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't give you the right to question their intellectual stability. Again, I'll re-iterate: The majority of posts in this thread are "Report him! Report him!", and that reminds me of the kids who used to get bullied in school, and they would go 'report' the bullies to teachers, and then get their faces absolutely destroyed at 3:30 by said bully when school hours were over. Those 'victim' kids go on to fall in love with their computers and internet spaceships, and come post in public forums about how other people should report all the bad men that do bad things. I was just posting how disgusting it is to me, the mere thought of filing a report brings a foul taste to my mouth. As I said in like the first reply I made, I just wasn't raised the same way most of you were, and for that, I am EXTREMELY grateful. Like the other dude said, 'street smarts' permeate through many aspects of life, including careers and video games. Some people just despise rats of all sorts, and I am one of those. If that makes you think I'm a whackjob, it makes me think you are sad and pathetic.
Tengu Grib Maniacal Laughter Ltd. 33	Posted - 2014.04.16 16:38:00 - [51] - Quote Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: . E - I'm now WAaaay off-topic, and also I don't care anymore, so this'll be my last post here. Ciao E2 - just going to remove the whole thing, useless arguments anyways If you're not going to help with removing the bots then you are part of the problem. I think I'll just watch list your corp and track you down. See if I can spot this 'bot' in your ranks myself. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
Wulfgar WarHammer Imperium Research Inc 101	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:30:00 - [52] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: . E - I'm now WAaaay off-topic, and also I don't care anymore, so this'll be my last post here. Ciao E2 - just going to remove the whole thing, useless arguments anyways If you're not going to help with removing the bots then you are part of the problem. I think I'll just watch list your corp and track you down. See if I can spot this 'bot' in your ranks myself. That's great, but I'm not the OP, FYI. Thanks for playing
Tengu Grib Maniacal Laughter Ltd. 35	Posted - 2014.04.16 17:44:00 - [53] - Quote Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: That's great, but I'm not the OP, FYI. Thanks for playing I derped. Apologies. That being said, anyone who is complacent towards bots is in my opinion, an enemy of EVE itself. Bots should be reported whenever they are seen, regardless of whether they are red, grey or blue. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 795	Posted - 2014.04.16 19:12:00 - [54] - Quote Tengu Grib wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: That's great, but I'm not the OP, FYI. Thanks for playing I derped. Apologies. That being said, anyone who is complacent towards bots is in my opinion, an enemy of EVE itself. Bots should be reported whenever they are seen, regardless of whether they are red, grey or blue. This is very true. I was surprised to see support for botting in this thread. By "support" I mean people who help those that bot. If you know someone is botting and just ignore it you're it you're no better than the botter. Yes it's CCP's job to catch these people but remember Eve is all about the players. We make the game and can have a much greater influence than a few CCP employees. Make your game better not worse! I don't think the miner bumper crowd helps the game in general but with people who think botting is acceptable I can see they have a purpose.
Meilandra Vanderganken Aliastra Gallente Federation 115	Posted - 2014.04.17 14:28:00 - [55] - Quote Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Lets just agree that some of you like to cry and whine to whoever feigns interest when the bad men do bad things, and some of us keep our mouths shut and do our ***** jobs, and don't get involved with the business of others**, mmm'kay? That's not very "EVE", this game is mostly about getting involved with the business of others.
Eurynome Mangeiri Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:06:00 - [56] - Quote i dealt with one once, here is how i confronted him: 1- i suspected he was botting, and others were too and mailed me about it 2- i started to follow him around durring his mining sessions, tried convo etc... to no avail now, on the convo thing, it by itself doesn't means "bot" because you CAN deny automatically any convo (see eve settings), AND we were at the time in conflict with ppl "abusing" mass convo during fight, so most of us had this setting up and running tho, he was not responding in intel chat 3- followed him for a few days, noticed a clear pattern especially on the timing 4- when he undocked, i started bumping him to prevent warp (out of corp alt so not posible to scram with concord) -> the bot might have crashed or entered a random loop because after 20 sec of bumping, he started burning away of the station. gone to sleep, in the morning, his hulk was still on dscan from the undock, quick probed him, was still burning away. kept following him then his main account connected, and hulk suddenly turned away, warped back to station and dropped connection. had a quick talk with him, and corp CEO, was reported as bot and kicked from the corp. this was a year ago, same player is still botting with same toons (there are 3 at least) tho, despite he had been reported several time to ccp
Eurynome Mangeiri Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2014.04.17 16:08:00 - [57] - Quote Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Lets just agree that some of you like to cry and whine to whoever feigns interest when the bad men do bad things, and some of us keep our mouths shut and do our ***** jobs, and don't get involved with the business of others**, mmm'kay? That's not very "EVE", this game is mostly about getting involved with the business of others. exaclty, eve is not fun if you can't get involved and ruin other's business
Wulfgar WarHammer Imperium Research Inc 112	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:33:00 - [58] - Quote Eurynome Mangeiri wrote: Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Lets just agree that some of you like to cry and whine to whoever feigns interest when the bad men do bad things, and some of us keep our mouths shut and do our ***** jobs, and don't get involved with the business of others**, mmm'kay? That's not very "EVE", this game is mostly about getting involved with the business of others. exaclty, eve is not fun if you can't get involved and ruin other's business read: you need to play in the sandbox the exact same way I play in the sandbox or else it's not fun.
Leto Thule Sons of Retribution 584	Posted - 2014.04.17 17:38:00 - [59] - Quote Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Eurynome Mangeiri wrote: Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Lets just agree that some of you like to cry and whine to whoever feigns interest when the bad men do bad things, and some of us keep our mouths shut and do our ***** jobs, and don't get involved with the business of others**, mmm'kay? That's not very "EVE", this game is mostly about getting involved with the business of others. exaclty, eve is not fun if you can't get involved and ruin other's business read: you need to play in the sandbox the exact same way I play in the sandbox or else it's not fun. Im sorry, but didnt I read somewhere that you were done posting? Killboard https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ Psychotic Monk for CSM 9
Eurynome Mangeiri Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2014.04.18 07:58:00 - [60] - Quote Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Eurynome Mangeiri wrote: Meilandra Vanderganken wrote: Wulfgar WarHammer wrote: Lets just agree that some of you like to cry and whine to whoever feigns interest when the bad men do bad things, and some of us keep our mouths shut and do our ***** jobs, and don't get involved with the business of others**, mmm'kay? That's not very "EVE", this game is mostly about getting involved with the business of others. exaclty, eve is not fun if you can't get involved and ruin other's business read: you need to play in the sandbox the exact same way I play in the sandbox or else it's not fun. you don't understand the sandbox concept. this is what i think, not what everyone shall think. i like that i CAN get involved with others business, and provided i put enought effort, ruin it. this is not guaranted tho, and they can, provided they in turn, put effort, protect themselve from ppl who want to ruin their business. i ruin some ppl business, while i help other's business by doing so. it is not how you want to play, fine with me, but that is how I want to play

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