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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2014.04.11 14:08:00 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:Positive news if taken at face value. Impossible to judge the cost however while the results of the investigation are withheld, So I will refrain from judgement.
I'd dispute that the cost is impossible to judge. As I said elsewhere, whatever the price may be, it must be A: within Ishukone's power to give, and B: not sufficient to cause them any major long-term financial or political difficulty.
While Ishukone may be authorised to serve as curators and caretakers of many districts on Home, they're NOT authorized to barter using assets that don't belong to them or to make unilateral political decisions which directly involve the rest of the State.
There's still a fairly long list of things they could authorise: an ISK lump sum, the establishment of Gallentean corporate and civil enclaves and arcologies in Ishukone-controlled planetary districts -manufacturing and research contracts at Ishukone facilities, a number of ships, a trade in proprietary technology and patents, the promise that they will pitch a policy idea to the CEP (without guarantee of acceptance), a guarantee to admit Senate human rights inspectors to Ishukone facilities and abide by their recommendations (within reason) for a minimum of five years... and so on.
What they couldn't authorise is stuff like swapping a Black Rise system, ending the militia conflict, or selling Jita 4-4 to the Federation Navy, because those things fall outside of their jurisdiction and authority. And they wouldn't do anything which would significantly destabilize them financially or politically because that would be counterproductive to the long-term interests of the corporation, the State and Home.
Ishukone doesn't write checks it can't cash. I strongly doubt that any price they could or would accept would be an unreasonable one.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:47:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Buying back something that was stolen from you might get you back what ever it was, but it also brings profit to the person who stole it and gives them inducement to try it again.
I think at this point we've eliminated the most practical avenues of recovery that don't involve that particular downside.
It's a shame, but the fact is that we want Home back. Asking nicely didn't work at all: violence didn't work in the long run. Negotiation may have its own flaws, not least being that, I agree, we really shouldn't HAVE to pay for what is ours, but given that the alternative is, it seems, to never get it back at all then, well, I guess the thief gets paid.
We'll deal with any future attempts at theft as and when they happen, and if they do then we'll either successfully fend them off, or else we lose Home again, in which case we'll be able to add this approach as the third one on the list that didn't work and look for a new tactic. If on the other hand there are no future attempts...
Does it mean that the Federation's beaten us in that regard? Sure, you could argue that. The thing is, I reckon I can live with defeat if it means getting Home back. A defeat where you still get what you want has a very weak bite, and some objectives are worth swallowing your pride for.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3529
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:20:00 -
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well, you can either adapt to changing circumstances and put in the work to ensure that the "implacable enemy" doesn't turn out to be the mirror-helmeted shockprod-swinging thugs you fear, or you can whine about it.
If you're worried about Caldari brutality, maybe it's time to start talking to us rather than insulting us by assuming that it's going to happen and making worried noises on GalNet.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3530
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Posted - 2014.04.11 16:38:00 -
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Come on, have you ever known a modern professional security force use EITHER mirrored helmets or shockprods? I was expressing scorn for the things Na'Dare here is scared of.
No, we had NII* batons, shoulder-mounted TOLVID** systems and SID*** guns for riot work. Plus stick-and-shock rounds, gelbag rounds and emetic gas grenades****.
*Neural Impulse Inhibitor
**Targeted Optical-spectrum Laser Visual Interference and Disruption
***Sonic Induced Disorientation
****Affectionately known as EGGs.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3530
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:01:00 -
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Can you imagine how heavy mirrored helmets would have to be to provide any real protection, for that matter?
Give me a solid opaque armour-composite covered with micro visual-spectrum sensor scales any time. Ishukone Watch Type 12 riot armor wasn't that far removed from the assault dropsuits worn by a DUST merc. Minus the shields and sophisticated EWAR systems, obviously.
An in-character blog and a video:
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3530
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Posted - 2014.04.11 17:05:00 -
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Bryen Verrisai wrote:As I recall hearing from a buddy in Fed Nav R&D, the main concerns are various isolated incidents that are difficult to replicate in a lab. Stuff like the sonic vibrations causing a guy's eyes to pop out, or a woman's internal bleeding caused by the rupturing of especially weak bowel tissue during the induced spasms.
All of which is why the correct term is "LESS-lethal" weaponry. There is nothing that can even remotely qualify as a weapon that isn't potentially fatal in abnormal circumstances.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3536
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:24:00 -
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Gregory Na'Dare wrote:Nothing we say or do will change what has already happened on Caldari Prime. It seems the deal is done. Not meaning to offend Mr. Stitchers sensitivities, my limited experience has taught me that talking nice rarely has any positive effect when dealing with Caldari. My hope lies in the fair mindedness of the Federal negotiators.
If you want a demonstration of the power of diplomacy, look no further than the very thing you're so upset about.
It's not our fault if your objective is completely the opposite of our own. If you were trying to negotiate something even remotely agreeable to us, you'd find us to be perfectly reasonable.
An in-character blog and a video:
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3541
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Posted - 2014.04.14 11:21:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:Diana Kim wrote:They won't after they will be nationalized. What? I don't know how you can say this, Diana. There have been Caldari who are Liberals, Caldari who are Patriots, Caldari who are Practicals. There have been Caldari who want peace and Caldari who want war. We've had warlords and philosophers, artists and brutes, traitors and heroes, who have all shaped the meaning of what it is to be Caldari. And we've all agreed on one point. That which you earn is yours, and you have no rights to the earnings of another. Take them by force if you must, but that's the only claim you can make on the earnings of others. The concept of nationalization is a wholly foreign concept, and I'm shocked that you, of all people, would advocate it.
Given that nationalization was, effectively, the Provist agenda I really can't say I'm shocked, nor surprised.
Kim doesn't understand what being Caldari means. She never has. Her whole thing has been "for make benefit glorious leader!": the dissolution of our capitalist State and the imposition of an immense, bureacratic, socialist dictatorship. Worse, she actively makes the laughable accusation that anybody who does not share this vision are traitors and Federation sympathizers.
You're entirely right that this is a shocking attitude, but given that it was apparently shared by the entire CPD, are you really sure you don't know how she can say that? the whole movement from the moment Heth ascended from the mud on the wings of a massive investment fraud was about grabbing and consolidating power in a way totally foreign to Caldari ideals. Let's not be surprised when one of the few remaining people stupid and stubborn enough to continue to embrace that philosophy actually repeats it.
An in-character blog and a video:
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3543
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Posted - 2014.04.14 13:57:00 -
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Ah, yes. Thanks. I'd forgotten. Traitors, Federation sympathizers and liars.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3545
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Posted - 2014.04.14 16:54:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Now, now. Diana Kim is a citizen in good standing (although of no Megacorporation) and therefore has as much right to her opinion on the best future course of the State as anybody else.
Her ideas, of course, must be market-tested in the marketplace of ideas before they could be considered to be proven. Caldari experiments with centralisation have not been kind to the State to date, it would appear that the tide of opinion is against her.
Exactly how thorough does this intellectual market-testing need to be before the idea can be safely discarded, and before those who continue to promote it can be legitimately accused of having the mental agility of a large fedo in a small bag?
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3552
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Posted - 2014.04.15 13:31:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:You're a scientist aren't you, man? The testing never stops.
Oh, it does, once the p-value is low enough. It's at that point that you come up with a new hypothesis, new tests, and move on. Science isn't the process of ritually repeating old experiments just to confirm they still work. One old observation on insanity defines it as "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get a different result"
Of course, by that measure any one of us who even bothers to argue with the few remaining provists are insane for thinking it'll accomplish anything. But, you know, it's like a wound - it won't heal if you scratch it, but it itches if you don't.
An in-character blog and a video:
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3560
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:05:00 -
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I wasn't aware that the Amarr Empire had made a habit of consolidating corporations under the direct control of the Imperial bureacracy.
Nor, for that matter, was I aware that we know ANYTHING reliable about how the Jovians conduct business inside their borders.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3573
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Posted - 2014.04.25 13:30:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I will start showing you respect when you start acting in a way that deserves it.
The very essence of Meritocracy. Diana Kim should take notes and emulate this attitude - It's a more Caldari one than she's ever expressed.
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