I can't recall ever hearing complaints.

As I recall hearing from a buddy in Fed Nav R&D, the main concerns are various isolated incidents that are difficult to replicate in a lab. Stuff like the sonic vibrations causing a guy's eyes to pop out, or a woman's internal bleeding caused by the rupturing of especially weak bowel tissue during the induced spasms.

As I recall hearing from a buddy in Fed Nav R&D, the main concerns are various isolated incidents that are difficult to replicate in a lab. Stuff like the sonic vibrations causing a guy's eyes to pop out, or a woman's internal bleeding caused by the rupturing of especially weak bowel tissue during the induced spasms.

Well, that can be an issue, yes. But, then, you should see some of the wicked side effects that the emetic gas grenades can present when they interact with medication or, worse, boosters. I think the idea of Sicksticks is that they're, as Stitcher said, LESS lethal not completely non-lethal. Back in the bad old days, the cops used to just use sticks or batons - can you imagine the damage that used to inflict?

The contemptuous responses made by our Caldari friends to Mr. NaGÇÖDareGÇÖs very real concerns speak volumes.

Their disregard does nothing but confirm and reinforce the very real and legitimate fears held by many Federal citizens on Caldari Prime.

We can only trust that those making these decisions give careful consideration to the lives affected and the ramifications to their own political ambitions.

It's a shame, but the fact is that we want Home back. Asking nicely didn't work at all: violence didn't work in the long run. Negotiation may have its own flaws, not least being that, I agree, we really shouldn't HAVE to pay for what is ours, but given that the alternative is, it seems, to never get it back at all then, well, I guess the thief gets paid.

well, you can either adapt to changing circumstances and put in the work to ensure that the "implacable enemy" doesn't turn out to be the mirror-helmeted shockprod-swinging thugs you fear, or you can whine about it.

If you're worried about Caldari brutality, maybe it's time to start talking to us rather than insulting us by assuming that it's going to happen and making worried noises on GalNet.

Well, that can be an issue, yes. But, then, you should see some of the wicked side effects that the emetic gas grenades can present when they interact with medication or, worse, boosters. I think the idea of Sicksticks is that they're, as Stitcher said, LESS lethal not completely non-lethal. Back in the bad old days, the cops used to just use sticks or batons - can you imagine the damage that used to inflict?

Nothing we say or do will change what has already happened on Caldari Prime. It seems the deal is done. Not meaning to offend Mr. Stitchers sensitivities, my limited experience has taught me that talking nice rarely has any positive effect when dealing with Caldari. My hope lies in the fair mindedness of the Federal negotiators.

If you want a demonstration of the power of diplomacy, look no further than the very thing you're so upset about.

It's not our fault if your objective is completely the opposite of our own. If you were trying to negotiate something even remotely agreeable to us, you'd find us to be perfectly reasonable.

That's really good news.

Arcurio was always a sight to see, and even after the last turbulent years, an excellent place to do business. Hopefully, being passed to Caldari control, the city will regain complete stability and be able to thrive once again. Then we'll have a Caldari hub one warp away from the Gallente hub, and that can only mean prosperity for all.

I'm only wondering the price Ishukone is paying for that. I hope and I guess it will come in the form of free trade agreements. Makes no sense for the Federation to return Arcurio if the city becomes closed to it. Perhaps transfer of technology contracts as well.

The fact is that Ishukone isn't doing this in the name of pure altruism as well. To be the main broker of this deal will surely bring them significant economic return.

Arcurio is symbolic for Caldari people, since during the liberation of this city from gallentean occupants, the greatest Caldari hero himself ripped off federation flag and hoisted Caldari flag over Municipal government HQ building.

The only acceptable price is spilled blood of gallentean oppressors, that still occupy parts of our planet.
Any other price will turn Ishukone into coward spineless slugs, not deserving to be called Caldari.

Aww c'mon, are you so tight with other people's ISK that you won't let Ishukone spend theirs to recover one of the great cities of Home?

Ishukone money belongs to Ishukone shareholders - as is traditional!

They won't after they will be nationalized.

They won't after they will be nationalized.

They won't after they will be nationalized.

That's a pretty Gallentean thing to say...

I would only agree to a point. It is far more Gallentean to defend individual liberty rather than that of a collective.

That's a pretty Gallentean thing to say...

I would only agree to a point. It is far more Gallentean to defend individual liberty rather than that of a collective.

But I would think we can both agree that the government stealing the savings, benefits and retirement pay of honest workers is a bad thing, no? I do find it interesting that the harder Ms Kim cries for the destruction of the Federation, the more she suggests paths that would destroy the State.

An interesting observation indeed. It's a path travelled before, by Heth. The more he became obsessed with destroying the Gallente Federation, the less his actions & rulings befitted the State and it's future.

But I would think we can both agree that the government stealing the savings, benefits and retirement pay of honest workers is a bad thing, no? I do find it interesting that the harder Ms Kim cries for the destruction of the Federation, the more she suggests paths that would destroy the State.