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Antaris Xenal
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:39:00 -
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am wondering why the prices of Tech II medium scout drones are so danged high??!?! I have spent ALOT of my skill training time to get these and am wondering why I have to pay so much money for hammerhead II's! I do not make very much ISK in eve online as I have had tons of bad luck and I am not going to start complaining but it just bugs me that when I accidently forget to get all my drones back in my drone bay, and forget 1 or 2 tech II drones in a mission and not notice, i go back and complete the mission and notice they are gone. I cannot go back and get those. This means I have lost over 1 million Isk on that mission. This is just silly, or if one of my drones takes a few hits from a rat, BOOM, its dead. This is so idiotic. There is no reason to price the drones this high!!!! This is so stupid. Anyone else agree with me? Flames welcomed.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:40:00 -
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uh cos tech II costs to produce... you want the best you gotta pay for it
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Antaris Xenal
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:44:00 -
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lol, I know that! I am wondering why CCP would make these drones so expensive to make!
Mwahahaa, No mod will ever steal my sig. cuz i dont have one MWMAHAHAHAHHA!!
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:45:00 -
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meh
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Daddy's Princess
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:45:00 -
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This can't be a serious post. Can it? 
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Antaris Xenal
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Posted - 2006.05.11 03:56:00 -
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Yes this is serious, I am more asking CCP and hoping a dev reads it =/ But I think these are so weak that they should not b 1 mil to build. I would be find with 100K or 200K. But 1 mil is OUTRAEGOUS! I am poor, I do missions alot, But Something bad always happens to me. Not my fault, just my stupidity sometimes or stupid pirates =/
Mwahahaa, No mod will ever steal my sig. cuz i dont have one MWMAHAHAHAHHA!!
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.05.11 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kel Shek on 11/05/2006 04:39:04
Edited by: Kel Shek on 11/05/2006 04:35:27
you can use T2 heavies but you can't afford 1m per? (missed that you specified mediums, and I don't remember it being 1m per for mediums)
edit: wait, T2 mediums? I don't remember those being 1m per.... maybe shop around more? that doesn't sound right at all.
edit2: and why are your drones getting hit? wait til the rats are aggroed on you. I RARELY lose my T2 drones... when I do its usually from having to have them out before the whole spawn is aggroed on me properly, AND they bug out and don't come all the way back.
IMO also you shouldn't be using T2 drones if you haven't gotten into the habit of always scooping them if you have a choice. (like aren't about to be blown up)
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Antaris Xenal
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Posted - 2006.05.11 04:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Kel Shek
Edited by: Kel Shek on 11/05/2006 04:35:27
you can use T2 heavies but you can't afford 1m per? (missed that you specified mediums, and I don't remember it being 1m per for mediums)
edit: wait, T2 mediums? I don't remember those being 1m per.... maybe shop around more? that doesn't sound right at all.
I don't know about tech II heavies cuz I can't use them, It is the Hammerhead II's that I know for A FACT, cost AT LEAST 1 mil! It is silly, and I can't even find any more on the market!
Mwahahaa, No mod will ever steal my sig. cuz i dont have one MWMAHAHAHAHHA!!
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Rafein
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Posted - 2006.05.11 05:39:00 -
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shop around in different regions, might just mean only one person in your area i making them and selling tham, and doing it at a very increased profit.
I just both a buncha tech 2 Heavy Drones for 300k each. Don't see why mediums would cost that much more, other than the fact they are a bit easier to use.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.05.11 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nimie on 11/05/2006 06:03:04
meds are slightly more expensive than heavies right now though the price ranges on meds are alot higher. the prices on most items will increase a bit more so i hope you can get used to them.
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2006.05.11 06:23:00 -
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Also, the thermic drones appear to be quite a bit more expensive than the others. I had to pay 800k for T2 Hammerheads, while all the others are significantly cheaper.
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Luther Kincaid
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Posted - 2006.05.11 06:31:00 -
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market dictates prices, get used to it. the more popular the item, the more expensive it will be (T2 cap rechargers for example)
so T2 heavies are slightly cheaper, 'cause less people can use 'em so there is less demand for them.
like a previous poster said.. look after your drones. Launch them after npcs have agged you. get used to keeping T1 drones alive before you start using the more expensive T2 ones if the price is such an issue for you
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2006.05.11 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: spurious signal on 11/05/2006 06:40:43
You should be able to get hammerhead2's for ~600k each at the moment, but the price is rising.
I'm guessing the price is going up because there's now more n00bs who've trained them but who don't yet know how to protect their drones from agro, repair their drones in combat or collect them after a fight 
Edit: Which is also exactly why HAC prices are so high - too many people using/flying/training things they have no idea how to use properly and promptly losing them thus having to buy more and driving prices up even further. </offtopic> 
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.05.11 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Antaris Xenal
. . . I am not going to start complaining but it just bugs me that when I accidently forget to get all my drones back in my drone bay, and forget 1 or 2 tech II drones in a mission and not notice, i go back and complete the mission and notice they are gone. I cannot go back and get those. This means I have lost over 1 million Isk on that mission. This is just silly . . .
Now come on. Be fair. Drone prices here are NOT the problem, forgetting to collect your drones is the problem.
I ran solo L4 missions for weeks with my Domi and only lost a drone when I accidentally agroed a group of NPCs in a deadspace mission that I was not ready to agro. If you keep your drones in the drone bay, agro the NPCs, then release thme you should not lose a single drone (unless you do some crazy missions like "Worlds Collide" or that first level of "Angel Extravaganza").
Smart drone useage makes it so you lose 0 drones (except for a crash, but even then in many deadspace missions they will not target the drones if you drop and your ship loses agro).
So, get the NPCs to start shooting you, THEN release the drones, THEN collect all the drones when you are done. Practice this with T1 drones first until you have it right then move on to T2 to limit your losses.
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Teles666
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Posted - 2006.05.11 07:40:00 -
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They're not that bad, not bad at all infact. I'd welcome the chance to buy over priced T2 sentry drones :)
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2006.05.11 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
I ran solo L4 missions for weeks with my Domi and only lost a drone when I accidentally agroed a group of NPCs in a deadspace mission that I was not ready to agro.
Yes I wept last night when I lost my first t1 Vespa pretty much ever (Haven't gotten round to putting t2 in yet). I ctd'd and some of the npcs agroed my left behind drones when I warped back after relog. It had been months since the last time I lost a drone at all.
Ah the days when I would lose a full prermr dominix set of heavies by leaving them behind. Glad they are over.
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ToxicFire
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Posted - 2006.05.11 08:06:00 -
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Well though its a tad alarming your loosing drones, I know we've all accidently warped off once or twice without collecting drones, and now that the ai seems a tad dumber (ohhhh look gang mate attac******) its probably happening a little more often.
But the prices and rises in T2 items at the moment is extremely likely because of two words that can litteraly change the entire T2 market...
"Reverse Engineering"
I'd pritty much say that the smart industrialists have either been pushing up prices or selling off their T2 bpo's. Though non of the main T2 production groups have shifted their prices I'd think most of them think they can maintain their market control. But shortly after kali hits I expect to see a sudden spike in supply followed by a spike in demand and then a price war bringing prices to a much lower level than now.
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Lorette
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Posted - 2006.05.11 08:07:00 -
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I use T1 drones for missions for just that reason, its not really a big issue. T1's do enough to kill everything ive come across, and they dont use ammo so thats irrelevent aswell.
Kill faster = more risk/isk loss if they die, make your choice and face the consequences basically, all T2 costs alot.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.05.11 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Antaris Xenal
I do missions alot, But Something bad always happens to me. Not my fault, just my stupidity sometimes or stupid pirates =/
you are wrong. being pirated, or your stupidity IS your fault.
Do something about it.
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Drizit
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Posted - 2006.05.11 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Drizit on 11/05/2006 09:11:05
I've been doing missions for two weeks solid now and have not lost a single drone. All of mine are T1 drones so they are not so resilient but I don't let them loose until all enemy ships are aggroed on me first.
If you are paying 1m for T2 scout or medium drones, you are being ripped off.
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Noluck Ned
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Posted - 2006.05.11 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Noluck Ned on 11/05/2006 09:20:00
The last time I left drones behind they were t1 hammers and it was because they were attacking a pirate vagabond I was jumped by, I was not going to wait for em to return, after missing several jam cycles in a row I finally got a jam in and then it had become time to beat a hasty retreat.
Other than that I want to suggest that you invest in T2 Light scouts instead of medium, for missons they are a lot more useful than mediums for taking out those pesky frigates, and vs cruisers they are fine if you use the correct damage types. For BC's and above in missions I use either T1 Heavies or sentries if the range is right.
I only really use Mediums in my Thorax cause vs other cruisers they are da bomb.
Also useful is to be sure that all your drones are sorted by folder.
Frankly I am a little surprised that you still leave em behind at all, after putting all that training into drones it should be second nature to check the drone window before warpout.
Also the best price I can find on hammer 2's ATM is 850k each in Amarr, I do agree with you about the price being disproportionate, but so far I have not had to replace any.
P.S, dont know what your skill lvl is in Drone durability, but getting it to lvl 4 makes a huge difference, also drone navigation makes em loads harder to hit.
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Da Death
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Posted - 2006.05.12 04:44:00 -
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small T2 drones can work wonder over meds in different situation. Sometimes it isnt the firepower but quantity which kicks in
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Flesh Eater
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Posted - 2006.05.12 04:57:00 -
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What OP says is fair enough, since the drones are so often not "RETURNING TO DRONE BAY".
Pretty hard to save them from death when they come to a few km from ur ship and sit there getting pounded. The drone bugs have been there for ages, wtf will it take before CCP fixes it? This is a nerd's game, ffs if CCP dont have the resources to fix drone functionality (and their AI, since they attack gang members all too often for no reason...) post the drone source code on the forums, it would be fixed by some nerds out there in no time. (my monthly fees alone so far should have been enoug to have it fixed properly though....)
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Ninjja
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Posted - 2006.05.12 05:16:00 -
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Hammerheads are the most expensive T2 mediums, last time i checked. BUt ive bought t2 valkyries and vespas from 300k each. And to be honest, no most missions its not even worth using them. might as well get a hammerhead bp for cheap and use those on missions.
T2 drones kick alot of tail, especially on pvp. You need the drone and supplies tomake them. Should have checked into them before training, but train minmatar or caldari drone specialization and use vespas and valks for a cheaper and just as effective drone.
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M4RY J4NE
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Posted - 2006.05.12 05:21:00 -
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/signed
Ive had about enough of this "get used to it", "you want it you pay for it" BS.
Yes the prices should be higher than TI, yes the market dictates the price.
I hope we see enough changes in Kali to make it just little cheaper 
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9854365
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Posted - 2006.05.12 05:27:00 -
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ROFL I just love these "TECH 2 IS TOO EXPENSIVE THREADS!! DEV"S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT"
Me calls trhe WAAAAAAAAAAPOLICE.....
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Noriath
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Posted - 2006.05.12 05:29:00 -
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The worst thing about tech 2 drones acctually is that if for any reason you are forced to warp you still lose all of them, which makes fighting in a droneship, wether it is in missions or PvP a lot riskier then in any other ship that can bounce back from any fight it didn't get completly blown up in but got away. 2-3 such fights for a droneship and it has no weapons left...
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CaptainCrunch
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Posted - 2006.05.12 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: CaptainCrunch on 12/05/2006 05:35:13
Vespa II's are best for missions against Guristas/Serpentis ships as their lowest resistance is kinetic, so you may aswell get them, they are cheaper and faster aswell :p
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DeaEx Machina
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Posted - 2006.05.12 05:35:00 -
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Edited by: DeaEx Machina on 12/05/2006 05:35:29
You just gotta learn to dictate how much damage you can take before you have to call back the drones. Also if you see your drones being OMWPWNED call them back, wait a couple seconds for the rats to target YOU then release them again. It's called Strategy, useful as it may be but unfortunate since it's not common practice...
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DeaEx Machina
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Posted - 2006.05.12 05:35:00 -
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You just gotta learn to dictate how much damage you can take before you have to call back the drones. Also if you see your drones being OMWPWNED call them back, wait a couple seconds for the rats to target YOU then release them again. It's called Strategy, useful as it may be but unfortunate since it's not common practice...
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