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Big Lynx
The Gun Runners
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:59:00 -
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Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
327
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Posted - 2014.04.11 20:59:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
ied bee 400oisk beater orf |
Divine Entervention
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:00:00 -
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Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
143
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:02:00 -
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In my RL? nothing at all. I don't see how your proposed event would affect my RL in any way.
Now, to answer the subject of the question. I would, for starters, start with Amarr (master race). I would focus strongly on cruicer and t3 PVE, and wait until I can fly the respective carrier before I start cross training.
How does it differ from what I did? Well, I started with Minmatar with a mix of gallente all the way up to BS, then focused on Amarr with a mix of Caldari up to BS, and continued to improve on all of my fitting skills as well as tanking skills.
All in all, it's been a very ineffective thing, but it's opened pretty much all of the doors for me.
OH, and I would get an exploration alt right away.
This is as nice as I get.
Best quote ever
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
429
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:05:00 -
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I'd probably focus on pvp more and make indy alts again. I like to try a little of everything and always have been trying new things as i can.
So, nothing would really be different. I would just have a more clear idea what I'm doing. |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
575
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:05:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
I do this every time I creat a new pilot. My question would be if I had no support from my other toons would I?
Hmmm would be good time to correct any mistakes that you made in previous history. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
349
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:06:00 -
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This depends on which way you are asking.
1) if I chose to biomass and start over, lets say because I looked at my skills and went '**** I wasted a lot of sp's' Then in this case I would follow the same type of path, but Da would be more industrial. There was a time when I pumped pvp skills into him.. then I realized I suck at pvp and would rather have an alt do that. So not much would change in this scenario
2) If ccp had this 'glorious' reset, i'd prolly be pissed off, but follow the same path.
3) If CCP announced closing eve and launching EvE 2 but we all have to make new chars, and with this everything that is broken in eve is fixed... i'd still follow the same path
of the 3 senarios only the middle one I would be mad about. Not because of the lost SP's but then because it would seem that 10 blood years was for nothing (in the grand scheme is is for nothing, if eve died tomorrow I have nothing to show for the 10 years I spent here, but in my head, as long as Da is here I can say 'see what I wasted 1o years on? =D"
I have made many alts at various times for various reasons, I have helped many noobs and ran the NPE myself several times. so it would not bother me, i'd just be annoyed if it was a forced reset and eve still had broken crap (fix pos' and finish pi and WIS damn it!) |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
1563
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:06:00 -
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Nothing would change my RL, because EVE has nothing to do with the real world.
No, I would not go a different route. I would still want to PvP.
As for the first part of your question, it would be pointless to biomass my toon when I could sell him and donate all my assets to my corp. Trashing all your assets and ISK, then biomassing is a pretty selfish thing to do to the EVE community. Most of us "bittervets" actually do care about the community, as a whole, even if we don't give a rip about individual players.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
11128
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:10:00 -
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Start work on getting into a megathron again.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17792
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:12:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? ied bee 400oisk beater orf I'm going to ask Ramona to repeatedly beat you with an English dictionary, or tell Ma McCandless that you're skipping school again to fly your spaceships 
In answer to the OP, if I was to start again I'd explore areas of the game I haven't currently partaken of. I'd also be a lot more focussed in what I trained.
This character can do a lot of things relatively well, but doesn't excel at anything. My skills are all over the place, but will be getting more focussed once I get my newbie alt where I want it to be.
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Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes
The Volition Cult
369
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:15:00 -
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Billy McCandless wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? ied bee 400oisk beater orf
I've missed you |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
331
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:15:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? ied bee 400oisk beater orf I'm going to ask Ramona to repeatedly beat you with an English dictionary, or tell Ma McCandless that you're skipping school again to fly your spaceships .
Yore a meenie
Moan-a (lelz) is owt wif hur knew bf (or gf, i kant tell) an Ma is inn anuffer wum ov hur drankun stoophors an has fellen doun tha bakc of teh sofeah
"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
331
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:16:00 -
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Karen Avioras wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? ied bee 400oisk beater orf I've missed you
eyev mist yuo tue, anty keran
"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20648
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:18:00 -
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No reason to do it any differently. It would go a hell of a lot faster this time, though.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12053
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:20:00 -
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I would train for a catalyst.
oh wait... I train for that everytime anyways.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:39:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
I wouldn't go the same route I went as a noob. I would continue playing the way I currently play.
But I also frequently create new characters and then go do random things with them.
Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
216
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:46:00 -
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Well...
I guess I would drop Hek.
I guess I would seek out a new part of space.
A part of space suiting my name.
A part of space that isn't yet as crowded.
I guess I would stop using destroyers to pop pods,
because everybody is using them and that bothers me.
I can do with less.
And I would still refuse to use alts to make my game easier. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4716
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:51:00 -
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I would handle the SP system differently.
For example I have an alt that is just under 2M SP and can deliver some heinous DPS with a battle cruiser simple because of proper skill planning. This is not something I did back in 2006 when I started, and it was years before I could fly anything larger than a frigate correctly.
So knowing for a fact that it does not take years to be effective I would keep playing.
Remember, big numbers of SP mean NOTHING for how you play, especially when you are not flying heavies. You might need to be really up there in SP if you want to fly a titan effectively, but that's nothing to expect to be able to do in short order.
And those who are buttmad because they can't "powerlevel" into a cap ship because they don't have to take time to work and pay their own rent or something can go find another game to play. Plenty of MMOs out there that favor the "He who has the least life wins" model of progression.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Hevymetal
POT Corp
Semper Ardens Alliance
244
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:53:00 -
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Starting over from when? 7 1/2 years ago when I started or from today?
Knowing what I know now........
1. I would not spend the first 5 months training learning skills.
2. I would get implants ASAP
3. I would probably spend lesss time mining
4. I would grind standings for my reseaarch agents corps first and say "later on" to Caldari Navy
5. I would never trust anyone
6. I would PVP more
7. I would have invested in T2 BPOs when they were cheap
8. I would have a capital in hisec
9. I would have started an alt sooner.
10. I would have beaten up more of my friends and made then play Eve instead of saying "Meh" when they said they started playing WOW |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1825
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Posted - 2014.04.11 21:56:00 -
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Why would I start over again?
I've spent years working on this character and aquire the ISK and assets I currently have.
Just to do what?
Start over again?
You've got to be joking...
New player experience, more highsec PvE missions, casual play, balance, counters to AFK cloaking, expanding the NEX store, and Power Projection.
Azami Nevinyrall for CSM9! |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1201
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:01:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
THats a biased opinion. obviosuly I would stop playing, as Ive invested years to get where I am and what I have, to be told to start all over with nothing would make my past choices meaningless, taking away any sentiment I had for the game.
This is what I dont like about people who argue against vets about how hypocritical they are for not wanting to start as a new player if new players are so "fine". Its literally like saying little league isnt a good sport because professional baseball players dont want to quit their 6 figure jobs (which is ridiculous pay) to go play little league again, when in truth they DID play little league, succeeded, and went on with further practice to eventually join pro-leagues, that doesnt mean little leagues are bad, just that they had already been through that, earned their stripes, and would not wish to go through it again, but they will acknowledge if they hadnt they wouldnt have gotten to where they are today. |
Felicity Love
Whore and Peace
1668
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:02:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
No, and nothing, respectively.
Unlike the "instant gratification crowd",one of the things I like most about EVE is that it takes TIME and PLANNING to achieve great things.
Which is why when I see various posts asking, crying, demanding and/or whining to CCP to make things easier, faster and/or simpler to do -- I LAUGH.
People need to learn patience -- a skill they can, funny enough, use in RL.
Or they can go back to flipping burgers. Their choice. 
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague
Fidelas Constans
1169
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:02:00 -
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The best moment in EVE is undocking is your Ibis for the first time to Miner Stories playing in the background. It's all gradually downhill from there. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
1271
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:03:00 -
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I, ironically, started three new chars last night.
And they are all focus-trained toward my current professions.
So...
I guess, get by just fine?
Certainly better than when I created my first char.
Didn't have the handholding of today, and the NPE was more of a joke then.
Nope, it was, "Here's your noob ship, Welcome to EvE."
My options from Rookie Help were:
"Join a corp."
"Do the SOE arc."
or
"It's a sandbox, do what you want."
So...
I did what I wanted. Certainly wouldn't change due to skillpoints and lack of isk.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
216
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:04:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:The best moment in EVE is undocking is your Ibis for the first time to Miner Stories playing in the background. It's all gradually downhill from there whatever you do.
The ONE thing all of us share.
And they removed it. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:06:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:I, ironically, started three new chars last night.
And they are all focus-trained toward my current professions.
So...
I guess, get by just fine?
Certainly better than when I created my first char.
Didn't have the handholding of today, and the NPE was more of a joke then.
Nope, it was, "Here's your noob ship, Welcome to EvE."
My options from Rookie Help were:
"Join a corp."
"Do the SOE arc."
or
"It's a sandbox, do what you want."
So...
I did what I wanted. Certainly wouldn't change due to skillpoints and lack of isk. I have to correct you.
It wasn't " Here's your noobship. Welcome to EVE."
It was "Here's a Rubiks Cube. Go **** yourself!"
I miss SoundWave!
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Roger Kiyosaki
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:06:00 -
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Wouldn't do much differently.
My two (still active) toons had a solid head start ISK-wise from selling my first misfit. So the major difference would be that I'd have to make ISKies straight away. Not that difficult while training PVP skills anyway.
So basically, create PVP toon, fly cheap ships. Rat, mission, whatever to afford those.
Then create trader toon to make more ISK.
Nothing would change in RL. Not sure how that is even a thought that crossed your mind unless you're taking this game wayyyy to seriously or I completely misunderstood that one. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
4597
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:10:00 -
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Can I assume that everyone is equally screwed in this scenario, or is it just me?
If everyone is equally screwed, meh, I don't care.
If it's just me, I skill into a destroyer, probably the Talwar or the Dragoon, and I run the Angel Epic Arc. With that initial capital, I can start marketing and scamming.
Then I buy a 20mil+ skillpoint character after a couple months, and call it good.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Rikanin
30plus
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
91
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:11:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. THats a biased opinion. obviosuly I would stop playing, as Ive invested years to get where I am and what I have, to be told to start all over with nothing would make my past choices meaningless, taking away any sentiment I had for the game. This is what I dont like about people who argue against vets about how hypocritical they are for not wanting to start as a new player if new players are so "fine". Its literally like saying little league isnt a good sport because professional baseball players dont want to quit their 6 figure jobs (which is ridiculous pay) to go play little league again, when in truth they DID play little league, succeeded, and went on with further practice to eventually join pro-leagues, that doesnt mean little leagues are bad, just that they had already been through that, earned their stripes, and would not wish to go through it again, but they will acknowledge if they hadnt they wouldnt have gotten to where they are today.
Right - if a vet did it on purpose of course they wouldn't rage quit and like someone else said...it'd go a whole lot faster this time around.
If it wasn't by choice that's a hard pill to swallow to lose all that time and effort but it doesn't negate the fact that noobs have it easier than we did when we started.
Is 'bitter noob' a thing these days?
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KnowUsByTheDead
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
1271
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:12:00 -
[30] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:
I have to correct you.
It wasn't " Here's your noobship. Welcome to EVE."
It was "Here's a Rubiks Cube. Go **** yourself!"
I miss SoundWave!
Certainly not empty quoting, lol.
Much better representation.
Thanks, Sol!!!
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1202
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:18:00 -
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Rikanin wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. THats a biased opinion. obviosuly I would stop playing, as Ive invested years to get where I am and what I have, to be told to start all over with nothing would make my past choices meaningless, taking away any sentiment I had for the game. This is what I dont like about people who argue against vets about how hypocritical they are for not wanting to start as a new player if new players are so "fine". Its literally like saying little league isnt a good sport because professional baseball players dont want to quit their 6 figure jobs (which is ridiculous pay) to go play little league again, when in truth they DID play little league, succeeded, and went on with further practice to eventually join pro-leagues, that doesnt mean little leagues are bad, just that they had already been through that, earned their stripes, and would not wish to go through it again, but they will acknowledge if they hadnt they wouldnt have gotten to where they are today. Right - if a vet did it on purpose of course they wouldn't rage quit and like someone else said...it'd go a whole lot faster this time around. If it wasn't by choice that's a hard pill to swallow to lose all that time and effort but it doesn't negate the fact that noobs have it easier than we did when we started. Is 'bitter noob' a thing these days? Anyway...as for how I'd do it if I had to start over... I'd focus on one race and weapon type and skill up accordingly. When I started I had nobody to show me anything so I was all over the place. I can fly quite a lot these days because of it but only one race really well and even so...not as well as I could if my training had been more focused.
well, intentionally, i suppose that would go quicker, took my FW alt all of a week from creation to start racking up kills in gallente FW, and that was only because i was being anal about havign at LEAST lvl 4 in relevant skills. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4717
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Posted - 2014.04.11 22:55:00 -
[32] - Quote
If we really want to see things get stirred up a bit, and see a way for CCP to take some money for the quick gratification crowd while teaching them a lesson, I would introduce a "Live Fast Die Young" option.
On character creation we would see the option to create genetically modified players who can earn SP at a much faster rate, but are capped depending on that rate, so that if say you are at 100 percent increased SP acquisition rate, you get capped at say 10 million SP. A slower rate has a higher cap but no enhanced player goes past 20 million.
And, because of the complexity of these hyper-accelerated brains, they cannot be cloned.
You die you fry. End of story go back to school.
And yes I would also make it so that there would be a way to identify these players - maybe have a huge knob on their head or something, or a big conehead maybe. So that everybody knows you are not coming back if they kill you.
I would also make it possible to create boosters from those large brains too, so the frozen corpse is worth a significant amount of ISK, and those boosters will temporarily enable a player to accelerate their own SP speed. (and there would be a limitation of how many you can create at a given time - the min maxers will game the hell out if that)
So the quick gratification type who will "want it nao" will be hunted and podded and their brains used to make stuff and they go back to the character creator all mad they didn't get cloned because they wanted everything up front but on the prospect of getting killed, they also exhibited that OTHER cancer of human thought process: "It can't happen to ME".
And no this would not be a boon for disposable suicide gank alts (since the present system and rules have not stopped suicide ganking so stop with the screeching you know who you are).
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:15:00 -
[33] - Quote
WHAT?
If I start over I can get a free 5000 ISK?
Wheres that damned BioMass button... |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
222
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:21:00 -
[34] - Quote
BrundleMeth wrote:WHAT?
If I start over I can get a free 5000 ISK?
Wheres that damned BioMass button...
The possibilities!
If you grind through 1000 chars you'd have one thousand times 5k ISK...
... PLUS ONE THOUSAND TRITANIUM! |
masternerdguy
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1616
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Posted - 2014.04.11 23:26:00 -
[35] - Quote
I'd waste no time on any mining or industry stuff and jump straight into PVP. I'd use my retained veteran knowledge to my advantage.
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries
Order of the Exalted
435
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:01:00 -
[36] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
It wouldn't affect me much at all, but I think you're missing the point of eve. Your actions are permanent until someone screws it up. The loss wouldn't be the sp, the loss would be sovereignty, the loss would be starbases, the loss would be systems fought over and won. If you take every player and throw them back into high sec with no resources, I can't imagine them being happy.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
398
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:04:00 -
[37] - Quote
I have often considered trying it out to see what happens. But I think the fact I know more about how the game works (and doesn't) than half the employees at CCP, I may be limited only by my SP... temporarily.
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masternerdguy
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1618
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:06:00 -
[38] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. It wouldn't affect me much at all, but I think you're missing the point of eve. Your actions are permanent until someone screws it up. The loss wouldn't be the sp, the loss would be sovereignty, the loss would be starbases, the loss would be systems fought over and won. If you take every player and throw them back into high sec with no resources, I can't imagine them being happy.
Nah, I bet we'd be back to the status quo before you know it. If everyone's skills get reset to starting, then the groups with organization and retained game knowledge from before the reset are going to just reconquer their territory. Which would be funny, I can imagine the forum whines from all the elite solo PVPers and small corps who "could make it in null if it weren't for goons" still not being able to win
Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Gostina Mishina
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.04.12 00:35:00 -
[39] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
Stealth Ero1 thread.
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sci0gon
Kaira Innovations
Superior Eve Engineering
20
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:06:00 -
[40] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
lynx if you're looking to biomass i'll have no problems taking your t2 bpos before you do :P
are there any age limitations to that biomass proposal?
like 1-2yr old players in the game are safe
as for my older characters yea I would, I most definitely wouldn't have wasted skill points in area's that I have already in the past. also for this character in particular I'd split up her industry side considering shes skilled in all area's of industry so when it comes to chosing implants im screwed since using Zainou 'Beancounter' Refining RX-804 with the Zainou 'Beancounter' Industry BX-804 is impossible as they both take the same slot :P
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
893
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:27:00 -
[41] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
I've recently played an alt without selling stuff on market, or buying other than skillbooks and BPOs (ie hard mode startup). All I can say to you is suck it up princess.
I also went through this procedure with a rust server that decided to reset the server monthly. each reset decimated the playerbase and its now nearly dead.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
554
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:02:00 -
[42] - Quote
The only way I'm bio-massing my character is if I'm quitting the game. even then I would be tempted to sell it and give away the isk.
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1816
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:25:00 -
[43] - Quote
I wouldnt start over again, because of all the work I put into this character, but if I did I probably wouldnt train the refining skills
Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5214
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:40:00 -
[44] - Quote
I wouldn't change a thing.
I would rebirth myself exactly as I am now, because I am perfect.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Berendas
The Learning Curve.
The Marmite Collective
871
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Posted - 2014.04.12 03:40:00 -
[45] - Quote
I'd start Gallente and get working on the skills to fly a Vexor adequately. |
Webvan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
785
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Posted - 2014.04.12 04:59:00 -
[46] - Quote
What are "toons" Gandalf? Too Tu..Tu Toooooons... oooo
Brain: What is Troz?
Pinky: Why it's "Zort" in the mirror!Troz!
Brain: Come, Pinky-o. We must catch the space shuttle back to our home planet of Acme and prepare for the next millennium.
Pinky: Gee, Brain-2, what are we gonna do in the next millennium?
Brain: The same thing we do every millennium, Pinky-o. Try to take over the galaxy!
Chorus: 3-Pinky, 3-Pinky and the Fridge, Fridge, Fridge, Fridge, Fridge!
Brain: I am not a refrigerator.
Chorus: Dot, dot, dot, dot!
Answers your question? |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
5185
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:12:00 -
[47] - Quote
What would I do if I had to start over?
I would throw myself back into PvP... focusing mostly at the frigate to cruiser level. And I would never train any capital ship skills.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Leviathani Darkri
Asuratech Industrial Corp
AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:26:00 -
[48] - Quote
I would play more war thunder. |
Leviathani Darkri
Asuratech Industrial Corp
AAA Citizens
3
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Posted - 2014.04.12 05:45:00 -
[49] - Quote
In my RL I would be less addicted to eve. EVE has cost me actual RL relationships....sad yes, uncommon I think not. That I would change. There are several IRL people I would like to have back.
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Lazrim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
I would quit and write a whiney goodbye post claiming that bitter noobs can never catch up with vets because I started 8 minutes and 20 seconds after some one else did. And because I was tying my shoe instead of playing EVE I will never be able to 'catch up' and be as good at the game as those guys that are 8 minutes and 20 seconds ahead of me. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
326
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:45:00 -
[51] - Quote
What would I do different?
Jump in my rookie ship and attack everyone I see. Use plex to fund character instead of wasting my time with pve.
Rookies don't realize the advantages they have with super cheap clones. The joy of attacking everyone with almost no penalty is very liberating.
I can still fly cheap frigates and attack everything, but the clone prices put me in a position where I'd rather play an alt.
Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö
I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
326
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Posted - 2014.04.12 06:54:00 -
[52] - Quote
Nariya Kentaya wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question. THats a biased opinion. obviosuly I would stop playing, as Ive invested years to get where I am and what I have, to be told to start all over with nothing would make my past choices meaningless, taking away any sentiment I had for the game. This is what I dont like about people who argue against vets about how hypocritical they are for not wanting to start as a new player if new players are so "fine". Its literally like saying little league isnt a good sport because professional baseball players dont want to quit their 6 figure jobs (which is ridiculous pay) to go play little league again, when in truth they DID play little league, succeeded, and went on with further practice to eventually join pro-leagues, that doesnt mean little leagues are bad, just that they had already been through that, earned their stripes, and would not wish to go through it again, but they will acknowledge if they hadnt they wouldnt have gotten to where they are today.
What about the relationships you've forged with other players and the community in general?. If they biomass everyone's character, does that make everything else meaningless?
I agree that Divine was a bit biased. There would be some annoyance, which might lead many to quit. But I don't think it would render all that time and fun I've had meaningless myself.
Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö
I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Mag's
the united
SCUM.
17038
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Posted - 2014.04.12 07:03:00 -
[53] - Quote
Well seeing as I have no RL time at present to play, then nothing would change in that regard.
But I would play again and I would follow the same course of training. But with the knowledge I have and the changes made to the game since I started, things would be easier.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
567
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Posted - 2014.04.12 07:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
Serious answer ?
Focus.
- Sub for 6 months so I am not forever worrying about PLEX as a new character.
- put zilch skills into mining/industry or ships larger than a destroyer and focus on getting a single race of frigates up to scratch
- then run FW in an assault frigate.
Meanwhile I would probably also pay cash for one PLEX to give one of the free alts basic indy/PI training to get a bit of a ISK flow happening that did not depend on grinding missions and mining.
Thats about it really. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
32
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:34:00 -
[55] - Quote
Posting in a stealth reset eve thread.
Saying that though, absolutely nothing as I do the same thing with my alt accounts. Just randomly choose skills when I need them :P |
Diamond Zerg
Taking Solo Away.
101
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Posted - 2014.04.12 08:38:00 -
[56] - Quote
I'd either A: not play or
B: Spend 3-5b on a new character in the Bazaar (paid for with plex purchased for real money.)
Master trole 2014. |
Serene Repose
1247
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Posted - 2014.04.12 10:39:00 -
[57] - Quote
Heh heh heh. I wouldn't make the same mistakes!
I'd make a whole 'nuther set of mistakes!!
What'd you think?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Aivo Dresden
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
343
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:28:00 -
[58] - Quote
I started over last year. In fact, 1 year and 8 days ago now.
let me think, things I did different from my old character when I originally made that one. I focused very strongly on 1 race and 1 weapon system. On my original character I kind of trained a bunch of different things all at the same time. It was fun but the character initially wasn't really that great at anything. This time around I started with a clear goal. I got implants on the first day of playing and I spend A LOT more time on doing core skills. I'm only just about finished with those really, after 20m SP. :P
When I first played there was no such thing as remaps and you had to spend 3 months training learning and advanced learning first. This time I could skip that AND use the cerebral accelerator. Starting now is much faster and easier than it used to be. Doing the tutorial missions and then the SoE arc puts on on roughly 100mill isk. More than enough for 10-15 fitted Condors and start PvP. I should spend a bit more time on getting standings up with the empire factions I suppose, but meeh. Not that bothered about that. |
Budrick3
Spiritus Draconis
Sicarius Draconis
33
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Posted - 2014.04.12 13:40:00 -
[59] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
Why would you feel loyal to the game after spending a considerable amount of money, time and effort.
I would quit the game in a fart beat. |
JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.04.12 14:00:00 -
[60] - Quote
Not sure to be honest, but I think I would likely keep playing.
Hard to say if I would do anything different either though, since the game has changed drastically since I started. It's actually much easier for new players now days than it once was.
There used to be no accelerated training in the earliest stages of the characters training.
15km was the closest you could warp to a gate or station (or anything) via autopilot or manual. Not going to mention the bookmark craze... I made a lot of money selling bookmarks on escrow back then. ;)
Aggression mechanics have been changed to make it easier on new players.
You don't have to worry about Learning Skills since they removed them from the game. (Thank god)
MANY skills were changed that made the pre requisite in the skill before it from 5 to 4 in order to make them more accessible to new players.
Tutorials are much better now than they once were. As opposed to just dropping you in front of an asteroid and saying "NOW MINE *****!" as you spend the next 30 minutes shooting your civilian hybrid rail gun at it.
SOV mechanics were even worse then than they are now. ;)
I think the game has gone in a good direction for player retention and namely new players, but I'm personally not so sure I would actually enjoy the earlier days as I once did. Hell even warp to 0 instantly made EVE seem much smaller than it once was. And one of the things that kept me around back then was the scale, scope, and complexity. |
Einar Skaldakimbi
A.S.K
6
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Posted - 2014.04.12 19:35:00 -
[61] - Quote
Of course I would start again. And yes, things would be different; I would be bitter from day one. |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
2565
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Posted - 2014.04.12 19:42:00 -
[62] - Quote
I love this character. I am invested to a certain degree.
Would I mourn it' if I had to start again? Yes - for a while.
I've started enough characters without contacts that I could start again. I've reached a point where I log in for fun.
If I had to start again I would just have a much better idea of how to do it.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
Teyr Schmitt
An Errant Venture
13
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Posted - 2014.04.12 20:00:00 -
[63] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:Karen Avioras wrote:Billy McCandless wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl? ied bee 400oisk beater orf I've missed you eyev mist yuo tue, anty keran
Is that you, Beezus? |
Hlokk Skoggangur
Shoot Them Later Serious Callers Only
6
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:24:00 -
[64] - Quote
No learning skills, no endless mining in a bantam for Isk, t1 ships that can do stuff, instead of racing to get into a Merlin just to do level one missions? Yes I would start again and it would be so easy.
After all, getting alts up and running and useful with all the current set up is so very simple, even when you keep them financially separate from your main. |
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
42
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:31:00 -
[65] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
I have created numerous accounts when I have been bored and played them for a couple of months. The last one I even skipped the career tutorials and started off with a rookie ship, civilian weapon, civilian mining laser and built up from there. That is how it was done when I started playing the game.
The thing is it only takes a couple of weeks to a month or so to be in a fitted (and tanked) mining barge or doing T3 missions in a BC/HAC even from that "low" start.
Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
287
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Posted - 2014.04.13 04:02:00 -
[66] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
I would just stop playing. I have almost 4 years of SP at near max efficiency. It would be painful to have to train all of that again.
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
324
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:08:00 -
[67] - Quote
1 post and a reply deleted fro trolling.
Please don't feed the trolls, people!
ISD Cura Ursus
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
324
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Posted - 2014.04.20 18:09:00 -
[68] - Quote
1 post removed for trolling.
ISD Cura Ursus
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
447
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Posted - 2014.04.20 19:15:00 -
[69] - Quote
I would stop playing.
I have too many memories wrapped up around my characters to have to start again and ~mask~ the older memories with newer versions. |
Obunagawe
344
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Posted - 2014.04.20 20:23:00 -
[70] - Quote
Would not play. The only thing that keeps me in EVE is the fact that it is "free" and that my isk multiplies with no significant effort. |
Dalto Bane
Black Swarm Locust
83
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:03:00 -
[71] - Quote
I would put more effort in the social and political aspect of Eve. Blogging, sharing knowledge and experiences, and showing others about how passionate I really am about the game. Basically what I have started doing lately, but much earlier.
I would do more focused training. My first two years were all over the place but mainly Caldari and Industrial which not bad in itself, was very inefficient for a long time. I would also go to low/null straight away and solo/small gang roam with no eff's given.
Dalto Bane for CSM10- Getting an early start. -á-My posts are my platform
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Xtreem
PERPIDE
Ineluctable.
180
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:16:00 -
[72] - Quote
I would not, simple as that, my investment in my sp/skills/stuff is why i'm still here, take it away and i'm gone tbh |
Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel
The G0dfathers
660
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:33:00 -
[73] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
Not really, I've done it once, so would not repeat it, doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy it the first time.
Wouldn't really have changed anything, Tal's done a bit of most things.. some more than others... so no.
Tal
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Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
13
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:42:00 -
[74] - Quote
Roll the game back 10 years and I might be willing, but with its current state of affairs and competition coming.... NO WAY! |
Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
33
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Posted - 2014.04.20 23:46:00 -
[75] - Quote
See, to me the responses are very interesting, esecially if you start looking at it in terms of starting a new game. What if there was an EVE 2 announced, with no existing assets/pilots grandfathered in? Same basic idea as EVE, but with a new grapics engine and upgraded mechanics and programming under the hood?
Would people still be unwilling to start over in that situation?
"What a sad world we live in, where politeness is mistaken for weakness."-á - Usagi Yojimbo |
Talon SilverHawk
Ronin Cartel
The G0dfathers
661
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:22:00 -
[76] - Quote
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:See, to me the responses are very interesting, esecially if you start looking at it in terms of starting a new game. What if there was an EVE 2 announced, with no existing assets/pilots grandfathered in? Same basic idea as EVE, but with a new grapics engine and upgraded mechanics and programming under the hood?
Would people still be unwilling to start over in that situation?
It would be a different game so completely different scenario, of course I would create a new character in a new game ?? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Council of Peace and Prosperity
3481
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:28:00 -
[77] - Quote
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:See, to me the responses are very interesting, esecially if you start looking at it in terms of starting a new game. What if there was an EVE 2 announced, with no existing assets/pilots grandfathered in? Same basic idea as EVE, but with a new grapics engine and upgraded mechanics and programming under the hood?
Would people still be unwilling to start over in that situation?
Why couldnt you just import everything with an API key?
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1***
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn
"Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15172
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Posted - 2014.04.21 09:36:00 -
[78] - Quote
Seraphi Nephalis wrote:See, to me the responses are very interesting, esecially if you start looking at it in terms of starting a new game. What if there was an EVE 2 announced, with no existing assets/pilots grandfathered in? Same basic idea as EVE, but with a new grapics engine and upgraded mechanics and programming under the hood?
Would people still be unwilling to start over in that situation?
We're already on EVE 2 I think. Maybe even EVE 3, depending on how you want to define it. CCP have upgraded the game engine at least twice and so many things work so differently (and so many more simply didn't exist) that calling "2014 EVE" a sequel to "2003 EVE" in everything except the accumulated lore (and what would the gain be in ditching the accumulated lore?) seems pretty reasonable to me.
And if we're using this definition, then CCP are hard at work on EVE 3 (or 4) right now.
Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken
James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries
179
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:17:00 -
[79] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
Not really, being asked to give up all the time you invested, effort and things you gained is not the same as telling a new player to enjoy the game. I may be a bitter vet, but I also buy and play new games, starting from zero like everyone else. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
609
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Posted - 2014.04.21 13:23:00 -
[80] - Quote
I'd still go down the industrial and logistical path, because it just fascinates me more than combat. But even within industry there's still a lot I haven't tried before, so maybe I'd do more focused on trading instead of production.
My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
19199
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Posted - 2014.04.21 14:15:00 -
[81] - Quote
Billy McCandless wrote:ied bee 400oisk beater orf
they didn't think it be like it is, but it do!
Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Spurty
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
1337
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Posted - 2014.04.21 15:24:00 -
[82] - Quote
Covert ops ships to 5 and a cloak first.
Interceptors 5 second.
Nothing else matters really
*signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
610
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Posted - 2014.04.21 15:46:00 -
[83] - Quote
Spurty wrote:Covert ops ships to 5 and a cloak first.
Interceptors 5 second.
Nothing else matters really
I would go the other way cos you can always fly covops in an Astero till you get the covops skill up to scratch but there is no substitute for an interceptor whenyou need one.
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Abyss Azizora
Astro Industrial Technologies
106
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Posted - 2014.04.21 18:08:00 -
[84] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
I actually did this a few years back, minus the biomassing of the first toon, just stopped using him. And I did go a very different direction, my first toon was pure miner/industrialist, this one is focused on pve/pvp and not a single indy skill, also I decided to use amarr ships, even though they SUCKED back then, pays off now. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Disband.
1134
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Posted - 2014.04.21 18:15:00 -
[85] - Quote
If I did it all over again I wouldn't waste the first 2 years carebearing.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
618
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Posted - 2014.04.21 22:23:00 -
[86] - Quote
It would take too long to properly respond to this thread,
but I promise I will as soon as I am done finishing my epic combo!
Tomorrow. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1640
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Posted - 2014.04.22 00:14:00 -
[87] - Quote
admiral root wrote:If I did it all over again I wouldn't waste the first 2 years carebearing.
Certainly not empty quoting.
Side note:
Hey, Sol......
C-C-C-C-COMBO-BREAKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*edit
BUI'd the combobreaker. Wanted to make sure you saw it.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1301
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Posted - 2014.04.22 00:40:00 -
[88] - Quote
I didn't exactly biomass, I just completely forgot every detail of my old account when I came back mid last year, so started a new one from scratch again.
My old account was a single character from 2004 that primarily played solo in highsec mining and mission running.
Coming back I went a completely different way and am having way more fun.
Instead of trying to grind ISK out through PvE, I just converted a couple of PLEX to ISK to give me a good bank balance early so I didn't need to worry about the grind at all.
Then I completed all the tutorial missions and moved immediately to lowsec and started pvping. Not having to worry about to grinding out ISK was great, though I knew I would run out of ISK getting blown up all the time, so I started a PI/Industry/Trading alt on the same account to generate passive income that could supply my pvp.
Looking to generate passive income rather than grind out ISK has made the game much more enjoyable than when I played on my previous account as I've now built up an income of 1 billion/month so far and don't have to worry about ISK at all.
Since returning, I haven't mined or run a mission since I completed the NPE.
The other thing I did was join my old mates in their Corp early on. Previously I played mostly solo, but it's much more enjoyable in a player run Corp. The social aspects of the game keep me logging in almost every day.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
613
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Posted - 2014.04.22 04:34:00 -
[89] - Quote
Scipio Artelius wrote:
- this, my main
- ISK making alt
- exploration/scout/cyno alt
- FW pilot that is just plexing and training away
- forum alt that shows his face in specific situations
you need two more forum alts then they can all argue with each other ....
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
6
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Posted - 2014.04.22 04:50:00 -
[90] - Quote
Been a pirate since 2004. Would remain a pirate in 2014.
Nothing would change for me.
Edit: Just realized that I've been in this game for 10 years. Man...
Famine Aligher'ri
Master Pirate |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
539
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Posted - 2014.04.22 11:26:00 -
[91] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
Every single bitter vet started out as a new player at some point. Some did when CCP didn't care much about offering a helping hand to new players.
I started out with 5000 isk, no tutorial, no free frigates given to me during one, or free money, or free items or whatever. Getting to your first million took a lot of work, whereas now you're given it on a silver platter. Even better, there was no concord or even gate guns in the early days, making ganking as easy as it is in low or nullsec today with virtually no consequences. Getting minerals for your stuff? Loot was worthless, there were no level 4 missions and no mining barges - People mined in cruisers and battleships which had no bonus to mining at all. The market was a mess with a lot of stuff still NPC seeded.
Even the smart people who figured out the worthwhile activities had trouble making them actually work. People didn't come together to wage wars and have gudfights, they came together by necessity since playing the game solo at that point was virtually impossible. Having to spend 1.5m on making a corp was a big group effort.
There were no alliances. No tech 2. No POS. No PI. No FW. The highest bounty on any belt rat you could find was 50k isk, missions were basically non existent.
We've already been newbies. We worked hard to get out of that when the game was as buggy as an overpopulated anthill with a lot less features, and options to make a bit of isk. When learning skills were still around, no attribute remaps, no implants, so skilling was slow as hell.
New players nowadays have no clue how good they have it. The statement you make doesn't make any sense unless you have not even tried to understand the perspective of those bitter vets.
Let alone that wiping out 10 years of playtime just to please newbies who don't understand the game is a bit too much to ask...
Come back to me in 10 years and let me know if you wouldn't mind losing all that time and effort. I will still be here by that time but i have a vague impression you may leave this game before the end of the year.
Oh, and i wouldn't quit. I'd just do everything i did all over again because dammit, i had fun doing it.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Card Shark Industries
14
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Posted - 2014.04.22 13:37:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
i will change the way i play the gamme anyway,industrialist as i was is ded to me nowe.if was a new player i train for gnosis and do incursion in a corp fleet making 70-100m a houer after less than 30d playing the game. i will make more monny in 2 months with 1 accont doing that than i have made with 6 acconts doing indi in hi sec for more than 2 years. |
Cpt Swagg
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:47:00 -
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I wouldn't play if I had to restart again.
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SKINE DMZ
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S
A Band Apart.
444
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Posted - 2014.04.22 14:52:00 -
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I'm not an old vet, but I would do this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/23k1sg/even_a_solo_pioneer_can_get_the_job_done/
What am I talking about, I WILL do that!... one day 
I disagree
RAWR IM TOUGH |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
Repeat 0ffenders
187
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Posted - 2014.04.22 15:55:00 -
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I'm not an old vet but if I were to start over I would:
start 15 accounts at the same time
Learn to ISbox them effectively using ventures to mine while skilling them for procurers
After skilling for procurers I would go pure minmatar so when not mining I could go down the following progression:
15 Thrashers
15 Ruptures
15 Tornado's
15 Nags
BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
1306
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:15:00 -
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I biomassed my old toon in rage over the whole 'greed is good' memo.
I planned to stay away for ever. CCP is exceptionally lucky that they don't have strong competition for the whole sci fi mmo market place. I resisted it as long as I could, but New Eden called me back.
Strange thing though, new eden molds you into a certain type of individual. You might start off as a trader, miner, industrialist but it wont be long before you start training those combat skills, as you'll feel the need to use them.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Mellisa Jade
Sarum Family Auxiliary Support
22
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:21:00 -
[97] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Imagine you would biomass all your toons + assets today and make complete brandnew restart only with 5000isk. Would you go a different way or would you play again at all? What would change in your rl?
I start over just about once every year.
I use the isk from selling "me" to start a new "me" and play for plex.
I enjoy it a lot. You can make a playable character inside 2 months easily.
Fresh starts are good fun.
Ive often wondered if a hardcore character mode where you are biomassed if you get podded would be fun ?
'Time is to eternity, as the mind is to what surrounds us.' |
Grunanca
Doughboys
Shadow Cartel
219
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:27:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Any veteran who says he would quit the game if required to start over has no right to tell a new player to enjoy playing the game in his present situation.
I look forward to the answers provided by the old vets to your question.
Why? We have been through it. Back in 2006 where I started, there were already vets and new people were making the exact same posts as this one. If the approximately 5000 euro I haver spend on 3 accounts over the years were to be wasted I would definately leave. On the other hand I have enjoyed my journey here, but the journey is done and now I dont need low skills to learn the game again. Would rather spend my energy getting even further.
In other games you also unlock stuff by playing. Would you play a game if you get reset to tutorial every few months? I wouldnt! |
Divine Entervention
Abyss Cooperative 3
400
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Posted - 2014.04.22 16:38:00 -
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The 5000 euros you spent would only be "wasted" if you didn't enjoy the time you were experiencing while spending that 5000 euro.
What is suppose to be the focal point? The destination? Or the trip?
If the justification is the "destination", and not the trip, then 8 years of investment for the game to finally become "worth" it, IMO, is too long of an investment to make on a game that's already 10 years old, and might possibly not exist in 8 more.
If EvE is how you describe it, a game that is not worth it until you've reached the product of 8 years investment, that's a mighty high asking price to ask for someone who's looking for an opportunity to have fun now.
Now of course, if you did enjoy your 8 years spent while spending 5000 Euros, then what's the reason for feeling as though you've been cheated? You enjoyed your time. Wasn't the enjoyment you derived in the past the "worth" of it?
Wouldn't starting over with everyone else in a server wipe give you an opportunity to experience another 8 years of worth, going through it together?
Or are you more concerned with maintaining your advantage, than you are with having a good time?
Proof of lying in thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4349703#post4349703 |
Anslo
Scope Works
4891
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:09:00 -
[100] - Quote
Wouldn't have cross trained as much as I did. Woulda stayed gallente and bum rushed to the path of ishtars while making sure my core skills got where they needed to be. Would hop into a thron for L4 grindage while derping around with a vexor or algos for pew til I could properly fit and fly proteus.
Then I'd be a tool and train to an Archon because **** logic, it's prettier than the Thanatos.
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Sky Syndicate
199
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Posted - 2014.04.22 20:47:00 -
[101] - Quote
Well, Factional warfare wasn't around when I started playing, so the first thing I'd change would be to get involved in FW straight away. Lose frigs, make isk, work my way back to where I was in terms of SP. As soon as I had the SP to do scanning and T3 stuff decently again, I'd go back to wormholes instead of faffing about in empire and nullsec like I did before. Other than that...not much in terms of "big picture" I'd change, really. Mostly it would just be correcting all the inefficient stuff I did because I was new and didn't know the mechanics all that well.
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for."
-CCP Wrangler |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Probe Patrol
Ixtab.
211
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Posted - 2014.04.22 20:53:00 -
[102] - Quote
I dunno OP ask me in @ 25 years. |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
2581
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:14:00 -
[103] - Quote
5 years come May, so not sure I count as a Vet just yet
I wouldn't do a huge amount differently. I got picked up by some really nice guys early on that didn't quite share my desire to see things blow up. That slowed me down quite a bit.
I suppose my main flaw was not finding the right corp to sit within, in the right timezone, quickly enough.
Eve was my first MMO though and I had no idea what gaming with other people was like.
I look back on some of the things I have done and I cringe inside. So yeah - to answer the question - starting again would be annoying from a time investment side but the social thing would be pretty different.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
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