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Lo Han	Posted - 2006.05.11 07:57:00 - [1] The Vagabond is is now the only HAC that you can no longer buy on Escrew or the local market. From the likes of NAGA you have to wait 6 months due to demand and lack of producers. There must also be other T2 items that have been dropped a while back that are now very hard to get. Being a game, people leave, take breaks or simply get bored of T2 production. Some BPO's are sold, but a number just waste away. Maybe the time is coming when some of the older, but still very good items that have gently left the game are re-spawned so that they can be introduced again. This is not a, flood the market with T2 items call or anything like that. But a few BPO's being dropped here or there of the now very rare T2's just to get them back into the game would be a good thing surely ?
Khatred	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:00:00 - [2] Fly a Muninn _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
DarkCEO	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:01:00 - [3] I put about 40 Vagabonds on the market this past weekend all went within an hour.
Lo Han	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:15:00 - [4] I have a muninn, but that is not the answer. I don't doubt that you put 40 Vagabonds on the market DarkCEO, however it does not detract that it is still the hardest HAC to gain and that all of the others you can buy in most systems. But lets not get stuck on purely the Vagabond issue, there are many other T2 items such as Cap rechargers T2 etc, which have almost fallen from the game. I am not trying to cut peoples profits or anything, just try to make a reasonable availiabilty of T2 items.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:20:00 - [5] kali will be out by the end of july (q2 2006) which should hopefully have a solution to all of this. I know a large part of the eve community is waiting to see what happens, and will go on a smartbombing rampage if it's delayed/doesn't work or just plain sucks Originally by: Fi T'Zeh I'm a complete tosser.
Eximius Josari	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:20:00 - [6] Send an order to Jenny ~Eximius Josari, Hegemon of the E.A.R.T.H. Federation
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:36:00 - [7] - highly doubt that the scarcity of Vagabonds and other tech2 ships or modules has anything to do with there being one or more 'idle' BPO's for these things. It's more likely that those that do reach the market are sold out so fat you don't see them. Combine that with the likelyhood that most of them don't even reach markets but are used internally by alliances or traded informally without use of public escrows or the market and it all adds up nicely. And yes, Kali will adress that to some extent, the question being nowadays: Which Kali patch, and when will that one come ? Power to the players !
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:39:00 - [8] use a BS instead.
Forsch	Posted - 2006.05.11 08:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Sarmaul and will go on a smartbombing rampage if it's delayed/doesn't work or just plain sucks I like that idea. Forsch Defender of the empire More love for side factions!
Xthril Ranger	Posted - 2006.05.11 09:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Lo Han I don't doubt that you put 40 Vagabonds on the market DarkCEO, however it does not detract that it is still the hardest HAC to gain and that all of the others you can buy in most systems. Put up buy orders? offer enough and someone will sell you one. you'll never jump alone

HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.11 09:05:00 - [11] i blame a certain forum poster who has one of the BPOs out of production
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:42:00 - [12] Originally by: HippoKing i blame a certain forum poster, who has one of the BPOs out of production Yes, I heard of that one, but don't know if it's true. If I had a vagabond BPO and no char to produce, I'd buy a r&d char for isk. But there is another guy with a vagabond BPO, who doesn't play. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Nyabinghi	Posted - 2006.05.12 04:53:00 - [13] I never really understood how the market could ever possibly be "flooded" with T2 items. Considering the cost and skills required. I mean...what's the hold back? Why are these BPO so limited? So only 6 or 7 guys get rich off them in a game of tens of thousands? Why aren't those who have the ability to produce them churning them out as fast as they can? I don't get it. I make cool banners for ISK.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.05.12 06:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Nyabinghi I never really understood how the market could ever possibly be "flooded" with T2 items. Considering the cost and skills required. I mean...what's the hold back? Why are these BPO so limited? So only 6 or 7 guys get rich off them in a game of tens of thousands? Why aren't those who have the ability to produce them churning them out as fast as they can? I don't get it. Each BPO can only make a HAC every 36 hours or so. So there's a top limit to how many Vagas can be made per week. And it is an incredibly popular ship that is seen in combat all the time. So they sell out like mad. I hope Kali fixes the situation.
Drizit	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:10:00 - [15] So what about other T2 BPO's that items have never appeared for at all? Nanofibers, Overdrives and a few others. Surely these are being made somewhere. With the popularity of HACS and their resulting price, I would have thought all HAC producers would be churning them out by the dozen. If I had one of those BPO's, my local factory would never have a spare slot since 1 run BPC's would fill every slot there was. While they were cooking, I'd be running off the next batch of BPC's. Damn, way to get rich quick or what? --
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 12/05/2006 07:13:36 Originally by: Snake Jankins Edited by: Snake Jankins on 12/05/2006 04:45:53 Originally by: HippoKing i blame a certain forum poster, who has one of the BPOs out of production Yes, I heard of that one, but don't know if it's true. If I had a vagabond BPO and no char to produce, I'd buy a r&d/industry char for isk. But there is another guy with a vagabond BPO, who doesn't play. Maybe cant find an industrial alt or no ISKs for it? /agrees with HippoKing. I wonder who. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Corporate Consultation Services
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 12/05/2006 07:19:54 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Maybe cant find an industrial alt or no ISKs for it? isk can't be a problem. Sell you navy raven and buy a new one later or make a deal with your alliance. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Snake Jankins Edited by: Snake Jankins on 12/05/2006 07:19:54 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Maybe cant find an industrial alt or no ISKs for it? isk can't be a problem. Sell you navy raven and buy a new one later or make a deal with your alliance. Nah, I blame RA and friends for their Vagabonds misuse and logon tactics. Maybe when they are nicer, market might be nicer too. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Corporate Consultation Services
Ballistic Mystic	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:24:00 - [19] Originally by: Drizit So what about other T2 BPO's that items have never appeared for at all? Nanofibers, Overdrives and a few others. Surely these are being made somewhere. With the popularity of HACS and their resulting price, I would have thought all HAC producers would be churning them out by the dozen. If I had one of those BPO's, my local factory would never have a spare slot since 1 run BPC's would fill every slot there was. While they were cooking, I'd be running off the next batch of BPC's. Damn, way to get rich quick or what? Hehe. That's a clever plan until you realize that it takes over twice as long to make a 1 run BPC as it does to build the ship itself.
Lisa Run	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Lisa Run on 12/05/2006 07:24:03 deleted ___________________________ ! Post under construction !

Intensity Green	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:42:00 - [21] Unfortunately Supply is completely static in EVE. It is very understandable that vaga prices are where they are. Lucky bastards who got the bpos
Lo Han	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:47:00 - [22] With t2 ships, they do have a long build times limitting output. With so few BPO's being dropped it does mean that when 3 of one ship type are not in production ( I know of another one out of use now ) it does make a very significant diffence to availiability. I dont care if a few people become hugely rich out of their BPO drops, as long as the item becomes availiable. I make T2 missiles for a friend because I have the skills and he does not. For the effort in gaining bits, keeping the production going etc, the income is frankly not worth it (a couple of mill a week). On smaller items such as the nanofibers etc there does need to be some thought as to whether the drop system works. Not all T2 BPO's make lots of isk when you go into production. This does not mean stop the drop system, but maybe with the number of players now ( rememeber it was created when not as many of us were on the servers ) the amount of drops, and those already in the game needs an increase in numbers or decrease in production time.
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2006.05.12 07:49:00 - [23] Yep, its all part of the fubar tech II lottery system. HACS are more expensive than command cruisers. LOL
Kunming	Posted - 2006.05.12 08:08:00 - [24] Vaga is pretty much one of the most wanted HACs next to the cerberus probably. Not saying its overpowered (though definetly thinking it), but maybe some other hacs are not as powerful enough for ppl to desire them... muninn, deimos, sacrilege etc
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.05.12 09:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Miss Overlord use a BS instead. /Slap Spirits in the night! Allll Niiight!!
Muthsera	Posted - 2006.05.12 09:28:00 - [26] Painball used them all up. My thoughts
Seleene	Posted - 2006.05.12 09:35:00 - [27] When MC bought our Vagy BPO, there was also a Munin BPO on sale. We elected to go with the Vagy and spent the wallet-breaking sum of six billion ISK. - History of the MC movie!
Oberon Quintaran	Posted - 2006.05.14 13:55:00 - [28] Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd Yep, its all part of the fubar tech II lottery system. HACS are more expensive than command cruisers. LOL That's because there are few fewer pilots who can fly a command ship so the demand is way lower for replacements/new ships. Every man and his dog flies a HAC or would if they could afford to PVP in one. _____________________________________________ Follower of the great visionary Sansha.
PriceCheckMax	Posted - 2006.05.14 14:00:00 - [29] Vagabond sellers: Please, higher the price to about... at least 250M to 300M?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.14 14:26:00 - [30] Originally by: PriceCheckMax Vagabond sellers: Please, higher the price to about... at least 250M to 300M? Life isnt about ISKs. It is about control. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Corporate Consultation Services



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