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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.04.13 07:30:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:I think CCP can gather more player input from forums, questionairs and sub numbers than they can from this group.
Is CSM just a feel-good dog and pony show?
I was pleasantly surprised to find out how effective the CSM can be. The main value of the CSM necessarily lies in the NDA covered feedback it can give from named, accountable representatives whom CCP work with over a decent length of time.
One of the strongest ways we can help is by bringing in-depth knowledge of specific gameplay areas. Remember that EVE is simply too big and complex for anyone to be an expert on everything - even the devs. Especially the devs, because they spend more time writing code than playing the game.
To give a hypothetical example of what I mean, suppose CCP Rise, who has a strong background in solo/very small gang PvP wants to give a boat class a general buff. He writes up a draft devblog in which he proposes that Amarr Fleebleboats should get a 15% speed increase, while Minmatar Flobbleboats get a 20% sig reduction. In terms of his experience, the Fleeble speed increase is about as valuable as the Flobble sig bonus. However people like Progod and Sala have extensive big fleet combat, and they advise that the main use for Fleebles and Flobbles in game is as big fleet ships, in which case the 20% reduction vs bomb damage is far more powerful than an increase in subwarp speed.
Now sure, Rise could just ask the playerbase in general, but the problem with doing that is:
(1) A very poor signal to noise ratio, becaue most forum posters are unable or unwilling to give useful, coherent and logical feedback.
(2) A large contingent of people who take any idea by a CCP employee about anything as a binding commitment. These people then get super mad that Flobbleboats don't get the 20% sig reduction that they were "promised!!!!". They whine on about it for years and poison all further ship balancing threads with their refusal to let it go.
(3) Metagaming comes into play, eg: Say the CFC already have a large fraction of their fleet members trained into Flobbleboats due to existing doctrines. Thus the NC can gain a relative advantage in ensuring that Flobbles aren't buffed, and try and campaign to make sure that they end up the worst fleetship in the boat class.
(4) Dinsdale.
Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken
James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15070
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Posted - 2014.04.13 07:33:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:I guess they are more "reliable" as feedback source than simple polls due to a fact that devs speak with real people not with dry excel sheets that most definitely would contain healthy dosage of trolling. Of course that might be a good or bad thing depending on who is talking to who (whom?) and on what subject.
Also Malcanis is very effective as sarcastic holier-than-thou douche relentlessly pointing out that if you didn't put your people in CSM you have no right to have valuable opinion on anything. I miss good old manifesto writing Malcanis who could be bothered with responses longer than one line of "haha, you don't matter!". And I say it with all love I can squeeze out of my avatar.
One of the reasons I'm not running again is so that I will have the time and energy to have ideas like that again.
Also I get sarcastic when I am confronted with the same stupid strawmen and fallacies over and over again. Does there come a point where one no longer entitled to expect patience if one simply can't be bothered to learn?
Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken
James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2014.04.13 22:23:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Funny funny funny. How effective is the CSM? The only way to find out is for CCP to release another debacle like the forced in-station "view", have the player base rise up in protest, and watch the CSM go to the CCP staff and tell them, "You know what? I don't think they like this very much."
Of course. CCP could already TELL this by the uprising itself. SO, the CSM MUST be for US! So, you tell me, how comfortable are you now just knowing that bunch of folks (who have to invent a purpose for themselves as they await the next disaster) is there waiting to tell CCP something they already know to give YOU a sense YOU are being represented...personally...
Uh...by an elected official? (Somebody google "farce" for me.)
So you're a vaccine denier?
Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken
James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15099
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:16:00 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Quote:One of the strongest ways we can help is by bringing in-depth knowledge of specific gameplay areas. Remember that EVE is simply too big and complex for anyone to be an expert on everything - even the devs. Especially the devs, because they spend more time writing code than playing the game.
CSM Malcanis wrote what i suspected.
Don't you spend more time at work than you do playing video games?
Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken
James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
15099
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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:24:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Tell me one single good thing the CSM has done for Eve. Umm...they disband once a year so we can have a pantomime election!
Ship Maintenence Arrays drop loot again.
That was us.
Here is my CSM9 endorsement list - vote for diversity of expertise : Ali Aras-á Mangala Solaris-á Mike Azariah-á Steve Ronuken
James Arget-á Xander Phoena-á Sugar Kyle-á corbexx-á mynnna-á progodlegend-á Psychotic Monk-á Jayne Fillion
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