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Kakanur
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:48:00 -
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Hello!
I¦m thinking of buying a CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo 2000MHz HT 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Dual Core Processor.
I've read in some forums that for some it was not working very good with online games, one even mentioned Eve-online  and it appear that it's becuse the Dual Core Processor.
I just wonder if anyone have any experiance about Dual Core Processors and your thought's about them?
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katz3
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:51:00 -
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Eve runs on my X2 4400+ without any problems.
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Galadiin Venyaa
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:52:00 -
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I hope someone with experience in this chimes in, but from what I read you have to assign Eve to a core manually.
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Xeaon
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:53:00 -
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I've got a 4600 myself, i had problems with eve when i first got it, with very bad fps jumping (going from 20-300). There's a hotfix microsoft put out that fixes that up though. Everything else runs fine 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Galadiin Venyaa
I hope someone with experience in this chimes in, but from what I read you have to assign Eve to a core manually.
I got a 3800 dual core, tried this fix and it didn't work. Everything in my computer worked fine EXCEPT EVE, no matter what I tried. So I'm back on my single core 3200 until someone tells me WTF I can do. 
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:54:00 -
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I don't have one, but from previous threads you somehow disable one of the cores, or only allow the game to work on one core at a time. i'm sure that when they do the Vista/DX10 version it'll fully support dual core's.
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Batoues
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:56:00 -
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Hmm i asumed that EVE actualy used both cores, i run EVE on a Opteron 170 @ 2.6ghz and it looks like EVE actualy uses both cores, windows taskmanager shows that EVE uses about 70% cpu on both cores, when eve running.
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Xeaon
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:56:00 -
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I'll link that hotfix for you when i get back from work seleene, should fix it.
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Aesic
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:57:00 -
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I have dual 1.8 processers in my laptop and it works perfectly with no fixes...
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Rashmika Clavain
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:57:00 -
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I thoughtthey recently patched (or made one) so that EVE would be compatible with dual core CPU's?
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:58:00 -
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I've got a dual core myself and EVE works great on it. Even run up to 3 accounts at the same time off of one client with it. Only 1 game I've had to do the assign one core with thing, and that was stronghold 2. There is a hotfix though I believe.
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Xeaon
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Posted - 2006.05.12 11:59:00 -
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Link
Good thread there for anyone who still has problems.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:00:00 -
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Opteron 170, no issues here.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:01:00 -
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Is this the hotfix from Microsoft? I did install one from there.
My problem was that the game would crash within 30 seconds of the station or space loading OR the moment someone invited me to a gang. EVERY. FREAKIN. TIME. 
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:06:00 -
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Use Task Manager to set processor affinity.
I had Eve struggle on a HT P4 box at work, doing the above helps a bit (doesnt fix it though)
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Kakanur
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:13:00 -
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Thank you for your responce!
I¦ll think I will give it a try and if needed I hope the Fix works
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Frools
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Batoues
Hmm i asumed that EVE actualy used both cores, i run EVE on a Opteron 170 @ 2.6ghz and it looks like EVE actualy uses both cores, windows taskmanager shows that EVE uses about 70% cpu on both cores, when eve running.
it doesnt, it does what most games that arent designed with dual core in mind do
switch rapidly between the two cores, ie it uses 100% of one core for a second then switches and uses 100% of the other
this often causes jerky gameplay, had loads of games do this
if you install the MS dual core patch most problems go away, if they dont try to set affinity manually
run eve, open up task manager, find the exefile.exe process, right click -> set affinity -> untick one of the cores
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Galadiin Venyaa
I hope someone with experience in this chimes in, but from what I read you have to assign Eve to a core manually.
I have an X64 4400 x2. EVE works fine. Slightly better FPS if you set CPU affinity, but it doesn't actually grumble much.
I have installed the AMD dual core patch though.
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Nery
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:16:00 -
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EvE had problems back in 2005 with dual cores the engine stocked every few seconds. then you had to assign to one core.
Now there was a patch somewhere at the begin of the year i guess. They implemented Dual Core CPU Support. Now it works great on my 4000+ X2. I had 3 Instances of EvE open yesterday to switch some stuff of my trial to the reactivated old accounts. It worked great!
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Galadiin Venyaa
I hope someone with experience in this chimes in, but from what I read you have to assign Eve to a core manually.
I got a 3800 dual core, tried this fix and it didn't work. Everything in my computer worked fine EXCEPT EVE, no matter what I tried. So I'm back on my single core 3200 until someone tells me WTF I can do.
Blood patch fixed you having to set one core for EVE. Its in the patchnotes and my 3800+ X2 hasn't skipped a beat even with 4 accounts active.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Galadiin Venyaa
I hope someone with experience in this chimes in, but from what I read you have to assign Eve to a core manually.
I did... until I cleared cache. Now the game works sweet as on both cores. 3800 x2 here.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:55:00 -
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Yup. I never bother with affinity, and since I dont have SP2 and Cool 'n Quiet is off, I didnt need the MS patch.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.05.12 12:57:00 -
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duel core Intel and never had the issues some seem to be having with AMD duel core.
To be honest though, if I had to build another box, I would go AMD to save money, and make two boxs for the same cost (okokok but it would sure save a bunch of $$$).
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:06:00 -
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Just to add to the conflicting reports...
I have a dual-core Athlon X64 4200+. I works beautifully in EvE. No stuttering, slowdowns, or manifestations of malevolent supernatural beings. I haven't had to apply any patches, hotfixes, processor affinity changes, string or duct tape.
(The full setup is WinXP home on X64 x2 4200+, 2GB RAM, X1900XT and it runs two clients at 100fps with no problems)
I can also confirm that using a Intel Core Duo works fine too - the setup here is a MacBook Pro (2.0GHz/1GB RAM/X1600 Mobile) running XP Pro installed through boot camp.
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Cocoi
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Posted - 2006.05.12 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Just to add to the conflicting reports...
I can also confirm that using a Intel Core Duo works fine too - the setup here is a MacBook Pro (2.0GHz/1GB RAM/X1600 Mobile) running XP Pro installed through boot camp.
What the man said - My mac with Core Duo outperforms my desktop, which is a Pentium M single - by far!
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2006.05.12 14:46:00 -
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I have an Opteron 165 (dual core) clocked at 2.4Ghz (9x266) and it runs my two instance of EvE in a most excellent way, and is also very stable. This is done along with 2Gb of RAM, of course.
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2006.05.12 15:00:00 -
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Dual Core CPU works just fine with EVE. It works fine with 99.99% of programs, and the 0.01% is coded by morons.
The issue many people see is that (broken) games use TSC CPU timers to sync their ingame timers, and TSC when polled from two cores of X2 can give different results. AMD doesn't guarantee that the core's TSC timers stay 'in sync' related to each other.
Operating systems are supposed to take this into account, and programs are supposed to be coded to ask the timing from the OS. Many games are not.
To fix this, in Windows, you need to do two things.
1. Tell windows to use PM timer instead of TSC timer. This is done by installing the AMD CPU driver. (from www.amd.com)
2. Install a hotfix to windows that will 'fix' the TSC desync by resyncing the TSC of the other core from the first core. This makes badly programmed games to work fine, without having to force them to run just on one core.
To get the hotfix and instructions how to install it properly, check this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=81429
After installing the cpu driver and the hotfix, I have NEVER needed to set affinity to just one core. Yes, in some rare cases, setting the comp to just one core can make a game to run with a few percent faster framerate, but unless you are a benchmark freak, it's not worth the effort. If you running X2, your computer is so fast anyway that the difference is mostly meaningless. In most games, you get benefits, especially since both nVidia and AMD drivers can offload some of the driver code to run on the 2nd cpu core.
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Syrus666
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Posted - 2006.05.12 15:27:00 -
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My experience with a dual core CPU,
Rig :
Asus A8N SLI Deluxe.
AMD 4400 X2.
2 gig dual channel branded ram.
ATI X1800.
Fatal1ty sound card.
480W Branded PSU.
Right, whenever I tried and run more than one eve account at a time my PC switches off and reboot's recovering from a serious error. I have no problem running say, 1 eve, CS:S & Oblivion at the same time, but 2 eve's and it's bye bye PC.
After patching everything I could possibly think of, trying everything anyones ever suggested. I solved it :
Run the second, third and fouth eve's on my other PC which is single core. 
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Jin'Roh
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:09:00 -
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3800 X2 here and no problems, now
i had crashes after jumping or undockung etc. lots..
i found a dev post, asking for bugreports and crash-logs, the "#crash.dmp" files in your \logs folder.
did it and i think, or... "want to believe"  ccp fixed something
eve is running very smooth now.
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Syrus666
My experience with a dual core CPU,
Rig :
Asus A8N SLI Deluxe.
AMD 4400 X2.
2 gig dual channel branded ram.
ATI X1800.
Fatal1ty sound card.
480W Branded PSU.
Right, whenever I tried and run more than one eve account at a time my PC switches off and reboot's recovering from a serious error. I have no problem running say, 1 eve, CS:S & Oblivion at the same time, but 2 eve's and it's bye bye PC.
After patching everything I could possibly think of, trying everything anyones ever suggested. I solved it :
Run the second, third and fouth eve's on my other PC which is single core.
The only oddity I've seen while running multiple clients with my dual core setup (DFI's NF4 SLI-DR, 4600+ X2, 2GB RAM, X1900XT) is some odd audio problems with the 2nd client.
Maybe try disabling game sounds completely? Or outright uninstalling your soundcard? If that magically fixes your issue, the problem is the soundcard.
Windows 'recoverin from serious error' after a reboot means your computer bluescreened. If you turn off the 'automatically reboot' option from your control panel->system, you will get to see the actual bluescreen. If you try that, note which sys/dll crashed, and what error code, and google for 'em for additional clues.
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Industrial Operative, Beagle Corp
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Aion Amarra
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Posted - 2006.05.12 16:41:00 -
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Seleene:
You could try cleaning the Cache. Of EVE, I mean. It's always pretty much the first thing I do when I start having problems with EVE, and works in pretty much all cases. If that helps with dual core probs or not, dunno. I'm running eve on a 2,6ghz P4. Can't hurt to try, though, in case you didn't already.
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Amano vonBek
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Posted - 2006.05.12 17:42:00 -
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So no absolute definite answer ...
I'm looking at a new machine, was tempted to slaughter the cred card and get a 4800+ dual core thingumajig with a 7900gtx and such, was under the impression that patches from one place or another had fixed the dual-core issues, but if there's still issues then it will be a very expensive mistake if EVE don't play right on it ... 
If you do go into the task manager and set the affinity for that EXE to one core or the other, does it stay that way the next time you run that EXE or do you have to do it each time you open the proggy? Could I, f. ex. set my main account to run on one core, and my hauling/ spying/ whatever account to run on the other core along with any other stuff like media, t'interweb, etc, and have it remember those settings?
Assuming I do get a AMD dual-core, which patches would I need to download. I've seen reference to Microsoft patches and AMD patches and such, just want to know I'd be using the right one.
Any help would be appreciated
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Jarnis McPieksu
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 12/05/2006 18:23:55
There are no issues, as long as you install amd cpu driver, and properly add the MS hotfix. After that EVE flies on X2.
Most of the people quoting 'problems' with X2 are just people with either missing fixes/patches. Rest have broken hardware in their comp messing things up (unrelated to X2)
Instructions to avoid all X2 problems:
AMD X2 cpu driver and hotfix links and installation instructions
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Industrial Operative, Beagle Corp
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Anarlina
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:39:00 -
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I have been running EvE on a Core Duo 2Ghz laptop since I started, without any particular issues that aren't network-related. Of course, it seems like the conflict with dual-core chips was specific to XP's interaction with the AMD chip drivers. With the hotfix, I don't see why a dual core would be a bad purchase, myself.
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Agent F
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Posted - 2006.05.12 18:39:00 -
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Have an FX-60 and it runs perfect without the patch. 7 instances of the same client without audio and only 60% cpu usage 
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Amano vonBek
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Posted - 2006.05.12 19:17:00 -
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Thankee muchly for the clarification
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.05.12 19:33:00 -
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no problems with a 4800 :[
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Nvali
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Posted - 2006.05.12 20:07:00 -
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Since patching and loading 'safe' defaults in my BIOS, my dual-core has played Eve fine. Before, it would Crash To Desktop.
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