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Christy D Floyd
Empire Investments Logistics
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Posted - 2014.04.13 11:40:00 -
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Whats the best way to get a one man corp war target to leave a station? I war dec this one man indy corp and now he doesn't undock. I guess im hurting his income somewhat because he cant mine but cmon man lets fight...... Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Anomena
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:01:00 -
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You're clearly looking for a gank and not a fight. If you are in fact looking for a fight then I can tell you that one man indy corps aren't exactly your target audience. All that aside, leaving the system is generally a pretty solid bet. |

Christy D Floyd
Empire Investments Logistics
161
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:04:00 -
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tried that as soon as I come back into the system he docks up btw we are a one man indy corp also so I would say its a fair fight and not a gank Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
709
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:10:00 -
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Anomena
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.04.13 12:27:00 -
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Well fair enough, if you have an out of corp alt you could always use it to create a warp in and catch your target with and inty. |

Percival Rose
Decima Security Axiom Initiative
20
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:36:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:tried that as soon as I come back into the system he docks up btw we are a one man indy corp also so I would say its a fair fight and not a gank
When they think it's a fight they won't win, they will not undock. Some people will stay docked up for weeks or just stop playing until the war ends.
When you really want to get someone, gank. Forget about fairness. It's overrated. Do you know who's going to inherit New Eden? Arms dealers. Because everyone else is too busy killing each other. |

Sadario
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
8
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:50:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:btw we are a one man indy corp also
Keyword highlighted.
Edit: Terribly so... |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
738
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:23:00 -
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wardec = no pvp, no pve.
if you want to kill him, just suicide gank him without wardec. |

PlatinumMercSEAL
Deep-Space Wraiths
10
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Posted - 2014.04.16 22:13:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:tried that as soon as I come back into the system he docks up btw we are a one man indy corp also so I would say its a fair fight and not a gank Have you tried using an interceptor? You can usually get to the belt before they warp, unless they are pre-aligned.
But seriously, if you want more action, try war dec'ing a larger corporation. Merc |

Sibyyl
389
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:55:00 -
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Massive sandbox, OP. Did you really have nothing better to do? Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |

Kathao Crendraven
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.04.19 21:29:00 -
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OP should consider trying some other aspects of PvP. Or actually trying PvP in general. -á |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2077
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Posted - 2014.04.20 02:24:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Whats the best way to get a one man corp war target to leave a station? I war dec this one man indy corp and now he doesn't undock. I guess im hurting his income somewhat because he cant mine but cmon man lets fight......
The solution is simple
If you want proper pvp, stop being bad and stop trying to get it in high sec. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
777
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Posted - 2014.04.23 21:01:00 -
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Hey Christy!
I love your face! It's awesome!
*sips pepperming tea*
Assuming you have an alt.
If you know his favourite spot to mine, log off there and have your alt wait.
This can take some time to work, because he'll probably be afk most of the time.
As soon as you see him warp to that belt, log in again.
In case he might get away, use your alt to bump him out of alignment to keep him from warping off.
This also works in case he's not in any predictable spot. Stay logged off for however long it takes.
Have your alt bump him out of alignment.
Catch him with your pretty face.
Please note that while frigates work, bigger and faster ships do harder bumps.
You might want to learn how to do it properly first, because it can be a bit tricky. Lots of ships out there to leran it on though.
Good luck! ################################
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
154
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Posted - 2014.04.24 00:51:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Whats the best way to get a one man corp war target to leave a station? I war dec this one man indy corp and now he doesn't undock. I guess im hurting his income somewhat because he cant mine but cmon man lets fight......
First,
war decking one man indy corps isnt likely to result in many kills.
Second,
Selection of targets is everything in high sec war decs. These tend to be boring anyway by their very nature but if you want any action at all you need to either find a corp with many active members who continue to do things despite being under threat of war or you need to find targets that want to undock and fight you.
Finding corps with many active members is easier to do. But finding corps that want to undock and fight (especially ones who are bad and inexperienced at pvp) are the funnest wars you will have in high sec.
So how do you find these corps? When i used to do high sec wars for my corp (years ago now) i used to look for special types of targets. Other griefers of course were good for wars. Other corps of can flippers (yeah i know the game mechanics have changed now). But my all time favorite way to find a good fight was to find corps with cool military sounding names or whose members all have cool military sounding ranks. Virtually any corp with USMC Force Recon Delta Force Seal Team or other similar things in their name often turn out to be the kind of folks who will undock and fight you regardless of the odds and regardless of whether they really should be undocking to fight you.
Ultimately if you want ganks you war dec the corps with large numbers of members and go hunting. If you want fights look for corps where you think you can find a good fight. |

Ding Bang Oww
Colony Of Destruction The Methodical Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.04.24 01:21:00 -
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Well once back when I was in Calmil I had this GalMil noob (even more so than me) holed up in a high-sec station. I waited right outside the station and said in chat: "Wow, who left all these hobgoblin II's out here? I wish I had the cargo space to collect them!" Not 10 seconds later he popped out of the station. Not like I killed him because I was a total noob with like 90 dps, but still, it might have worked if I was better pilot. |

Luwc
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
118
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Posted - 2014.04.24 06:35:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:tried that as soon as I come back into the system he docks up btw we are a one man indy corp also so I would say its a fair fight and not a gank
sounds a bit like a botter to me.
Get an alt with fraps running.
record how he is moving etc. etc.
bots have obv. patterns of movement and are usualy in a 1 man zero tax corp in empire space.
Fraps that ****. If he is a bot report him to CCP.
So you at least can really **** the dude off :p
http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |

Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.04.24 15:09:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Whats the best way to get a one man corp war target to leave a station? I war dec this one man indy corp and now he doesn't undock. I guess im hurting his income somewhat because he cant mine but cmon man lets fight......
Miners don't owe it to you to set themselves out in belts and let you shoot them all week because you spent a whole fifty million on a wardec. |

Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
163
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Posted - 2014.04.24 19:19:00 -
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Who cares now the main is in BNI and finding plenty of ifghts in HED or Sendaya 7o Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |

Aravis Endashi
Bijorn Mining And Exploration LTD
0
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Posted - 2014.04.24 21:05:00 -
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I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
753
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Posted - 2014.04.24 21:10:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
bye bye
i've been at war almost whole time from 2007 and it does not prevent me playing this game |

Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.04.24 21:33:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
It's a pretty dumb mechanic but when you post like this it makes me want to drop a character out of GoonWaffe for a little bit and see if I can wring any more tears out of the towel. |

Aravis Endashi
Bijorn Mining And Exploration LTD
0
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Posted - 2014.04.24 21:37:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
bye bye i've been at war almost whole time from 2007 and it does not prevent me playing this game
Thats wonderful, and I'll bet you have somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million skillpoints and you probly dwell in lowsec which means this post has nothing to do with you, since this thread has to do with high-sec. Maybe you should share your opinions elsewhere.... |

Aravis Endashi
Bijorn Mining And Exploration LTD
0
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Posted - 2014.04.24 21:39:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
It's a pretty dumb mechanic but when you post like this it makes me want to drop a character out of GoonWaffe for a little bit and see if I can wring any more tears out of the towel.
Nice, thanks for the understanding. It's nice to know the people in Eve are so sweet.....? |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
753
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Posted - 2014.04.24 21:46:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
bye bye i've been at war almost whole time from 2007 and it does not prevent me playing this game Thats wonderful, and I'll bet you have somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million skillpoints and you probly dwell in lowsec which means this post has nothing to do with you, since this thread has to do with high-sec. Maybe you should share your opinions elsewhere....
back in 2007 i was low skill point char too so i sure can give my opinions even now. |

Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.04.24 22:02:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
It's a pretty dumb mechanic but when you post like this it makes me want to drop a character out of GoonWaffe for a little bit and see if I can wring any more tears out of the towel. Nice, thanks for the understanding. It's nice to know the people in Eve are so sweet.....?
EVE is unique in that it's a game that allows and often encourages players to be assholes to each other for little or no cause. As an industrialist, getting random wars declared on you by people who want to farm your miners is going to be fact of life, and there is no shortage of people who will blow you up in hisec without even bothering to go through that formality.
You have two choices:
1. Quit. If playing in this kind of environment isn't something you want to do, then EVE is probably going to be a stressful experience that culminates with you getting half your net worth blown up in one ratting ship / overstuffed hauler and ragequitting.
2. Adapt. EVE is worthwhile as an MMO primarily because of the unrestrained consequences of player interaction. Learn the steps you can take to protect yourself (they exist), and learn how to exploit people who don't for your own advantage. |

B Raan
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.04.24 22:27:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
It's a pretty dumb mechanic but when you post like this it makes me want to drop a character out of GoonWaffe for a little bit and see if I can wring any more tears out of the towel. Nice, thanks for the understanding. It's nice to know the people in Eve are so sweet.....? EVE is unique in that it's a game that allows and often encourages players to be assholes to each other for little or no cause. As an industrialist, getting random wars declared on you by people who want to farm your miners is going to be fact of life, and there is no shortage of people who will blow you up in hisec without even bothering to go through that formality. You have two choices: 1. Quit. If playing in this kind of environment isn't something you want to do, then EVE is probably going to be a stressful experience that culminates with you getting half your net worth blown up in one ratting ship / overstuffed hauler and ragequitting. 2. Adapt. EVE is worthwhile as an MMO primarily because of the unrestrained consequences of player interaction. Learn the steps you can take to protect yourself (they exist), and learn how to exploit people who don't for your own advantage.
I dont think it encourages people to be assholes. People who are like that are just like that, either because of thier own insecurities or elitist attitudes. EVE doesnt stop you from being an ******* if that is what you are though.
And I know there is no shortage of people out there who will randomly declare war on you, but not all of them are the aforementioned assholes.
That said, the best way to get somebody to leave a station is to gain thier trust, not trick them in some clever way. Offer them help, and teach them how to do something. Boost thier confidence, gain thier trust and then exploit it. Its not an easy or fast gank, but if you want to be an ass to someone that badly, it may work for you! |

Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
28
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Posted - 2014.05.03 00:36:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
I find it interesting you have this opinion. Lets make some comparisons
Carebears make their isk from shooting non-threatening rocks/NPCS consistantly with no danger Mercs make their isk actively tracking and hunting players that have the ability to fight back
(This assumes these people aren't just camping trade hubs, which if they do they are no real threat)
Why is my way of playing the game less valid then yours simply because you do not want to learn the game and defend yourself? There is NO excuse for carebears not learning to pvp. If you cannot defend yourself or your assets in EvE you have no right to have them.
If every 20, 30, or 40man mission/indy corp trained their members to pvp then you would be a hell of a lot safer. Learn the damn game instead of complaining, or leave. |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Heiian Conglomerate
767
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Posted - 2014.05.03 06:38:00 -
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stupid forums lost my post so never mind. |

Nadezda Morozovovna
X-Prot Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
16
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Posted - 2014.05.07 12:41:00 -
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To OP: I suggest to logoff toon in faster-warp rigged inty in the next sytem and then just jump and warp with neut alt.. hell ive catched few ventures like this
And off topic, hs wars are cool, as a person who tried almost everything in eve, im now enjoying hs wars against newbies in hs, good talks on ts with friends, wts provides more tears than newborn with lemon and in the end of the day, i spend most of my eve time travelling around and chatting and actuall shooting is just the bonus..and be honest, most of us play it because of the ppl, not because eve is THAT awesome
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2103
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:09:00 -
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I started pvping with about 3-5 million sp, can i talk?
High sec pvp is awful, even at low sp, stop being bad, you will have more fun, more commas. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Catalytic morphisis
Rock Huggers Inc The Pears of Anguish
9
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Posted - 2014.05.15 15:48:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
All about the tears, And with your comments I would say that the aggressors are getting their wish granted. Hell I'm even considering putting in a war on you now for the laugh.
But in all seriousness, High-Sec PvP in eve isn't dead, Its just most people are too lazy to look for it. War decs provide me many a kill
Edit: Either the above or they do the typical **** of camping a poor 1 man in station, If he's an indy character he is blatantly going to avoid conflict so the "Camping and asking them to fight" method is flawed to such a point only true morons would actually do it, Unless of course you're getting paid to do it |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
409
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:24:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
I feal your pain, what you need to do is move your main characters into a NPC corp and then leave alts to manage your corp stuff, create a channel for your players so you can continue to work together.
A lot of people say fight them, and if you do then do the annoying thing, get a lot of your toons in ECM and Sensor damping boats so they hate fighting you.
Also operate in multiple regions, so you can jump clone way away from them, Solitude annoys a lot of hisec war deccers, if you are a bit more adventerous, find a nice low sec or 0.0 NPC area and hang around there. Keep doing that and war decs will be a thing of the past. Don't be a turd and follow the herd Instead be a Hero at Hub Zero |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
551
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Posted - 2014.05.17 06:42:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
Alice and Bob sit down to play a game of Monopoly. Alice utilizes the rules of the game to purchase properties she lands on, and, eventually, to throw up houses and hotels on those properties.
Bob just rolls the dice, does laps around the board, and collects his $200 and the occasional community chest/chance card as he goes. Eventually Bob realizes that about the best thing that can happen to him is landing on the "Go To Jail" square - anywhere else he lands is going to cost him a fortune. Bob flips over the board in a huff, and heads to the Monopoly forums to lodge a complaint, something to the effect of:
Bob wrote: I don't understand how other players can get away with litaroly working the board over till every other play quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend $2000 a lap buying properties because we have nothing better and see how many players we can make quit because we're an idiot and don't like fair games. Good way to ruin it. I can't even visit the lustrous Boardwalk property without paying a fortune! Alice isn't accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game..."
Ridiculous, right? If you quit the game because you don't like being wardecced, it's not because someone chased you out of the game - it's because you don't actually LIKE the game in the first place. You like maybe 5-10% of the game, and only when you can experience that fraction of the game without outside interference. The thing is, nothing in Eve transpires in a vacuum (cue space jokes!). You want to think that your purely industrial activities are harmless to other players, but they're not. You're a competitor in a marketplace. Every bit of ore you're prevented from mining means quicker sales and better prices for someone else who can capitalize on the fact that you're no longer supplying the market. Every ship of yours that's destroyed means new demand for replacement ships, and the materials that went into them.
You're effectively asserting that YOU should be allowed to interfere with other players by way of the market and mining game mechanics, but other players should not be allowed to interfere with you by way of the combat and wardec mechanics - an obviously hypocritical position that at best will get you nowhere, and at worst will earn you a few new spite wardecs purely because that level of hypocrisy tends to rile people up.
So, you have two options:
1. You can quit, yes. Understand, though, that you didn't quit because some other player made you - you quit because you don't actually like the game as a whole.
2. You can start actually playing the game as a whole, instead of trying to play 5% of it and getting miffed when other people engage in the other 95% that you dislike. There are a thousand and one ways you could do this, including but not limited to:
-Dodging the wardec by bailing to an NPC corp. Not a particularly sexy solution, but it's there. -Hiring mercenaries to take the fight to them. -Relocating to a different area, possibly even going to low sec, null sec, or wormhole space. -Joining with a larger corp that might be able to defend you or, at least, offer some guidance on defending yourself.
And, possibly best:
Fitting up some combat ships and fighting back! It looks like you tried, but you chose poorly in using large, poorly fit, expensive battleships when you should have been using cheap, well fit frigates and cruisers. Call it a learning experience and do better next time. Consider joining a different corp where you can actually learn from more experience players before setting off on your own, as well. |

Catalytic morphisis
Rock Huggers Inc The Pears of Anguish
9
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Posted - 2014.05.18 06:06:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
Alice and Bob sit down to play a game of Monopoly. Alice utilizes the rules of the game to purchase properties she lands on, and, eventually, to throw up houses and hotels on those properties. Bob just rolls the dice, does laps around the board, and collects his $200 and the occasional community chest/chance card as he goes. Eventually Bob realizes that about the best thing that can happen to him is landing on the "Go To Jail" square - anywhere else he lands is going to cost him a fortune. Bob flips over the board in a huff, and heads to the Monopoly forums to lodge a complaint, something to the effect of: Bob wrote: I don't understand how other players can get away with litaroly working the board over till every other play quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend $2000 a lap buying properties because we have nothing better and see how many players we can make quit because we're an idiot and don't like fair games. Good way to ruin it. I can't even visit the lustrous Boardwalk property without paying a fortune! Alice isn't accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game..."
Ridiculous, right? If you quit the game because you don't like being wardecced, it's not because someone chased you out of the game - it's because you don't actually LIKE the game in the first place. You like maybe 5-10% of the game, and only when you can experience that fraction of the game without outside interference. The thing is, nothing in Eve transpires in a vacuum (cue space jokes!). You want to think that your purely industrial activities are harmless to other players, but they're not. You're a competitor in a marketplace. Every bit of ore you're prevented from mining means quicker sales and better prices for someone else who can capitalize on the fact that you're no longer supplying the market. Every ship of yours that's destroyed means new demand for replacement ships, and the materials that went into them. You're effectively asserting that YOU should be allowed to interfere with other players by way of the market and mining game mechanics, but other players should not be allowed to interfere with you by way of the combat and wardec mechanics - an obviously hypocritical position that at best will get you nowhere, and at worst will earn you a few new spite wardecs purely because that level of hypocrisy tends to rile people up. So, you have two options: 1. You can quit, yes. Understand, though, that you didn't quit because some other player made you - you quit because you don't actually like the game as a whole. 2. You can start actually playing the game as a whole, instead of trying to play 5% of it and getting miffed when other people engage in the other 95% that you dislike. There are a thousand and one ways you could do this, including but not limited to: -Dodging the wardec by bailing to an NPC corp. Not a particularly sexy solution, but it's there. -Hiring mercenaries to take the fight to them. -Relocating to a different area, possibly even going to low sec, null sec, or wormhole space. -Joining with a larger corp that might be able to defend you or, at least, offer some guidance on defending yourself. And, possibly best: Fitting up some combat ships and fighting back! It looks like you tried, but you chose poorly in using large, poorly fit, expensive battleships when you should have been using cheap, well fit frigates and cruisers. Call it a learning experience and do better next time. Consider joining a different corp where you can actually learn from more experienced players before setting off on your own, as well.
Completely accurate! |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:54:00 -
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Christy D Floyd wrote:Whats the best way to get a one man corp war target to leave a station? I war dec this one man indy corp and now he doesn't undock. I guess im hurting his income somewhat because he cant mine but cmon man lets fight......
Dotn stay with your main at same system he is IN For starters. Waht him with an alt and follow. Try to get him in a system without a station. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1386
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Posted - 2014.05.22 10:58:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
Congrats you just got a free wardec. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Futune Circinus
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
15
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Posted - 2014.05.23 21:44:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
Alice and Bob sit down to play a game of Monopoly. Alice utilizes the rules of the game to purchase properties she lands on, and, eventually, to throw up houses and hotels on those properties. Bob just rolls the dice, does laps around the board, and collects his $200 and the occasional community chest/chance card as he goes. Eventually Bob realizes that about the best thing that can happen to him is landing on the "Go To Jail" square - anywhere else he lands is going to cost him a fortune. Bob flips over the board in a huff, and heads to the Monopoly forums to lodge a complaint, something to the effect of: Bob wrote: I don't understand how other players can get away with litaroly working the board over till every other play quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend $2000 a lap buying properties because we have nothing better and see how many players we can make quit because we're an idiot and don't like fair games. Good way to ruin it. I can't even visit the lustrous Boardwalk property without paying a fortune! Alice isn't accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game..."
Ridiculous, right? If you quit the game because you don't like being wardecced, it's not because someone chased you out of the game - it's because you don't actually LIKE the game in the first place. You like maybe 5-10% of the game, and only when you can experience that fraction of the game without outside interference. The thing is, nothing in Eve transpires in a vacuum (cue space jokes!). You want to think that your purely industrial activities are harmless to other players, but they're not. You're a competitor in a marketplace. Every bit of ore you're prevented from mining means quicker sales and better prices for someone else who can capitalize on the fact that you're no longer supplying the market. Every ship of yours that's destroyed means new demand for replacement ships, and the materials that went into them. You're effectively asserting that YOU should be allowed to interfere with other players by way of the market and mining game mechanics, but other players should not be allowed to interfere with you by way of the combat and wardec mechanics - an obviously hypocritical position that at best will get you nowhere, and at worst will earn you a few new spite wardecs purely because that level of hypocrisy tends to rile people up. So, you have two options: 1. You can quit, yes. Understand, though, that you didn't quit because some other player made you - you quit because you don't actually like the game as a whole. 2. You can start actually playing the game as a whole, instead of trying to play 5% of it and getting miffed when other people engage in the other 95% that you dislike. There are a thousand and one ways you could do this, including but not limited to: -Dodging the wardec by bailing to an NPC corp. Not a particularly sexy solution, but it's there. -Hiring mercenaries to take the fight to them. -Relocating to a different area, possibly even going to low sec, null sec, or wormhole space. -Joining with a larger corp that might be able to defend you or, at least, offer some guidance on defending yourself. And, possibly best: Fitting up some combat ships and fighting back! It looks like you tried, but you chose poorly in using large, poorly fit, expensive battleships when you should have been using cheap, well fit frigates and cruisers. Call it a learning experience and do better next time. Consider joining a different corp where you can actually learn from more experienced players before setting off on your own, as well.
Well said, makes me wish forum posts weren't buried in nonsense within a few hours. Quoting it so maybe a few more will see it! |

Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated McMorris and Associates
1222
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Posted - 2014.06.02 14:29:00 -
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What you could do is use a neutral alt flying an innocuous Venture scout around the system and find a place he's mining at.
Then you have your wardec toon warp to that belt and log off.
Wait a bit for him to get back into the belt and feeling comfortable... log in and hope he doesn't warp out in the 5-10 seconds it takes to land on grid and go loud. This is-á a signature. |

Chick Sauce
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.02 21:51:00 -
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Percival Rose wrote:Christy D Floyd wrote:tried that as soon as I come back into the system he docks up btw we are a one man indy corp also so I would say its a fair fight and not a gank When you really want to get someone, gank. Forget about fairness. It's overrated. Exactly. Had an issue with a miner and I wardecced him. It ended up serving as a warning and he has since switched into Procurers to mine.
If only I had gone for a suicide gank instead, his Coveter would be dead right now.
OP: If you are starting a high-sec industrial corporation in EVE Online, the characters in the corporation should be diplomatic alts of the ISK makers. Your miners, mission runners and the like should be out of corp. The only exception is if you are willing to stop PVEing entirely for the sake of PVPing.
People fail to understand this, that is the problem. |

Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
3924
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:20:00 -
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Aravis Endashi wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Aravis Endashi wrote:I dont understand how mercenary corps can get away with litaroly working a corp over till everyone in the defendent corp quits playing. Wow, really accomplishing something there. Lets spend 50 thousand a week because we have nothing better and see how many subs we can make cancel because we're an idiot and dont like fair fights. Good way to to ruin it. My corp is now going on its forth war extention Sunday Im sure. We cant mine, cant haul, cant hardly go out of station or anything and people are dropping out like crazy. There not accomplishing anything except chasing people out of the game...
bye bye i've been at war almost whole time from 2007 and it does not prevent me playing this game Thats wonderful, and I'll bet you have somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 million skillpoints and you probly dwell in lowsec which means this post has nothing to do with you, since this thread has to do with high-sec. Maybe you should share your opinions elsewhere....
Thank you for making your corp and alliance known to me. I will add you to my wardec list for a war soon. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |

Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
224
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:48:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:What you could do is use a neutral alt flying an innocuous Venture scout around the system and find a place he's mining at.
Then you have your wardec toon warp to that belt and log off.
Wait a bit for him to get back into the belt and feeling comfortable... log in and hope he doesn't warp out in the 5-10 seconds it takes to land on grid and go loud.
Neutral alt can be used to bump the target out of alignment. Or for a suicide scramble (in sec 0.5 it can take up to 30 sec for CONCORD to some and pop you) Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |

Count Nooblianos
The Free Masons Corporation
0
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Posted - 2014.06.05 08:53:00 -
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Aravis Endashi the simple truth is that security is an illusion. You are either the predator or the prey, so your choices are to run away or grow fangs and fight back. The best way to stop wardecs is to make it hurt to wardec you, just like with any bully they just want easy targets so stop crying and go make their life hard. |
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