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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:44:00 -
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I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.
I already dislike the idea of subscription games. Eve is the only game thats made me cave in and pay monthly. I would consider 15 a month tops. That is close to 200 dollars a year for a videogame. I could afford a couple more accounts, however i chose not to.
The only reason i have alt accounts is because i can fund them with PLEX. However, this is going out the door fast, and will only result in lost subscriptions for CCP. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:47:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.
I already dislike the idea of subscription games. Eve is the only game thats made me cave in and pay monthly. I would consider 15 a month tops. That is close to 200 dollars a year for a videogame. I could afford a couple more accounts, however i chose not to.
The only reason i have alt accounts is because i can fund them with PLEX. However, this is going out the door fast, and will only result in lost subscriptions for CCP.
Indeed .. i am already down to two, and soon just i remain |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:49:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:500m? lol i guess im taking a break from this game =P
between CCP's raising plex prices and their pvp nerfs, i dont know why im still here
We are sorry that you are not happy with your experience and shall be struck into a deep depression at the loss of a fine pilot such as yourself.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:53:00 -
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Someone (or alliance) can just keep buying the cheapest sell orders and selling them a bit higher, anything below their price point, buy and put at it.
I would not be surprised if a coalition is behind this. Ideas and CSM stuff -áNo matter the changes, high sec people don't want to be in null sec with its players. EVE, like intercourse, you do a lot of work and buying expensive things - only to have a few minutes of excitement. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
56
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:55:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.
Why? How much do you play and how much will it compare to other activities in $/h. I burn $50 easily on quality beer one night out with my friends.
Disclaimer: I currently only pay for one account with Gé¼ but could afford more if I wanted too.
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
98
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:08:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO. Why? How much do you play and how much will it compare to other activities in $/h. I burn $50 easily on quality beer one night out with my friends. Disclaimer: I currently only pay for one account with Gé¼ but could afford more if I wanted too.
Sorry but if you pay over 50 dollars monthly for the same videogame? You are extremely irresponsible with your money |
Jita Alt666
539
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:18:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Lexmana wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO. Why? How much do you play and how much will it compare to other activities in $/h. I burn $50 easily on quality beer one night out with my friends. Disclaimer: I currently only pay for one account with Gé¼ but could afford more if I wanted too. Sorry but if you pay over 50 dollars monthly for the same videogame? You are extremely irresponsible with your money
If you have an entertainment budget, of say $250 per month, and you stick to that budget, you are responsible with money. How you spend that budget is completely up to you.
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:49:00 -
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I've already canceled a couple accounts over these asinine prices. I figure by the end of the month this will be only account I keep open then by end of December swtor will be out and that will drive the final nail in my eve coffin. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
41
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:56:00 -
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Came trying to sympathize with people upset they can't fund their fourth alt with plex; left disappointed. |
XavierVE
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:03:00 -
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SWTOR is to EVE what rabbits are to airplanes, little one.
As for the rest of you, welcome to capitalism and the free market. Deal with it, you don't have a "right" to 320 million plex just as I don't have a right to sub-100 million isk recon ships.
Suck it up. |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
374
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:04:00 -
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If you look the amount of daily plex trading in 1 year market history, the demand has not been rising too much.
Either there is some severe market manipulation going on or the supply has dropped dramatically over past few months.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - wouldn't be the 1st time.
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:14:00 -
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XavierVE wrote:SWTOR is to EVE what rabbits are to airplanes, little one.
Thanks for that, captain obvious. However, I was not having a debate about game mechanics. It was simply a statement that by that time another game will be out that is interest to me. Work on your reading comprehension. |
Jita Alt666
539
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:15:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:If you look the amount of daily plex trading in 1 year market history, the demand has not been rising too much.
Either there is some severe market manipulation going on or the supply has dropped dramatically over past few months.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - wouldn't be the 1st time.
I partially concur with your view: something is strangling supply. If this were purely manipulation we would have seen a lift in sales. Perhaps we did during the Incarna drama - and it was controlled to maintain sales levels at pre Incarna rates. The effort and isk supply to do that extended for 6 months is pretty heavy.
Edit: sells have dropped to 486 over last 3 hours. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
374
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:22:00 -
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I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.
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Jita Alt666
539
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:52:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.
For some people refusing to buy equals inability to play. The balance will be when is the grind for the majority of plexers no longer worth the ability to log on.
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Barakkus
1086
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:56:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.
I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370. |
Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:00:00 -
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I pay for my sub now. Not worth the hassle to raise that amount of ISK when you could be doing something fun and that you enjoy. Feel sorry for those with multiple alts...kinda |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
67
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:10:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win. I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370.
I haven't bought any since 350, and i won't pay more than 360, main or not.
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Barakkus
1086
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:12:00 -
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Famble wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote: You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?
I always find myself saying this to myself too. I don't get it.
Things sometimes happen in the current economic climate in the world that makes things a little harder...like taking pay cuts so deep you have to start making cuts in just about every aspect of your life to stay afloat...not everyone has money coming out of their asses you know. |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:17:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Famble wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote: You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?
I always find myself saying this to myself too. I don't get it. Things sometimes happen in the current economic climate in the world that makes things a little harder...like taking pay cuts so deep you have to start making cuts in just about every aspect of your life to stay afloat...not everyone has money coming out of their asses you know.
I realize that. I'm not a rich man, I guess I just sound like it cause I can dump $30/month on my video game budget.
Anyhoo, if I'm needed I'll be in the study sipping brandy and smoking a cigar next to the fire... (I'm actually in the garage smoking a Camel with a crappy space heater) |
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
375
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:21:00 -
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Yep...
I'm going to fund my accounts rather with Gé¼uro subscription than buy plex worth more than 400m. It's not that I couldn't afford to play with isk, but the isk vs time ratio starts to go wrong.
One rather reliable way to convert iskies to time is to calculate how long you would have to mine in hisec to gain enough basic minerals to fund 30 days worth of game time. Hisec mineral prices should reflect the global eve economy rather well and are not too easy to manipulate over short term.
I've come to conclusion that 350m is pretty much the limit where plex should ever go with current mineral prices. 400m is definately the cap.
Obviously people have many methods of obtaining isk and some make more in a day than others make in years. However it all still boils to the question: would you buy 1Gé¼ bottle of milk with 10Gé¼ just because someone else thinks you can afford it?
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
77
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:34:00 -
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People stopped selling PLEX to buy super caps with the incoming winter nerf.
Also when people stopped playing as happened since Incarna, not many new PLEX were added to the market, after all why invest real money in a game that appears to be dying? What we see now is simply people using up the massive stockpiles already in game.
Prices should be back to more normal levels a month or two after the winter expansion when everyone is happy again and people want to invest money in space pixels once again. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |
Michelle Vega
METR0P0LIS
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:38:00 -
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We (as a corp) don't see any reason to put prices for Plex higher. We've been selling Plex to our customers (40+/month) for 369m all of this year and have no intent of increasing prices unless RL prices for GTC go up.
Seems like a new Jita Cartel Scam to try for easy profits. GL with that. Metr0p0lis - - The CIA of EVE |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
40
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:41:00 -
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Some good speculation on the causes here but I don't think it's possible for us to say with certainty unless CCP gives us a report on how many plex's are being bought. Anyways, I've been covering 2 accounts wtih plex's for a years. I could pay the $30 a month to keep them going but why bother when I can just grind that in an hour or two. Yes I make more IRL on a per hour basis but I grind that isk to kill time while waiting for something more interesting to happen. In effect, it's an alternative to station spinning.
All that said, plex prices are getting pretty harsh. I can still afford them but my casual isk grinding is starting to feel a little grindy. So I may take a break for a few months. Skyrim and BF3 are certainly consuming a lot of my time lately. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
375
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:41:00 -
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Would be nice to see some actual ccp statistics about real world currency plex purchases from past year.
In other words how many new plex is going to the game and has there been such great variation than some are suggesting.
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rufeno
Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium
20
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:16:00 -
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Carlos Aranda wrote: maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?
and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?
you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money?
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Major Templar
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:44:00 -
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Sadly this will end my Eve gaming life. I can't afford to pay RL for this game and with the current trend in prices I can't afford to pay In-Game either.
I will resub in a few months to a year when I can actually find a job in RL. |
Jak'rat
Lion Investments
3
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:59:00 -
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rufeno wrote:Carlos Aranda wrote: maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?
and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?
you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money?
No, a lot of people really do not understand this. |
KaarBaak
147
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:09:00 -
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While it's a little far-fetched to expect CCP to release numbers, it might be possible to hear from GTC resellers like BC and SC to hear how sales are going. I think a lot of the PLEX that are sold for isk (rather than redeemed by the purchaser) are created via GTC. A decline in GTC sales might indicate the lower supply of PLEX.
If anyone from those sites is willing to pass along that info, I'd be curious.
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rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:15:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:People stopped selling PLEX to buy super caps with the incoming winter nerf.
I really like that viewpoint. As with that nerf players dont have a really big goal anymore to work towards. I mean the T3 BC are only like 30-50mill or something and with that nerf no more excitement of going big and doing well and selling plexes are worth it. CCP could launch huge star bases for corps that cost alot of isk. Then maybe rich megacorps might start selling plex again to the market. Players just need some ambition then it might get better, but not sure what the biggest goal is now with the supers nerf. |
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