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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:04:00 -
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Ladies and Gentleman, Plex prices are sitting on 499 sells in Jita. Who will be the first to buy for 500mil? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1137
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:08:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Ladies and Gentleman, Plex prices are sitting on 499 sells in Jita. Who will be the first to buy for 500mil?
Let's get that sucker to 600, which is the price point where I just work a Sunday and buy 5 GTCs with the money to sell for ISK.
Come on scrubs, break open that wallet! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
120
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:09:00 -
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Congratulations !!! :D
Right in time before the winter expansion.
Working as intended. :) |

Jita Alt666
537
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Ladies and Gentleman, Plex prices are sitting on 499 sells in Jita. Who will be the first to buy for 500mil? Let's get that sucker to 600, which is the price point where I just work a Sunday and buy 5 GTCs with the money to sell for ISK. Come on scrubs, break open that wallet!
So what are you trying to do that is worth working 1 day a week to spend on Internet spaceships?
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Tokougawa
Triton Research Illuminati.
40
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:12:00 -
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Yes, I hope they keep rising :) :) :) :) :) Looking for a Corp?Triton Research |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
308
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:17:00 -
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For some they can stop paying and stop playing the demands will drop and the prices will have to follow them its going to flux in an out at but the question is where is the center of this teeter totter?
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
135
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:17:00 -
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Scenario:
CCP Fixes null.
bittervets come back, newer players resub, but everyone broke from floating on PLEX since "Fearless" riots in wait&see; end if: ccp-fixes-game.exe
Players accustomed to living large buy PLEX to fund new startups
PLEX comes back down in ISK terms.
Were I to look at this from an investment standpoint, I'd be buying PLEX for isk sale now.
Guess we'll see... All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |

Jita Alt666
538
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:20:00 -
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Counter. CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.
Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks. |

Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
96
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:21:00 -
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500m? lol i guess im taking a break from this game =P
between CCP's raising plex prices and their pvp nerfs, i dont know why im still here |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:21:00 -
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well... lets calculate how much now NeX items costs in ISK... XD |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:23:00 -
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The winter expansion is looking so good right now that I am not surprised anymore how high it is skyrocketing.
Tho seriously they need to change incursions to remove the isk faucet that is really affecting Plex over time. |

Jita Alt666
538
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:25:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:well... lets calculate how much now NeX items costs in ISK... XD
Edited: Literally 3500aurum = 50million 50million = 1/10th of a plex 1 plex = 3500 aurum
If this rebalances there are huge profit opportunities. Wow I rechecked - 4500 aura items have tanked from 100milish to 50millish (if that) |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Blazing Angels Alliance
113
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:27:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The winter expansion is looking so good right now that I am not surprised anymore how high it is skyrocketing.
Tho seriously they need to change incursions to remove the isk faucet that is really affecting Plex over time.
NUMBERS! I demand proof and numbers and data and knowledge, evidence, something! Not empty rumors flying around the planet. Not just incursion isk generated numbers I want numbers of the EVE economy, pilots, plex, subscription EVERYTHING.
And then I will smash your little implant filled clone into the hull of my ship repeatedly and fly around with blood stained engine trails.
Yes I am mad, because ignorant pilots deem the fault of rising PLEX prices on such a small minority. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
135
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:27:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Counter. CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.
Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks.
Not bad.... could be.... you might be right. I guess I don't know anyone putting that much cash into PLEX. I have a feeling though that it's simply a want/$$ equation, and maybe CCP will put in more things people want. ...but yah I could be wrong.
Terminal Insanity wrote:500m? lol i guess im taking a break from this game =P
between CCP's raising plex prices and their pvp nerfs, i dont know why im still here
Me either. If you can't afford to play you can't afford to play. Can I haz your stuff?
I'm kicking myself right now for not buying a ton of PLEX for 350mil when last I did... 
...woulda been a real savy investment. Doe! All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |

Abrazzar
333
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:28:00 -
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It's just goons using their internal knowledge of future development to cash in on the rising PLEX prices as they already know how awesome the winter expansion will be and a large amount of resubs are expected. *tinfoil* Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |

Rassad
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:29:00 -
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The higher Plex prices go, the bigger the smile on my face gets.  
I buy 15 Plex's each Christmas, and this year it will get me 7 BILLION ISK. yummy
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Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:30:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:500m? lol i guess im taking a break from this game =P
between CCP's raising plex prices and their pvp nerfs, i dont know why im still here
Hai Terminal Insanity!
You be Trollin' I be respondin'
[ ] - U mad? [X] - Can I haz your stuffz? [X] - Troll, 2/10 [ ] - Who would _____ someone with a name like _____ [ ] - WOW is that way ====> [ ] - Haters gonna hate
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:30:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:well... lets calculate how much now NeX items costs in ISK... XD Literally 4500aurum = 100million 100million = 1/5th of a plex 1 plex = 4500 aurum If this rebalances there are huge profit opportunities.
isnt 1 PLEX = 3500 aur??? then follows... 1 PLEX = 500 mill ISK 1 cheapest boots are 1000 aur so 1 boots are 143 mil ISK
well i like it... ill sell my items that i bought... :) |

Carlos Aranda
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:31:00 -
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maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?
and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know? |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration
135
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:32:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:It's just goons using their internal knowledge of future development to cash in on the rising PLEX prices as they already know how awesome the winter expansion will be and a large amount of resubs are expected. *tinfoil* Most reasonable explanation so far ^ All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |

BLACK-STAR
222
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:32:00 -
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so PLEX horders want to make additional 200+m off desperate ppl. and push it further yet.
so why buy and abide their greedy games? Don't buy PLEX for isk unless you can afford the ridiculous prices. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

Jita Alt666
538
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:35:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:well... lets calculate how much now NeX items costs in ISK... XD Literally 4500aurum = 100million 100million = 1/5th of a plex 1 plex = 4500 aurum If this rebalances there are huge profit opportunities. isnt 1 PLEX = 3500 aur??? then follows... 1 PLEX = 500 mill ISK 1 cheapest boots are 1000 aur so 1 boots are 143 mil ISK well i like it... ill sell my items that i bought... :)
Yeah your right - show how much thought I have put into investing in NeX items.
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Jita Alt666
538
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Posted - 2011.11.14 20:37:00 -
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BLACK-STAR wrote:so PLEX horders want to make additional 200+m off desperate ppl. and push it further yet.
so why buy and abide their greedy games? Don't buy PLEX for isk unless you can afford the ridiculous prices.
Supply and Demand.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
46
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:02:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:so PLEX horders want to make additional 200+m off desperate ppl. and push it further yet.
so why buy and abide their greedy games? Don't buy PLEX for isk unless you can afford the ridiculous prices. Supply and Demand.
It may be supply and demand. Only thing that drives the Eve economy is supply/demand , and speculation, which is just a derivative of the other 2.
But it does not change the fact that some of us may be in dire straits. I cannot afford to pay for the game with real world currency, and have paid for my accounts with in game plexes for over a year on my 2 accounts. Given the current price increase trend, I may simply not be able to afford to play the game soon.
It is truly Adam Smith's version of economics.
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
130
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:04:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:so PLEX horders want to make additional 200+m off desperate ppl. and push it further yet.
so why buy and abide their greedy games? Don't buy PLEX for isk unless you can afford the ridiculous prices. Supply and Demand. It may be supply and demand. Only thing that drives the Eve economy is supply/demand , and speculation, which is just a derivative of the other 2. But it does not change the fact that some of us may be in dire straits. I cannot afford to pay for the game with real world currency, and have paid for my accounts with in game plexes for over a year on my 2 accounts. Given the current price increase trend, I may simply not be able to afford to play the game soon. It is truly Adam Smith's version of economics.
You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk? I live, I post, I slay. I am content. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:05:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Ladies and Gentleman, Plex prices are sitting on 499 sells in Jita. Who will be the first to buy for 500mil? Let's get that sucker to 600, which is the price point where I just work a Sunday and buy 5 GTCs with the money to sell for ISK. Come on scrubs, break open that wallet! So what are you trying to do that is worth working 1 day a week to spend on Internet spaceships?
well you already work 7 months out of year to live in "modern society"
several 100s years ago you worked 1 month out of 10 to live in "society" |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
46
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:10:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:so PLEX horders want to make additional 200+m off desperate ppl. and push it further yet.
so why buy and abide their greedy games? Don't buy PLEX for isk unless you can afford the ridiculous prices. Supply and Demand. It may be supply and demand. Only thing that drives the Eve economy is supply/demand , and speculation, which is just a derivative of the other 2. But it does not change the fact that some of us may be in dire straits. I cannot afford to pay for the game with real world currency, and have paid for my accounts with in game plexes for over a year on my 2 accounts. Given the current price increase trend, I may simply not be able to afford to play the game soon. It is truly Adam Smith's version of economics. You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?
I am not going to discuss my personal life in an open forum, but the short answer is yes.
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Famble
Three's a Crowd
40
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:10:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote: You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?
I always find myself saying this to myself too. I don't get it. |

Jita Alt666
539
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:13:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:so PLEX horders want to make additional 200+m off desperate ppl. and push it further yet.
so why buy and abide their greedy games? Don't buy PLEX for isk unless you can afford the ridiculous prices. Supply and Demand. It may be supply and demand. Only thing that drives the Eve economy is supply/demand , and speculation, which is just a derivative of the other 2. But it does not change the fact that some of us may be in dire straits. I cannot afford to pay for the game with real world currency, and have paid for my accounts with in game plexes for over a year on my 2 accounts. Given the current price increase trend, I may simply not be able to afford to play the game soon. It is truly Adam Smith's version of economics.
Sell an alt. Buy a bunch of plex. Keep playing on other alts. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
140
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:35:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:BLACK-STAR wrote:so PLEX horders want to make additional 200+m off desperate ppl. and push it further yet.
so why buy and abide their greedy games? Don't buy PLEX for isk unless you can afford the ridiculous prices. Supply and Demand. It may be supply and demand. Only thing that drives the Eve economy is supply/demand , and speculation, which is just a derivative of the other 2. But it does not change the fact that some of us may be in dire straits. I cannot afford to pay for the game with real world currency, and have paid for my accounts with in game plexes for over a year on my 2 accounts. Given the current price increase trend, I may simply not be able to afford to play the game soon. It is truly Adam Smith's version of economics. You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?
Hes not alone. Our CEO is retired and his wife refuses to allow any money to be spent on a silly internet spaceship game. Fortunately he likes making isk and makes 6 to 10 billion a month. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |

Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
98
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:44:00 -
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I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.
I already dislike the idea of subscription games. Eve is the only game thats made me cave in and pay monthly. I would consider 15 a month tops. That is close to 200 dollars a year for a videogame. I could afford a couple more accounts, however i chose not to.
The only reason i have alt accounts is because i can fund them with PLEX. However, this is going out the door fast, and will only result in lost subscriptions for CCP. |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:47:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.
I already dislike the idea of subscription games. Eve is the only game thats made me cave in and pay monthly. I would consider 15 a month tops. That is close to 200 dollars a year for a videogame. I could afford a couple more accounts, however i chose not to.
The only reason i have alt accounts is because i can fund them with PLEX. However, this is going out the door fast, and will only result in lost subscriptions for CCP.
Indeed .. i am already down to two, and soon just i remain  |

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
39
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:49:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:500m? lol i guess im taking a break from this game =P
between CCP's raising plex prices and their pvp nerfs, i dont know why im still here
We are sorry that you are not happy with your experience and shall be struck into a deep depression at the loss of a fine pilot such as yourself.
Wouldn't you like to be my little PWNEE? |

Jenshae Chiroptera
186
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:53:00 -
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Someone (or alliance) can just keep buying the cheapest sell orders and selling them a bit higher, anything below their price point, buy and put at it.
I would not be surprised if a coalition is behind this. Ideas and CSM stuff -áNo matter the changes, high sec people don't want to be in null sec with its players. EVE, like intercourse, you do a lot of work and buying expensive things - only to have a few minutes of excitement. |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
56
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:55:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.
Why? How much do you play and how much will it compare to other activities in $/h. I burn $50 easily on quality beer one night out with my friends.
Disclaimer: I currently only pay for one account with Gé¼ but could afford more if I wanted too.
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
98
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:08:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO. Why? How much do you play and how much will it compare to other activities in $/h. I burn $50 easily on quality beer one night out with my friends. Disclaimer: I currently only pay for one account with Gé¼ but could afford more if I wanted too.
Sorry but if you pay over 50 dollars monthly for the same videogame? You are extremely irresponsible with your money |

Jita Alt666
539
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:18:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Lexmana wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO. Why? How much do you play and how much will it compare to other activities in $/h. I burn $50 easily on quality beer one night out with my friends. Disclaimer: I currently only pay for one account with Gé¼ but could afford more if I wanted too. Sorry but if you pay over 50 dollars monthly for the same videogame? You are extremely irresponsible with your money
If you have an entertainment budget, of say $250 per month, and you stick to that budget, you are responsible with money. How you spend that budget is completely up to you.
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:49:00 -
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I've already canceled a couple accounts over these asinine prices. I figure by the end of the month this will be only account I keep open then by end of December swtor will be out and that will drive the final nail in my eve coffin. |

Famble
Three's a Crowd
41
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Posted - 2011.11.14 22:56:00 -
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Came trying to sympathize with people upset they can't fund their fourth alt with plex; left disappointed. |

XavierVE
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
32
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:03:00 -
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SWTOR is to EVE what rabbits are to airplanes, little one.
As for the rest of you, welcome to capitalism and the free market. Deal with it, you don't have a "right" to 320 million plex just as I don't have a right to sub-100 million isk recon ships.
Suck it up. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
374
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:04:00 -
[41] - Quote
If you look the amount of daily plex trading in 1 year market history, the demand has not been rising too much.
Either there is some severe market manipulation going on or the supply has dropped dramatically over past few months.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - wouldn't be the 1st time.
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:14:00 -
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XavierVE wrote:SWTOR is to EVE what rabbits are to airplanes, little one.
Thanks for that, captain obvious. However, I was not having a debate about game mechanics. It was simply a statement that by that time another game will be out that is interest to me. Work on your reading comprehension. |

Jita Alt666
539
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:15:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:If you look the amount of daily plex trading in 1 year market history, the demand has not been rising too much.
Either there is some severe market manipulation going on or the supply has dropped dramatically over past few months.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - wouldn't be the 1st time.
I partially concur with your view: something is strangling supply. If this were purely manipulation we would have seen a lift in sales. Perhaps we did during the Incarna drama - and it was controlled to maintain sales levels at pre Incarna rates. The effort and isk supply to do that extended for 6 months is pretty heavy.
Edit: sells have dropped to 486 over last 3 hours. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
374
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:22:00 -
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I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.
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Jita Alt666
539
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:52:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.
For some people refusing to buy equals inability to play. The balance will be when is the grind for the majority of plexers no longer worth the ability to log on.
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Barakkus
1086
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Posted - 2011.11.14 23:56:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win.
I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370. |

Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:00:00 -
[47] - Quote
I pay for my sub now. Not worth the hassle to raise that amount of ISK when you could be doing something fun and that you enjoy. Feel sorry for those with multiple alts...kinda |

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
67
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:10:00 -
[48] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win. I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370.
I haven't bought any since 350, and i won't pay more than 360, main or not.
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Barakkus
1086
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:12:00 -
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Famble wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote: You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?
I always find myself saying this to myself too. I don't get it.
Things sometimes happen in the current economic climate in the world that makes things a little harder...like taking pay cuts so deep you have to start making cuts in just about every aspect of your life to stay afloat...not everyone has money coming out of their asses you know. |

Famble
Three's a Crowd
41
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:17:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Famble wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote: You don't have 30$ a month but have enough free time to grind for one billion isk?
I always find myself saying this to myself too. I don't get it. Things sometimes happen in the current economic climate in the world that makes things a little harder...like taking pay cuts so deep you have to start making cuts in just about every aspect of your life to stay afloat...not everyone has money coming out of their asses you know.
I realize that. I'm not a rich man, I guess I just sound like it cause I can dump $30/month on my video game budget.
Anyhoo, if I'm needed I'll be in the study sipping brandy and smoking a cigar next to the fire... (I'm actually in the garage smoking a Camel with a crappy space heater) |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
375
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:21:00 -
[51] - Quote
Yep...
I'm going to fund my accounts rather with Gé¼uro subscription than buy plex worth more than 400m. It's not that I couldn't afford to play with isk, but the isk vs time ratio starts to go wrong.
One rather reliable way to convert iskies to time is to calculate how long you would have to mine in hisec to gain enough basic minerals to fund 30 days worth of game time. Hisec mineral prices should reflect the global eve economy rather well and are not too easy to manipulate over short term.
I've come to conclusion that 350m is pretty much the limit where plex should ever go with current mineral prices. 400m is definately the cap.
Obviously people have many methods of obtaining isk and some make more in a day than others make in years. However it all still boils to the question: would you buy 1Gé¼ bottle of milk with 10Gé¼ just because someone else thinks you can afford it?
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Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
77
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:34:00 -
[52] - Quote
People stopped selling PLEX to buy super caps with the incoming winter nerf.
Also when people stopped playing as happened since Incarna, not many new PLEX were added to the market, after all why invest real money in a game that appears to be dying? What we see now is simply people using up the massive stockpiles already in game.
Prices should be back to more normal levels a month or two after the winter expansion when everyone is happy again and people want to invest money in space pixels once again. Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |

Michelle Vega
METR0P0LIS
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:38:00 -
[53] - Quote
We (as a corp) don't see any reason to put prices for Plex higher. We've been selling Plex to our customers (40+/month) for 369m all of this year and have no intent of increasing prices unless RL prices for GTC go up.
Seems like a new Jita Cartel Scam to try for easy profits. GL with that. Metr0p0lis - - The CIA of EVE |

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
40
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:41:00 -
[54] - Quote
Some good speculation on the causes here but I don't think it's possible for us to say with certainty unless CCP gives us a report on how many plex's are being bought. Anyways, I've been covering 2 accounts wtih plex's for a years. I could pay the $30 a month to keep them going but why bother when I can just grind that in an hour or two. Yes I make more IRL on a per hour basis but I grind that isk to kill time while waiting for something more interesting to happen. In effect, it's an alternative to station spinning.
All that said, plex prices are getting pretty harsh. I can still afford them but my casual isk grinding is starting to feel a little grindy. So I may take a break for a few months. Skyrim and BF3 are certainly consuming a lot of my time lately. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
375
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Posted - 2011.11.15 00:41:00 -
[55] - Quote
Would be nice to see some actual ccp statistics about real world currency plex purchases from past year.
In other words how many new plex is going to the game and has there been such great variation than some are suggesting.
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rufeno
Imajica Investments Blue Sky Consortium
20
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Posted - 2011.11.15 04:16:00 -
[56] - Quote
Carlos Aranda wrote: maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?
and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?
you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money?
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Major Templar
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:44:00 -
[57] - Quote
Sadly this will end my Eve gaming life. I can't afford to pay RL for this game and with the current trend in prices I can't afford to pay In-Game either.
I will resub in a few months to a year when I can actually find a job in RL. |

Jak'rat
Lion Investments
3
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Posted - 2011.11.15 11:59:00 -
[58] - Quote
rufeno wrote:Carlos Aranda wrote: maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?
and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?
you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money?
No, a lot of people really do not understand this.  |

KaarBaak
147
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:09:00 -
[59] - Quote
While it's a little far-fetched to expect CCP to release numbers, it might be possible to hear from GTC resellers like BC and SC to hear how sales are going. I think a lot of the PLEX that are sold for isk (rather than redeemed by the purchaser) are created via GTC. A decline in GTC sales might indicate the lower supply of PLEX.
If anyone from those sites is willing to pass along that info, I'd be curious.
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rodyas
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:15:00 -
[60] - Quote
Mashie Saldana wrote:People stopped selling PLEX to buy super caps with the incoming winter nerf.
I really like that viewpoint. As with that nerf players dont have a really big goal anymore to work towards. I mean the T3 BC are only like 30-50mill or something and with that nerf no more excitement of going big and doing well and selling plexes are worth it. CCP could launch huge star bases for corps that cost alot of isk. Then maybe rich megacorps might start selling plex again to the market. Players just need some ambition then it might get better, but not sure what the biggest goal is now with the supers nerf. |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
166
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:21:00 -
[61] - Quote
KaarBaak wrote: While it's a little far-fetched to expect CCP to release numbers, it might be possible to hear from GTC resellers like BC and SC to hear how sales are going. I think a lot of the PLEX that are sold for isk (rather than redeemed by the purchaser) are created via GTC. A decline in GTC sales might indicate the lower supply of PLEX.
If anyone from those sites is willing to pass along that info, I'd be curious.
You're never going to get numbers from these guys.
CCP has, until recently, put the brakes on plex prices in game. They haven't done so recently. The question is why? I believe they want to increase their subscriber numbers now that NeX/Incarna development is shelved as they were both tide to WoD development.
During CCP's push to make us like Incarna they were wanting to switch to an MT model. Since that is all going away I would expect that they want to reclaim the subscribers they lost to solidify their financials. As much as the gaming industry wants us to believe MT is the wave of the future, I have serious doubts that MT is as rosy a picture as painted especially in a lingering worldwide economic slump.
This is, of course, only my opinion of it. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
17
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:23:00 -
[62] - Quote
If it is indeed speculation, it should be easy to fix.
Maybe add a period of 30 days before you can sell or trade a plex you just bought ? |

Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
12
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Posted - 2011.11.15 12:29:00 -
[63] - Quote
Jak'rat wrote:rufeno wrote:Carlos Aranda wrote: maybe CCP want to drive out all those people, who do not pay real money for their game?
and then increase NEX shop and Gold ammunition... big business, you know?
you do realise that even if we pay with plex, someone bought that plex for us with real money? No, a lot of people really do not understand this. 
This. My ex-ceo was like this. Nice guy, but slow. He was also thinking that minerals we mined are free and therefore we can sell the ships we build at lower prices than anyone else, since were not investing in the minerals. Trying to explain that he wrong was really painful. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
182
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Posted - 2011.11.15 13:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
Stop speculating. God  |

Lexmana
Imperial Stout
56
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:15:00 -
[65] - Quote
Sam Bowein wrote:If it is indeed speculation, it should be easy to fix.
Maybe add a period of 30 days before you can sell or trade a plex you just bought ?
Why would you want to stop speculations? |

Famble
Three's a Crowd
45
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:KaarBaak wrote: While it's a little far-fetched to expect CCP to release numbers, it might be possible to hear from GTC resellers like BC and SC to hear how sales are going. I think a lot of the PLEX that are sold for isk (rather than redeemed by the purchaser) are created via GTC. A decline in GTC sales might indicate the lower supply of PLEX.
If anyone from those sites is willing to pass along that info, I'd be curious.
You're never going to get numbers from these guys. CCP has, until recently, put the brakes on plex prices in game. They haven't done so recently. The question is why? I believe they want to increase their subscriber numbers now that NeX/Incarna development is shelved as they were both tide to WoD development. During CCP's push to make us like Incarna they were wanting to switch to an MT model. Since that is all going away I would expect that they want to reclaim the subscribers they lost to solidify their financials. As much as the gaming industry wants us to believe MT is the wave of the future, I have serious doubts that MT is as rosy a picture as painted especially in a lingering worldwide economic slump. Afterall, having a subscriptions means one can plan on a fixed fee, budget it in, not have to worry about farming to afford to play for free so that they can spend more time working to make real money. This is, of course, only my opinion of it.
Kidd my boy it's nice to hear someone say, "As much as the gaming industry wants us to believe MT is the wave of the future, I have serious doubts that MT is as rosy a picture as painted" because I couldn't agree more. That model makes me feel all ookey. I don't like it. It just feels... dirty.
I mean it's one thing to do it for small, novelty games like perhaps Zombie Farm on phones but big studio, big immersion games; well I just don't want anything to do with it. I like my monthly subscriptions if for no other reason that I know what I'm spending each month. Not to mention I don't feel disadvantaged because I didn't buy some new item etc.
/derail
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Demolishar
The 57th Overlanders
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:42:00 -
[67] - Quote
Game over for me, then. |

WuMaTih
League of Gentlemen Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:49:00 -
[68] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:I can afford to pay for the subscriptions, however, spending 50+ dollars per month on a videogame is pretty ******* stupid IMO.
I already dislike the idea of subscription games. Eve is the only game thats made me cave in and pay monthly. I would consider 15 a month tops. That is close to 200 dollars a year for a videogame. I could afford a couple more accounts, however i chose not to.
The only reason i have alt accounts is because i can fund them with PLEX. However, this is going out the door fast, and will only result in lost subscriptions for CCP.
Yet you go out with your girl for dinner and a movie and spend half your yearly subscription for 1 night of enterainment.. when 100$ in eve gets you 6 months of entertainment.
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Sam Bowein
Sense Amid Madness
17
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Sam Bowein wrote:If it is indeed speculation, it should be easy to fix.
Maybe add a period of 30 days before you can sell or trade a plex you just bought ? Why would you want to stop speculations? Because it only benefits the ultra-rich and one of these days the market is gonna crash with dire repercussions ?
Kind of like IRL I guess 
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2011.11.15 15:50:00 -
[70] - Quote
Demolishar wrote:Game over for me, then.
Heh and people says EVE does not have an end game. How wrong they were. |

Chelone
Outside The Asylum
6
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:43:00 -
[71] - Quote
600M or 700M prices can't be sustained. Demand will collapse when people start closing extra accounts and/or start paying with cash. The theory about the supercap nerf causing this is very plausible. Severe depression of supercap market -> depression of plex purchasing (supply) -> price explosion. (As well as market speculation amplifying any change.)
The price will settle down once more people close/pay cash for their extra accounts due to the prices. I can see Plex settling at 450-500M in the longer term. |

Angsty Teenager
Derpotle
4
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:00:00 -
[72] - Quote
You guys are all wrong. Plex could probably go as high as 1bil maybe even 1.5bil and could stay there, quite easily.
The issue is that there are a large number of people now who have access to easy isk, namely incursions, and, if you look at it, you'd see that 1bil plex prices are easily sustainable given their isk generation.
A casual incursion runner can very easily make 100mil an hour, it's literally impossible to make less than this unless you are the FC and purposely mess up your fleet. At 100mil/hr, you make the money for a 1bil plex in 10 hours, and assuming you spend 2 hours a day doing incursions, it takes you 5 days (out of 30 in a month) to get your plex. The other 25 days you can spend that 2 hours doing whatever else you want. Some of it will be spent doing more incursions to make money for pvp ships, but again, you can make 1 bil in 5 days playing super casually.
So this guy will spend 1/3 of his playing time making money, and the other 2/3's doing whatever he wants. For many EVE players, carebears in highsec in particular, doing whatever they want usually involves just carebearing more, so I can bet you can they will just do more incursions.
This is why plex prices are shooting up, and will continue shooting up and won't stop at 700mil or whatever. The only thing that would stop it is a psychologic impact on the players, but any savvy (or ignorant) player will either realize what I'm saying here, or just not realize anything and pay blindly for plex prices.
If you're one of the maddies madding becuase you can't play the plex prices, how about you go run the stupidly lucrative incursions that are accessible daily for zero risk to all players.
And if you're rich, buy plex. |

Jita Alt666
547
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Posted - 2011.11.15 18:59:00 -
[73] - Quote
Yes Incursions provide a big tap and are by far the easiest way for a casual player to play for plex. However the number of incursions are limited. As the price of plex rise other less profitable income streams will be foregone as players turn to incursions. As the demand for incursions rise while the supply stays static the isk tap will start to dwindle. |

Tovita
Not Quite So Sinister Shadow Empire.
0
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:42:00 -
[74] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:I believe that if most eve players agreed now not to buy even a single plex when the price is above 400m, certain inviduals would lose healthy amount of iskies which they have invested to the bubble.
This is like wall street deja-vu eve-edition experience which is going on.... Just refuse to buy and you will win. I stopped purchasing plex for my alt once they went over 370.
Ive been buying plexes for about a year now, last one was for 400 something, but i wont buy any more plexes for sure and i dont have any alts also. 500+ is no go for sure even if the isk income gets better.
Most item prices are about same same with ships also, so i rather buy ships than a plex for 500m 1b |

IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp V.A.S.T.
26
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Posted - 2011.11.16 20:44:00 -
[75] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Counter. CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.
Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks.
Am i the only person who thinks thats nucking futs? 'perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim'
Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you. |

Sakurako Kimino
Volatile Nature White Noise.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
i really don't see a problem here at all, 600m thats 20m a day, less then 1 sanctum maybe 1 or 2 level 4 missions. i think that the plex price should be higher maybe 40m a day or even 50m aday its not even hard to make that isk (isk value not inc loot, salvage, faction items or lp)
eve is about sin |

Lord Wiggin
Furian Necromongers
12
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:07:00 -
[77] - Quote
IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Counter. CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.
Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks. Am i the only person who thinks thats nucking futs?
Only because you have no idea of how many people were spending real money to be a big player in the game.... In Delve, 3 of the stations we put up were paid for by a player, with lots of spare cash....
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Jita Alt666
559
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Posted - 2011.11.16 21:33:00 -
[78] - Quote
Lord Wiggin wrote:IGNATIUS HOOD wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Counter. CCP Nerf Supercapitals, a ship class that many pilots had simply dropped $500-$1000 on their CCs to buy plex to buy said Supercapitals.
Supercapital demand tanks. PLEX supply tanks. Am i the only person who thinks thats nucking futs? Only because you have no idea of how many people were spending real money to be a big player in the game....  In Delve, 3 of the stations we put up were paid for by a player, with lots of spare cash.... 
Remember in the diversity in wealth is as wide in real life as it is in Eve Online. I have a mate whose Christmas bonus is larger than my annual salary. For him it is no problem to log into account management buy 3 gtcs for each of his closest "Eve Buddies" and say; "have a good new years guys". Unfortunately this is often accompanied by: "log in log in, something crazy is going down..." 3 times a week for the next 6 months.
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