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Posted - 2014.04.14 19:33:00 -
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CCP, give free Titan pls. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Varesk wrote:Velocity can be achieved if part of the titan was sticking out of the POS shield and bumbed when Titans jumped in. Or, more likely, it was not sticking out and they deliberately picked an otherwise unnecessarily close point to the POS to jump to. Guys, guys, don't cyno in too close to the hostile pos, its unnecessary! Nevermind other considerations in the heat of battle, our enemies might get upset. That should clearly be everyone's #1 priority when dropping carriers, dreads, supers or titans on a hostile tower in a dangerous situation: not to ruffle anyone's feathers. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:04:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I do love these threads. Any time an exploit is used, people throw their arms in the air screaming for justice, unless the victim of the exploit was goons, then suddenly everyone's supporting exploits.
Stop being pathetic. Exploits are exploits, regardless of who it was done by or to. So, we know for a fact then that an exploit was used, rather than say a part of a fat-ass titan was sticking out of the shield?
I assume you have logs that confirm this?
Edit: Also, for the record, I point and laugh at PL/NC. losses as much as I do for Goons. My badpoasting record speaks for itself, TYVM. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:08:00 -
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Tippia wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Guys, guys, don't cyno in too close to the hostile pos, its unnecessary! Nevermind other considerations in the heat of battle, our enemies might get upset. It has nothing to do with making people upset. It has to do with risking your own ships and your own accounts for no good reasons. Also, there's a distinct lack of heat of battle here. Eh, whenever Titans are involved, everything is 1 cyno away from a major clusterfuck, especially given the alliances involved.
That risk is enough of an element of "heat", IMO. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:11:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Quote:So, we know for a fact then that an exploit was used, rather than say a part of a fat-ass titan was sticking out of the shield? If it was just sticking out, they should have GÇö and could have GÇö killed it. For some odd reason, they didn't, most likely because they couldn't. If it wasn't already killable, then it was indeed an exploit. That's a plausible supposition, but that's all it is: a supposition.
No Evidence to confirm it whatsoever. If the video in question showed that an exploit was used, well then all of the goonposters in this thread would have a very valid point. But the video doesn't show that, does it?
Also, if a Part of a titan is sticking out of a shield, and I bump the part that's sticking out, is that an exploit? I'm actually curious about this as I don't know the answer. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:20:00 -
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Thanks for the info.
Exploits are bad, and using them to kill ships is also bad. But that titan could have just as easily been bumped before it became untargettable. There's just no way to know, especially with the evidence provided.
IMO CCP shouldn't reimburse ships for what might have happened. That's just a bad road to follow (again IMO). |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
The only way to smack a titan out of a POS if a tiny bit is near the POS sheilds is to cyno in a bunch of very high mass ships (other titans) onto that point. The titans are so large that they will cyno into the pos (and inside the targdt titan) which will bump the titansin opposite directions. The target titan will fly out of the pos and then can be targeted by DD. It is impossible to stop a bumped titan when its moving at 1000+km/s which is what Vee's titan was doing. It is also impossible for a titan to reach these speeds unless it gets cyno bumped by another titan.
This was deemed an exploit by CCP.
As I mention here, the bump could have happened before the titan became untargettable, at which point (as you say) it would be impossible to stop and it would coast all the way through the pos shield (as it did).
The problem is the video doesn't show the critical part of the action which would constitute an exploit. An exploit might have happened, then again it might not have happened.
Reimbursing for a might have been is not a good idea (IMO). |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:iskflakes wrote:You know, this whole issue could have been avoided if titans were more reasonably sized in the first place. Reducing their size by a factor of 4 would probably be the best buff CCP could ever give them. Nah. Just make it so that anything that interacts or intersects with a POS shield on jumping (in or out) explodes instantly, leaving nothing behind, before any other physics simulation effects are calculated. That should put a damper on things. I like this idea. +1
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Posted - 2014.04.14 21:55:00 -
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i-AA wrote:Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:
They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.
Its an exploit. And it was used.
Correct, except for the bit where an exploit was used. No evidence has been provided showing that the titan was in the POS at the time of the alleged bump.
Death to ALL supers. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:i-AA wrote:Those of you that dont understand what just happened heres what:
They cut the initial bumping record, titan was by the end of the shields and they bumped it to get out from the other side.
Its an exploit. And it was used.
Correct, except for the bit where an exploit was used. No evidence has been provided showing that the titan was in the POS at the time of the alleged bump. Death to ALL supers. Aside from the fact that we can see the titan flying out of the pos and that the point where all of the titans are flying from is the edge of the POS bubble. Yeah, except it just isn't that clear cut. If it was, the titan would have been replaced, temp bans handed out, and you and I wouldn't be having this discussion.
That being said, it's ultimately CCP's decision whether or not to hand out a frwe Titan. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:This will not be the first time CCP have taken no action on people exploiting the game untill we kick up a fuss on the forums. Eh, if those titans that bumped get a ban, I won't shed a tear.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, yeah, umm.... If that wasn't the exploit, how the **** is it going that fast? Could've been bumped while a bit outside the POS.
No evidence has been provided to the contrary except a few people saying "Nope, it was in the pos the entire time", which really isn't evidence at all. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 22:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Why would they bump a titan TOWARDS a pos rather than just DD on the spot?
You can see where the bump happened just by looking at where the titans are and their speed and direction. It was the edge of the POS shield bubble, which is exactly where a bridging titan sits when it is about to bridge a fleet.
You know what I see in that video? A bunch of purple Titans moving vaguely to the left and orange titan moving vaguely to the right, with footage beginning with the orange titan almost in the middle of the POS bubble.
I also don't see any other orange dots in that video, leading me to believe that this event occurred sometime after a fleet bridge out (if one bridged out at all, like many things I can't tell that from the video alone). So you weren't there at the time, and you've provided none of your own footage to back up this claim.
Now, someone posted a 3 week old link to a youtube video, followed by a bunch of he said/she said claims. He said he was in the Pos. She said he wasn't.
You know what I don't see? Any exploit. I'm not saying it couldn't have happened before the footage in question. You could certainly argue that it might have happened. But I don't see any exploit in that footage. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:Just to play Devils advocate here : nowhere in that video does it show that Vees titan was inside the pos when they bumped it. If it wasnt in the pos they would have simply used their DD. You never bump a titan towards a POS if it is outside. People do all sorts of stupid **** in Eve. That's hardly evidence of an exploit being used. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began.
I'd be real interested to examine that bit. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: Aside from the fact that we can see where the bump happened which just happens to be on the edge of the pos shields, exactly where a bridging titan sits.
Could you point out the time in the video where you see exactly where the orange titan was before the footage began. I'd be real interested to examine that bit. You simply look at where the titans are all moving from. The point where the bump happened can be seen simply by looking at the direction all of the ships are moving from. Its rather shocking to see so many people willing to ignore the factthat an eploit has happened here simply because it was a goon titan that died. So somewhere in that general direction *waves hand at left side of screen*. Very nice and exact, or "simple" as you put it.
I'm not ignoring an exploit, I simply don't see it. Maybe its a simple thing for you to pinpoint the exact position of every single ship in that video at every single sever tick before the footage began.
Regrettably, I have no such ability. All I see is an orange titan moving in some vague direction toward the right of the screen. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:24:00 -
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Dabigredboat wrote:NC.dot has been trying to declare based on a Screen shot that the titans jumped in at ranges of 100km plus So NC. is full of **** and lies up the ass. That shouldn't surprise anyone, nor does it prove that an exploit happened. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: You dont see it because you are chosing to not see it.
It is very very easy to see where the titans are moving and draw a line back to where they were.
You're saying: This footage is the result of POS Bowling. I'm saying: There's no POS Bowling in that footage.
I'm not disagreeing with the possibility that you are right. You could be correct. But there is no actual footage of POS Bowling. Which means theirs no evidence of POs Bowling. Extrapolation? Sure. But extrapolation isn't proof. |
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Posted - 2014.04.14 23:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: How much more evidence do you want exactly? We have literally caught them in the act in a video.
No you haven't. You might have caught them after the act.
In order to know where any collision occurred, and at what time, you would need to know the speed of every single titan in that video and the rate at which each of them decelerated. Do you know this? If not, any extrapolation you do will be woefully inaccurate.
As for how much evidence I want? I would like to see either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. Either of those would be completely satisfactory.
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:05:00 -
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Yes I have. Your argument rests on the bump taking place while the Titan was inside the force field. You attempt to make some vague or "simple" extrapolation to that effect.
There is no bump in the video. That is indisputable. As such, we need either (1) footage of the actual bump or POS-bowl taking place or (2) logged physical data from CCP. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: Why would someone bump a titan into a POS rather than use their DD?
The same reason any number of other things happen in eve. Error, stupidity, who knows?
baltec1 wrote: Why is it so hard for people to backtrack these ships to the point of impact?
Because extrapolation isn't evidence. You could ask the entire population of Eve to extrapolate from this video, and you would get many different answers, most of them probably wrong. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie. I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line. I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can. Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense.
Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it? |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote:The Slayer wrote:Dear lord baltec you sound like a wailing pubbie. I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line. I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can. Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense. Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it? If thats the case then we have a green light to bump titans out of POS. That's not what I said but OK. You have my approval to bump titans, for whatever **** that's worth lol. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: When you look back over the last few years you see a lot of exploits and game imbalances have been fixed thanks to our efforts.
Yes, but you typically provided a larger body of evidence, generally of a higher quality than this. (hint, hint )
Good luck either way. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:baltec1 wrote: I swear, its like trying to herd cats in trying to get these people to draw a damn line.
I want to know if we can get away with using this tactic if N3 can.
Yes, if someone posts a video of roughly the same type as in the OP that doesn't show you actually breaking any rules, but does show you killing an N3 titan, I will have a thorough laugh at the loser's expense. Not that my opinion matters. Really only CCP's opinion matters, and they have access to the logged physical data. Maybe you should petition it, although I'm guessing you already did at the time and didn't like their answer. If that's true, it really doesn't bode well for your case, does it? If thats the case then we have a green light to bump titans out of POS. That's not what I said but OK. You have my approval to bump titans, for whatever **** that's worth lol. If it didnt get flagged by ccp this time then it wont get flagged in the future. If CCP state that this wasnt an exploit then every titan within 2km of the shield edge is fair game. Sure, if that's what you think this means, you should totally pursue it.
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:51:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:Can we agree on three points here :
1/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY INSIDE a pos shield without a password IS an exploit
2/ Bumping a titan that is PARTIALLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e untargetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit
3/ Bumping a titan that is FULLY OUTSIDE a pos shield i.e targetable but ass sticking out IS NOT an exploit
4/ This video does not clearly show WHICH of these situations was true, in this case. Fixed for completeness, and yes the video does not show in anyway what happened before the video began. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
meanwhile we can see where the bumping incident happened just by looking at were the ships are moving.
Or just get CCP to check the logged physical data by filing a petition. But your way is nice too I suppose... |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 01:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote:
So how did the titan get bumped to over 1000m/s by other titans?
The logical conclusion would be that the titan was outside the pos shield. So why would they cyno in at zero and bump the titan towards the pos when their DD have a range of 150km? you honestly think that is more likely than cynoing in 15km long ships at zero on the pos sheilds to reach inside to bump a bridging titan out at 1000m/s+? I emphasized the important part which indicates that none of us actually know for a fact exactly what occurred. If only there was some kind of record, a form of data used to store information about past events that occur on the server... |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Avon wrote:baltec1 wrote: I wonder what excuse you would have used if N3 was daft enough to put up the bump itself.
I wouldn't be making excuses if the video showed that they exploited. Exploits are bad. I seem to remember you being much better at forums baltec1 - either my memory is failing me or your ability is failing you. Hard to argue a point with someone who ignores evidence put right before them. We can all see the way the ships are moving. We can all see that Vees titan wasnt outside the POS due to it not getting blown up instantly. We can all see the titans being bounced in directions and speeds that indicate a cyno bump. Anyone of my age remembers pos bowling and it looks exactly like what is happening here. If N3 get away with this even after posting this video then it can only mean pos bowling is now a legit tactic. But hey, its not suprising that the people who post mostly grr goon comments are turning a blind eye to an exploit being used agaist us. Rest assured, if we had done this the mob would be crying for our heads and with a lot less evidence. Baltec, if the video in question showed someone pos bowling no one would question that an exploit happened, the titan need to be replaced, and the people responsible banned.
As it stands, the provided video supports one of two conclusions: 1) The titan was bumped just inside the POS shield - Exploit. 2) The titan was bumped just outside the POS shield - Not Exploit.
You claim that the titan must have been inside the POS for ~reasons~ but provide no supporting evidence of that. Maybe after whatever op Vee went afk and drifted out of the POS. Stranger stuff has happened. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: Baltec, if the video in question showed someone pos bowling no one would question that an exploit happened, the titan need to be replaced, and the people responsible banned.
As it stands, the provided video supports one of two conclusions: 1) The titan was bumped just inside the POS shield - Exploit. 2) The titan was bumped just outside the POS shield - Not Exploit.
You claim that the titan must have been inside the POS for ~reasons~ but provide no supporting evidence of that. Maybe after whatever op Vee went afk and drifted out of the POS. Stranger stuff has happened.
Again, if he was outside the pos why would they cyno right on top of him to bump him through the pos rather than cyno in at range and just DD him? No idea. But that doesn't exclude the possibility. Motivation for an action, or lack thereof is not evidence as such. |
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Posted - 2014.04.15 02:45:00 -
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Generic5Guy wrote:
That is what they did this time.
Ok....can you prove that? The video clearly shows a titan was bumped. Why it was bumped is irrelevant. Where it was bumped, outside or inside the POS is relevant. |
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