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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 23:22:00 -
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At long last my dreams are coming true. While many are going to be highly emotional about some of these changes they are necessary to make EVE a better game. I fully expect there to be some nasty surprises for other playstyles and areas of the game in this vision but it will be worth it if they are as well thought out as some of these changes.
Either this CSM is the most effective one there has ever been, or CCP's new hires are injecting very good ideas at last. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1496
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Posted - 2014.04.16 19:00:00 -
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Dalilus wrote:Maybe the players that run eve should take a look across the water and see how the healthcare revamp in the colonies is being received and working out. Huge changes all the time, i attribute it to fear of next year, that alienates everyone is not good. Stop paying attention to the BWAAAAAAmbulance that changes its mind every couple of months about what it wants and start introducing new content that everyone, not only the BWAAAAAmbulance drivers, can participate in and enjoy.
What if one of those players was also working on healthcare.gov as one of the people brought in to fix that too?
Man, that would just be creepy eh? Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:08:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:No, I know this is impossible because the dev's are ignoring this thread, and the null sec cartel propaganda team will fill in all the talking points on behalf of the poor overworked dev's, but I would love for a dev, or dev's, to explain what fallout they expect with these changes, short term and long term.
I assume these changes were not made just purely for the vindictive pleasure of wrecking high sec and low sec manufacturing, nor designed solely to enhance the wallets of those that control null sec station taxes. I assume these changes are being made to increase the subscription rate.
So all you dev's, who I am sure reading all the constructive feedback that phantom requested in the very first post, perhaps one of you can enlighten us on how you see the subscription rate going up with these changes?
Did I hear filling in of talking points?
I haven't commented much in this thread because I feel like only a handful of posters even understand it to this point. So I will break it all down into a few areas. Obviously a lot more happens but they are details in the greater framework of the below.
Some industry (big invention/T2, large ships) will move to nullsec as the mechanics will allow them to be more profitable than highsec. This doesn't mean they won't be doable at all in highsec however.
Null will consolidate and increase density in economic hubs. Note, Goons had done this long ago but this will enable us to enact some plans done up years ago and further increase density.
Compression just changes form but remains an industry.
Highsec industry won't be as clustered around Jita on an unique pilot basis. However, those large operations will likely move in now as they can accept the margin compression due to scaling fees to eliminate the logistics.
If anything this results in a short term drop in subs but better long term viability for the game. I expect some % of people are going to rage about these patches.
I always wondered something about those who frame the argument as null vs highsec. Lets assume for the moment EVE was all highsec. Assuming we still played that sorta game do people not think we could do a complete takeover of say The Forge if we wanted? At some point you just have to realize you are an inferior player in a very deep game. There is nothing wrong with that. Enjoy what parts of the game you can manage to be good at.
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 17:29:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Aryth wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:No, I know this is impossible because the dev's are ignoring this thread, and the null sec cartel propaganda team will fill in all the talking points on behalf of the poor overworked dev's, but I would love for a dev, or dev's, to explain what fallout they expect with these changes, short term and long term.
I assume these changes were not made just purely for the vindictive pleasure of wrecking high sec and low sec manufacturing, nor designed solely to enhance the wallets of those that control null sec station taxes. I assume these changes are being made to increase the subscription rate.
So all you dev's, who I am sure reading all the constructive feedback that phantom requested in the very first post, perhaps one of you can enlighten us on how you see the subscription rate going up with these changes? Did I hear filling in of talking points? I haven't commented much in this thread because I feel like only a handful of posters even understand it to this point. So I will break it all down into a few areas. Obviously a lot more happens but they are details in the greater framework of the below. Some industry (big invention/T2, large ships) will move to nullsec as the mechanics will allow them to be more profitable than highsec. This doesn't mean they won't be doable at all in highsec however. Null will consolidate and increase density in economic hubs. Note, Goons had done this long ago but this will enable us to enact some plans done up years ago and further increase density. Compression just changes form but remains an industry. Highsec industry won't be as clustered around Jita on an unique pilot basis. However, those large operations will likely move in now as they can accept the margin compression due to scaling fees to eliminate the logistics. If anything this results in a short term drop in subs but better long term viability for the game. I expect some % of people are going to rage about these patches. I always wondered something about those who frame the argument as null vs highsec. Lets assume for the moment EVE was all highsec. Assuming we still played that sorta game do people not think we could do a complete takeover of say The Forge if we wanted? At some point you just have to realize you are an inferior player in a very deep game. There is nothing wrong with that. Enjoy what parts of the game you can manage to be good at. Nice to see that all these changes benefit goons so much. It is almost like you drew them up yourselves. And yeah, waiting for the talking points of the dev's to see how much they match up with yours. The bottom line: This is a massive nerf to high sec, a huge buff to null sec, and goons themselves state that the sub base will take a hit for the good of "long term viability". CCP could just as easily wrecked every construct that supported the null sec cartels, had a bunch of cartel leaders quit in rage, and stated, "yes, we expect some short-term drop in subs, but overall, it improves the long-term viability of the game as now large groups of smaller organizations can try to carve out a small empire in null". As for inferior players, well, no doubt goons have won Eve. But to suggest that people choose morality over the goon way is hardly making one "inferior" over the other.
Perhaps you missed the part where we have taken wave after wave of nerfs to our income. Long before we received any kind of buff. Yet even though we were losing trillions in a tech nerf we lobbied the hardest for it. I know this might be hard for you to understand but you are not just inferior because you aren't successful. You are inferior because you do not care what is right for the overall game but just what is right for your chosen playstyle.
The doublewhammy of shameful. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.22 20:57:00 -
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The best part of this thread is when people admit they don't know the first thing about nullsec mechanics. After having been arguing the merits of a change that impacts null and highsec. If you want to be successful in this game or at least successful at arguing the mechanics within it, perhaps it might be useful to actually know mechanics beyond your small corner of the game.
Shocking concept I know. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
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Posted - 2014.04.22 21:13:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Nah, the best bit is finding out what the new changes will be, the rest is banter and waffle
You will find it far less exciting when you have already theorycrafted every possible solution years in advance. I guess it just turns into relief then. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:16:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Urziel99 wrote:
You give Aryth too much credit. The goon financiers may be diabolical, even evil. But even they aren't that powerful.
The greatest trick the devil played was to convince people he did not exist. You give Aryth too much credit. He's too ****ing lazy to architect much of anything; there's a reason why I do the majority of the finance work.
He says this because all of us were doing all the work all the years previous. So very true though. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
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Posted - 2014.04.25 22:51:00 -
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Korthan Doshu wrote:Mynnna's post is informative if not entirely on-point.
I don't think anybody cares whether all industry moves to nullsec. What people care about is whether the majority of industrial profits move to nullsec. Mynnna hedges in the article about whether this will happen. We need to see the numbers from the next few dev blogs to be able to make better predictions about that.
Of course. We haven't even internally decided how to do final exploitation of the new mechanics until we see all the final blogs. However, from what has been released, its clear the high margins of some types of productions are going to get compressed. by nullsec. To claim doom and gloom for highsec production though is laughable. Those of you in sweet spots like JF's are going to get creamed though. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
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