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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
1126
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:41:00 -
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I don't run missions, but from what I understand, with the right setup you can AFK a number of them.
You can't AFK pvp.
Artificial intelligence will never match player intelligence (or player stupidity). On that basis alone, missions don't prepare you for pvp.
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Yvonnelein
State War Academy
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:46:00 -
[32] - Quote
Next time I get into a fight with swarms of extremely poorly skilled players who fit 2-3 modules, don't have logistics support and don't warp out when they're in trouble, I'll be ready.  |
Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
164
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:01:00 -
[33] - Quote
Ha! My exact thought when reading the title.
Seriously though, lol no. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
997
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:31:00 -
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RvB. Certainly not missions. When was the last time a NPC frigate killed your battlecruiser?
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
314
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:35:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
No. Go into the water without knowing how to swim, and if you drown you will be cloned and wake up in a new body. Then you keep going back in the water until you stop drowning so often.
Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |
Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
31
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Posted - 2014.04.16 05:50:00 -
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Will security missions teach you to fight other players? No, not unless other players scan you down and attack you in your mission.
Will security missions prepare you for PvP combat? That's a question that has something of a broader scope than you might think.
Missions can be used to test-drive a new ship or fit before taking it into real combat. Missions can introduce you to concepts such as transverse velocity, webifying, sensor jamming, warp scrambling, target painting, etc, etc. They can show you how bad large weapons and ships work against small targets, even when said targets are flying straight at you. Missions also provide a nice stream of ISK to fund the ubiquitous 'cheap frig' that everyone keeps telling you to fly into PVP.
There's no replacement for actual experience, of course. But that doesn't mean that you can't use missions to help you prepare if you look at it in the right way.
"What a sad world we live in, where politeness is mistaken for weakness."-á - Usagi Yojimbo |
samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Repeat 0ffenders
216
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Posted - 2014.04.16 05:56:00 -
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Missions can prepare you for pvp in only one way: ISK
Running a couple of hours of level 4s should give you enough ISK to buy and fit a reasonable number of throwaway T1 frigs.
Buy them
Fit Them
Lose Them
It is the only way to get better at pvp. When you are happy with frigates then MAYBE move up a class. Frigates are godawesome fun though. Especially in faction warfare.
If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming. |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
107
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:40:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does?
This depends on your definition of prepare... it prepares your wallet for pvp, but in no way helps you with the actual act of pvp.
Edit: I need to finish reading the rest of the posts in a thread before posting this has been mentioned, lol |
Tweek Etimua
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:48:00 -
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No and nothing does. PvP is about luck....or blobs. |
Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:52:00 -
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Yvonnelein wrote:Next time I get into a fight with swarms of extremely poorly skilled players who fit 2-3 modules, don't have logistics support and don't warp out when they're in trouble, I'll be ready.
Well, there is the coercer... |
Khimes Quds
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:19:00 -
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Watch tutorial videos, read a few blogs and ask people about the details. Then try and die over and over, and after every defeat think what you have done wrong. After one miserable week of endless frustration, you'll start to get kills.
Pvp is the best aspect of Eve - it's not just about shooting down ships, it's equally about being a part of unique stories and moments. So, start to learn now.
PS: Btw most important thing about pvp is range control. |
Webvan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1042
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:39:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does?
What kind of missions? faction war missions? could... 
Hisec industrial missions? nnnnnnno
If you are looking for more pvp info, ISK the guide Vol.2 is about to be released in English,10 more days. http://www.isktheguide.com/ |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
588
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:41:00 -
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Ginding missions prepares you for grinding missions. |
Abyss Azizora
Astro Industrial Technologies
96
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:09:00 -
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Grinding missions prepares your "wallet" for pvp. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
9383
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:19:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does?
Yes, they do.
Keep grinding missions and you'll be the god of PVP.
"Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
375
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:06:00 -
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I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.
PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship.
To favor range over damage.
To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls.
To be cap stable.
That tank overrules damage.
To orbit your targets or keep at range
Meanwhile, in PVP
Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with
Damage over range in most cases
You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal
You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts
You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming)
Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.
And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP
EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons
So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP
I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
958
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:26:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
Lots of PVP corps train their pilots.
If you do pvp a lot and think about fights afterwards so you can do better next time you will get better at it.
Same as anything in eve. Research, ask, try, learn, adapt, win.
Start with cheap frigates lose a ton, alter the fits, alter the ships you take on, alter your orbit /manual flying /keep at range to increase you win chances. It is nothing like missions.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |
Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
157
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:35:00 -
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Buy 1000 frigates and feed random small gangs is one the the classic mantras here. It is not a bad thing but it is often recommended by people who never did that.
I mean, do what you feel you have to do and don't waste your time here asking for advices. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
Nullsec Ninjas
279
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:52:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does?
Nope. It prepares me for becoming so bored I log off and play Planetside 2 instead.
Don't Panic.
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Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:31:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in your pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP.
What this guy said. Go fly an affordable ship with t1 fit and buy a load of replacements ready to jump into when you die and go have fun somewhere. Learn as you go. Be respectful to your opponents and they might even help give you tips on how to improve. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
5903
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:26:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yeah... missions prepare you for PvP just like CoD prepares you for the military.
Well, GTA did teach me how to slap-a-ho and that came in very handy in my former pimping career.
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Sibyyl
385
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:39:00 -
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Grinding missions helps finance my PVP, in part, because the standings help my industrialist make more money. Grinding missions does not do very much to teach you about PVP combat, except maybe the basics. Getting around some of the ewar resistances in some missions is interesting, though..
/Fÿ¡
Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4761
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:18:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.
PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship.
To favor range over damage.
To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls.
To be cap stable.
That tank overrules damage.
To orbit your targets or keep at range
Meanwhile, in PVP
Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with
Damage over range in most cases
You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal
You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts
You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming)
Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.
And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP
EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons
So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP
I just had this experience. I have an alt with 2M SP that I put into a blaster Brutix using a specific PVP fit. It's a DPS beast! But in a level 4 mission the tank just does not stand up to the BS-sized NPCs. There's simply not enough space to fit enough cap injectors to maintain presence. (and of course the damned rats had nuets).
I've known for years that a PVP fit does not work in a level 4 mission, but at 80 million SP I can make a lot of things work. The less SP one has, the more critical the relation between the present skills and the fitting. I have not had to tank against a specific damage type since 2010.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising
Gentlemen's Agreement
132
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:42:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
Exactly the opposite. It's like saying "If you want to learn to swim, you have to get in the water." |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2220
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:00:00 -
[55] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yeah... missions prepare you for PvP just like CoD prepares you for the military.
Unfortunately, some would argue that this is indeed the case 
This is not a signature. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Advanced Amateurs
1242
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:49:00 -
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Grinding missions? It prepares you to refine better or whatever activities is tied to standings these days. I do missions when I'm so hung over I'd embarras myself in an actual fleet. If you must combine PVE with PVP, rat lowsec in a PVP fit or whatever. You eventually get sec tags or a fight out of it. |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
112
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:02:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
No, it's literally saying "sink or swim". And it's true, even I made my first ever PVP-kill after losing an unbelievable amount of ships. (Because I'm lazy and stupid. I'm pretty sure the average player learns a lot faster and less costly.) |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1269
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:07:00 -
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doing it ... no
it gives you the isk pool required to go out and lose a bunch of ships
luckily for you most of the SP transfers over without any hassle
you'll just want a quick bit of training in propulsion jamming
missions do not teach you the tactics or methods used in pvp
fraid you have to learn that stuff the hard way, by getting blown up lots by other players
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
3462
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:18:00 -
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If you just grind missions for ISK, you will never learn anything.
If you purposely try to use missions as a learning tool, then you may learn something from them.
Example: When I did some level 2 and level 3 missions in various destroyers, I learned a lot about the limitations of the ships vs. a superior opponent. I learned a lot about overheating modules too, and that some modules are a lot more durable than one would expect, and others are very fragile. I learned that missiles are a huge PITA for a small ship, even when they don't hit for full damage. I learned that by far, energy drains and webs were the scariest things for a small ship to face. etc. |
Amyclas Amatin
xX-Crusader-Xx
Li3 Federation
231
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:19:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.
PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship.
To favor range over damage.
To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls.
To be cap stable.
That tank overrules damage.
To orbit your targets or keep at range
Meanwhile, in PVP
Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with
Damage over range in most cases
You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal
You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts
You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming)
Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.
And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP
EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons
So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP
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