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Doireen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:25:00 -
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and if not, what does? A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |

masternerdguy
Dominion Task Force
1667
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:26:00 -
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No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20812
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:27:00 -
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Lol no. Exploding until you stop exploding prepares you from PvP. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Doireen Kaundur
704
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:28:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP.
But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?" A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5194
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:28:00 -
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No, missions do not prepare you for PvP except by giving you a relatively safe environment in which to learn how to use your targeting and weapons systems.
What prepares you for PvP is PvP. Join RvB, Faction Warfare or simply attend an Agony PvP class, and you will learn more about PvP in one day than a lifetime of mission-running.
In fact I posit that the more missions you run, the harder it will be for you to get into PvP. Mission-running teaches you a lot of very bad habits.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Doireen Kaundur
704
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lol no. Exploding until you stop exploding prepares you from PvP.
OK, I think I understand now.  A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5194
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:29:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
No, it's like saying, "throwing you in the pool and helping you not drown is how we teach you to swim."
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20812
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:29:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?" No, it's like saying GÇ£go into the water so you can learn how to swimGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1098
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:29:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?" More like saying drowning isn't so bad when you're immortal.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
12168
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:29:00 -
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Yeah... missions prepare you for PvP just like CoD prepares you for the military.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

masternerdguy
Dominion Task Force
1667
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:30:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
No, it's like saying "don't go into the 10 meter diving section when you can't handle the 1 meter shallows".
In other words learn using cheap frigates instead of expensive ships. Actually, if anything missions teach you that bigger ships worth more ISK are better which just isn't so. Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
20812
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:30:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:More like saying drowning isn't so bad when you're immortal. I retract my explanation and support this one instead.
Just remember to wear the cheap swimming trunks because you will soil them the first couple of times. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |

Doireen Kaundur
704
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:31:00 -
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LOL!!!
Great replies guys. Keep'em coming.
I see I have alot to learn about PvP.
Missions are starting to get old. A great American humorist and author recently said: "The one unintentional flaw of the internet generation is its ability to give the stupidest segments of our population the loudest voices." I have a tendency to agree with his statement.-á |

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
408
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:40:00 -
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You running endless missions prepares me for pvp.
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stoicfaux
4502
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:40:00 -
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Grinding leads to botting, botting leads to RMT, RMT leads to PvP versus CCP.
/padawan-jedi-sumtim'-sumtim'
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Marsha Mallow
232
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:43:00 -
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Aye, learning mechanics via PVE will serve fine, just watch some big fleet pvp vids to get a sense of the rest
Forums are good if you want to read and follow orders
Bad if you have an opinion and your alliance ballgags you
Really, the best prep for PVP is lowsec or empire during wardecs - both sides of that coin. Enjoy the pain :P My current corp decced mine 5 years ago and I've been mates with em ever since (altho tbf i think that's just me, rest of corp not so much)
The most annoying mechanics exist in empire/low, but tbh the best smack ingame, because you have to force a fight. Some of which is genuinely funny, whereas nullsec is more about puffing up and strutting, posting crappy asciiss and pron - then someone else hotdropping 3 carriers with 190 man fleet you might get to be part of 
v0v small gang is harder, but more rewarding - do blobsec for too long and you'll just mentally switch off. Try a bit of both mebe? Smallgang/solo and large scale? - |

Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1007
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:51:00 -
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Depends on which definition of "prepare" you look at.
1. to put in proper condition or readiness -- nope.
2. to get (a meal) ready for eating, as by proper assembling, cooking, etc. -- sounds about right. |

Winchester Steele
980
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:56:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:LOL!!!
Great replies guys. Keep'em coming.
I see I have alot to learn about PvP.
Missions are starting to get old.
Join RvB or BNI. Just do it. Don't wait until you are "ready." You won't ever be ready. Take this from someone who wasted almost a year doing PvE. ... |

Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
99
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Posted - 2014.04.16 00:59:00 -
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Even lowsec ninja-mining in a Venture will prepare you for PVP more than running L4s in a Navy Raven. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4757
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:04:00 -
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Spending all of your teenage years anticipating getting laid and then having it last 10 seconds when it happens is what prepares you for PVP.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
694
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:04:00 -
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Undocking in a 40b "epic purps" mission-running battleship prepares you for PvP. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
4700
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:10:00 -
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Grinding missions prepares you for a low-mid level job in a cubicle farm. You could put it on your resume, even. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5212
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:17:00 -
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Do missions prepare you for PvP? Nope.
How do you actually prepare yourself to PvP? Alcohol. Lots of it. And friends if you can get them. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |

stoicfaux
4504
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:21:00 -
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Using the isk you earned from grinding missions to buy the mercs to PvP the folks that offended you counts as PvP, no?
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1887
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:40:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:LOL!!!
Great replies guys. Keep'em coming.
I see I have alot to learn about PvP.
Missions are starting to get old. Join RvB or BNI. Just do it. Don't wait until you are "ready." You won't ever be ready. Take this from someone who wasted almost a year doing PvE and nearly cancelled my sub until some kind gankers rescued me.
Heck with pimping those guys. They get enough love. Join Stay Frosty. They are super laid back, and still manage to kill all the things. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |

Tran Tuyen
Amadio Family Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2014.04.16 01:54:00 -
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Once you've gotten the hang of basic mechanics (locking, activating mods, etc), I'd say mission grinding actually makes you less prepared for PVP. PVE gets you used to long, low-intensity "fights" with predictable enemies, which is the opposite of how PVP usually works. |

Asia Leigh
Beyond New Frontier
112
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:10:00 -
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No
What will get you prepared for PVP is fitting a cheap T1 frigate, going into your nearest low sec system and picking fights with the local inhabitants. Keep doing that till you start killing more then you lose.
That gets you ready for PVP and how I got started. Erotica 1: Scams someone-á-á Ripard: Makes inflamatory blog post that incites eve community and the MMO community-á Sohkar: I wasn't harrased-á-á-á-áCCP: Banned-á-á-á Moral of this story? If you don't want to get banned, don't **** off CSM |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1400
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:17:00 -
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Grinding missions prepares you for a life of sweatshop labor. Depending on which part of the world you live in and your present position in the socio-economic hierarchy of your surroundings, this might not be the worst way to go. |

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
273
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:22:00 -
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No...as others have said. At best, it perhaps gets you started on a few fundamental things (like perhaps tracking speed and various ewar types), but it's like the difference between learning how to fire an M-16 on rifle range versus that moment when you go to condition 1 in a real scenario and people start calling contacts.
As far as what does...PVP itself. That's the beauty of it. PVP is its own teacher and does an incredible job at that, though it does often require a "tuition fee" for providing lessons. Other players are a second best, but that depends on the teacher. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1890
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:28:00 -
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Grinding missions has prepared me for a life of retrieving tramps who can't keep their hands out of their boyfriends "pleasure hub." That doesn't come up as much in PvP as you might hope. "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion
***** Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM ***** |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1126
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:41:00 -
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I don't run missions, but from what I understand, with the right setup you can AFK a number of them.
You can't AFK pvp.
Artificial intelligence will never match player intelligence (or player stupidity). On that basis alone, missions don't prepare you for pvp. . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |

Yvonnelein
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2014.04.16 03:46:00 -
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Next time I get into a fight with swarms of extremely poorly skilled players who fit 2-3 modules, don't have logistics support and don't warp out when they're in trouble, I'll be ready.  |

Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
164
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:01:00 -
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Ha! My exact thought when reading the title.
Seriously though, lol no. |

Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
997
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:31:00 -
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RvB. Certainly not missions. When was the last time a NPC frigate killed your battlecruiser? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec. |

Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
314
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Posted - 2014.04.16 04:35:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?" No. Go into the water without knowing how to swim, and if you drown you will be cloned and wake up in a new body. Then you keep going back in the water until you stop drowning so often. Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |

Seraphi Nephalis
Seraphi Nephalis Corporation
31
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Posted - 2014.04.16 05:50:00 -
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Will security missions teach you to fight other players? No, not unless other players scan you down and attack you in your mission.
Will security missions prepare you for PvP combat? That's a question that has something of a broader scope than you might think.
Missions can be used to test-drive a new ship or fit before taking it into real combat. Missions can introduce you to concepts such as transverse velocity, webifying, sensor jamming, warp scrambling, target painting, etc, etc. They can show you how bad large weapons and ships work against small targets, even when said targets are flying straight at you. Missions also provide a nice stream of ISK to fund the ubiquitous 'cheap frig' that everyone keeps telling you to fly into PVP.
There's no replacement for actual experience, of course. But that doesn't mean that you can't use missions to help you prepare if you look at it in the right way.
"What a sad world we live in, where politeness is mistaken for weakness."-á - Usagi Yojimbo |

samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
216
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Posted - 2014.04.16 05:56:00 -
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Missions can prepare you for pvp in only one way: ISK
Running a couple of hours of level 4s should give you enough ISK to buy and fit a reasonable number of throwaway T1 frigs.
Buy them
Fit Them
Lose Them
It is the only way to get better at pvp. When you are happy with frigates then MAYBE move up a class. Frigates are godawesome fun though. Especially in faction warfare. If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming. |

Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
107
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:40:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does? This depends on your definition of prepare... it prepares your wallet for pvp, but in no way helps you with the actual act of pvp.
Edit: I need to finish reading the rest of the posts in a thread before posting this has been mentioned, lol |

Tweek Etimua
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:48:00 -
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No and nothing does. PvP is about luck....or blobs. |

Greyscale Dash
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2014.04.16 06:52:00 -
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Yvonnelein wrote:Next time I get into a fight with swarms of extremely poorly skilled players who fit 2-3 modules, don't have logistics support and don't warp out when they're in trouble, I'll be ready. 
Well, there is the coercer... |

Khimes Quds
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:19:00 -
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Watch tutorial videos, read a few blogs and ask people about the details. Then try and die over and over, and after every defeat think what you have done wrong. After one miserable week of endless frustration, you'll start to get kills.
Pvp is the best aspect of Eve - it's not just about shooting down ships, it's equally about being a part of unique stories and moments. So, start to learn now.
PS: Btw most important thing about pvp is range control. |

Webvan
State Protectorate Caldari State
1042
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:39:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does? What kind of missions? faction war missions? could...  Hisec industrial missions? nnnnnnno
If you are looking for more pvp info, ISK the guide Vol.2 is about to be released in English,10 more days. http://www.isktheguide.com/ |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
588
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Posted - 2014.04.16 07:41:00 -
[43] - Quote
Ginding missions prepares you for grinding missions. |

Abyss Azizora
Astro Industrial Technologies
96
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:09:00 -
[44] - Quote
Grinding missions prepares your "wallet" for pvp. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9383
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Posted - 2014.04.16 08:19:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does? Yes, they do. Keep grinding missions and you'll be the god of PVP. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
375
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:06:00 -
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I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.
PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship. To favor range over damage. To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls. To be cap stable. That tank overrules damage. To orbit your targets or keep at range
Meanwhile, in PVP Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with Damage over range in most cases You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming) Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.
And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP
EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons
So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
Andall Combat Tournaments - on hiatus. Contact for more information. |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family Advent of Fate
958
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:26:00 -
[47] - Quote
Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
Lots of PVP corps train their pilots. If you do pvp a lot and think about fights afterwards so you can do better next time you will get better at it. Same as anything in eve. Research, ask, try, learn, adapt, win. Start with cheap frigates lose a ton, alter the fits, alter the ships you take on, alter your orbit /manual flying /keep at range to increase you win chances. It is nothing like missions. Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85 |

Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
157
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:35:00 -
[48] - Quote
Buy 1000 frigates and feed random small gangs is one the the classic mantras here. It is not a bad thing but it is often recommended by people who never did that.
I mean, do what you feel you have to do and don't waste your time here asking for advices. |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
279
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:52:00 -
[49] - Quote
Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does?
Nope. It prepares me for becoming so bored I log off and play Planetside 2 instead.
Don't Panic.
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Masuka Taredi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2014.04.16 12:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in your pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP.
What this guy said. Go fly an affordable ship with t1 fit and buy a load of replacements ready to jump into when you die and go have fun somewhere. Learn as you go. Be respectful to your opponents and they might even help give you tips on how to improve. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5903
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yeah... missions prepare you for PvP just like CoD prepares you for the military.
Well, GTA did teach me how to slap-a-ho and that came in very handy in my former pimping career.
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Sibyyl
385
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Posted - 2014.04.16 13:39:00 -
[52] - Quote
Grinding missions helps finance my PVP, in part, because the standings help my industrialist make more money. Grinding missions does not do very much to teach you about PVP combat, except maybe the basics. Getting around some of the ewar resistances in some missions is interesting, though..
/Fÿ¡ Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4761
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:18:00 -
[53] - Quote
Victor Andall wrote:I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.
PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship. To favor range over damage. To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls. To be cap stable. That tank overrules damage. To orbit your targets or keep at range
Meanwhile, in PVP Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with Damage over range in most cases You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming) Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.
And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP
EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons
So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP
I just had this experience. I have an alt with 2M SP that I put into a blaster Brutix using a specific PVP fit. It's a DPS beast! But in a level 4 mission the tank just does not stand up to the BS-sized NPCs. There's simply not enough space to fit enough cap injectors to maintain presence. (and of course the damned rats had nuets).
I've known for years that a PVP fit does not work in a level 4 mission, but at 80 million SP I can make a lot of things work. The less SP one has, the more critical the relation between the present skills and the fitting. I have not had to tank against a specific damage type since 2010.
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |

CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
132
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Posted - 2014.04.16 15:42:00 -
[54] - Quote
Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
Exactly the opposite. It's like saying "If you want to learn to swim, you have to get in the water." |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2220
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Posted - 2014.04.16 16:00:00 -
[55] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yeah... missions prepare you for PvP just like CoD prepares you for the military.
Unfortunately, some would argue that this is indeed the case  This is not a signature. |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs
1242
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Posted - 2014.04.16 21:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
Grinding missions? It prepares you to refine better or whatever activities is tied to standings these days. I do missions when I'm so hung over I'd embarras myself in an actual fleet. If you must combine PVE with PVP, rat lowsec in a PVP fit or whatever. You eventually get sec tags or a fight out of it. |

Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
112
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Posted - 2014.04.16 23:02:00 -
[57] - Quote
Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:No, but it prepares you for a special guest appearance on EVENews24 or TheMittani when you get ganked in our pimped missioning ship.
PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?"
No, it's literally saying "sink or swim". And it's true, even I made my first ever PVP-kill after losing an unbelievable amount of ships. (Because I'm lazy and stupid. I'm pretty sure the average player learns a lot faster and less costly.) |

Kitty Bear
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:07:00 -
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doing it ... no
it gives you the isk pool required to go out and lose a bunch of ships
luckily for you most of the SP transfers over without any hassle you'll just want a quick bit of training in propulsion jamming
missions do not teach you the tactics or methods used in pvp fraid you have to learn that stuff the hard way, by getting blown up lots by other players
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.04.17 00:18:00 -
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If you just grind missions for ISK, you will never learn anything.
If you purposely try to use missions as a learning tool, then you may learn something from them.
Example: When I did some level 2 and level 3 missions in various destroyers, I learned a lot about the limitations of the ships vs. a superior opponent. I learned a lot about overheating modules too, and that some modules are a lot more durable than one would expect, and others are very fragile. I learned that missiles are a huge PITA for a small ship, even when they don't hit for full damage. I learned that by far, energy drains and webs were the scariest things for a small ship to face. etc. |

Amyclas Amatin
xX-Crusader-Xx Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 01:19:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:I'm a relatively experienced PVE-er and rookie PVP-er.
PVE teaches you to fit specific resists on your ship. To favor range over damage. To reduce your sig radius when flying cruiser and larger hulls. To be cap stable. That tank overrules damage. To orbit your targets or keep at range
Meanwhile, in PVP Omnitank and buffer tanking (armor plates or shield extenders) go a longer way than specific damage resists, because you can't really predict what you'll be hit with Damage over range in most cases You usually already have a huge sig radius already because of the tanking, so a MWD is more useful on a cruiser to get within optimal You won't be using passive cap rechargers because a fight is usually over quickly, so cap stability is not required, you'll be probably using cap injectors for short bursts You'll want to kill your enemy faster, rather than chip at him slowly while tanking his shots (because the danger of reinforcements is ever-looming) Always manual pilot. And learn to exploit those using Orbit and Keep at Range.
And of course, I may be 100% wrong on all of these accounts which only serves to prove that PVE does nothing to prepare you for PVP
EDIT: Also Iterons can solo Megathrons
So I guess hauling prepares you for PVP
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Alundil
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.04.17 18:57:00 -
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Nope. The closest thing miiiiight be (and it's a huge stretch) incursions or wormhole sites but in general Eve's pve is a poor primer for PvP. Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:43:00 -
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The only skill you learn in PvE that may be of any use in PvP is transversal control, both for offence and defence. Other than that, you may be just perfect for big fleet battles. Lock on designated target, hit F1, repeat. Structure grinding is more of a miner mentality though, only without the ore as a reward. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
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Posted - 2014.04.17 19:46:00 -
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They don't prepare you in the sense that I think you're talking about, but they do give you ISK which can make a big difference in what kind of PvP is available to you. |

Shrewd Tsero
Aventine Legion
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:14:00 -
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Oh please to one and all. It's seriously like there's some sort of contagious disease around anything carebear or high-sec related that you all are afraid of catching. Like even the merest inference that you think there's something even slightly, mildly worthwhile in high-sec or the mission runner/miner/trader mentality means that you are going to have breakouts in the parts where the bad men touch you.
As a relatively new player that started purely missioning and still earns the ISK to fund his PvP side projects, I can tell you that the stuff I learned about fitting a ship all came from missions and it's been a great base. Understanding optimal versus falloff, the problem of dealing with smaller ships as a bigger ship, velocity and why it matters, wtf sig radius even is, what core skills are and how to prioritize training them, resistances and ammo types, rate of fire/tracking speed/explosion radius/etc.
Granted, some of that stuff I've had to unlearn, but not all of it. I think it's fair to say that missioning does not prepare you for PvP combat, but stop talking like it provides zero value at all. Could I have learned all that stuff by going straight out in my frigate with frickin lazors beams and a shield hardener fitted to my armor tank with purger rigs? Sure, but it's not the only way to go. It is good to have substance to one's existence.-á But in the absence of substance, one can do much yet with style. |

Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:33:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:masternerdguy wrote:PVP prepares you for PVP. But isnt that like saying "dont go in the water until you learn how to swim?" No, it's like saying, "throwing you in the pool and helping you not drown is how we teach you to swim." Tis how I learned. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:36:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:Do grinding missions prepare you for PVP?
Look, good against remotes is one thing... Good against a living? That's something else.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.04.17 21:48:00 -
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Shrewd Tsero wrote:Oh please to one and all. It's seriously like there's some sort of contagious disease around anything carebear or high-sec related that you all are afraid of catching. Like even the merest inference that you think there's something even slightly, mildly worthwhile in high-sec or the mission runner/miner/trader mentality means that you are going to have breakouts in the parts where the bad men touch you.
As a relatively new player that started purely missioning and still earns the ISK to fund his PvP side projects, I can tell you that the stuff I learned about fitting a ship all came from missions and it's been a great base. Understanding optimal versus falloff, the problem of dealing with smaller ships as a bigger ship, velocity and why it matters, wtf sig radius even is, what core skills are and how to prioritize training them, resistances and ammo types, rate of fire/tracking speed/explosion radius/etc.
Granted, some of that stuff I've had to unlearn, but not all of it. I think it's fair to say that missioning does not prepare you for PvP combat, but stop talking like it provides zero value at all. Could I have learned all that stuff by going straight out in my frigate with frickin lazors beams and a shield hardener fitted to my armor tank with purger rigs? Sure, but it's not the only way to go. Correct, but the question was 'Does GRINDING missions prepare you for PVP?'
The answer is no. Doing the tutorial missions plus a week or two of combat PVE certainly teaches you the very basics. But GRINDING missions (which commonly means: doing a whole big bunch of them over and over again for weeks if not months) is useless for combat PVP.
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Shrewd Tsero
Aventine Legion
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:25:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:The answer is no. Doing the tutorial missions plus a week or two of combat PVE certainly teaches you the very basics. But GRINDING missions (which commonly means: doing a whole big bunch of them over and over again for weeks if not months) is useless for combat PVP.
Point taken... It is good to have substance to one's existence.-á But in the absence of substance, one can do much yet with style. |

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
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Posted - 2014.04.17 23:21:00 -
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Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does?
PVPing
WOULD be neat is there were PVP style missions that WOULD teach ppl how to PVP lol And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit. |

Kitty Bear
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Posted - 2014.04.18 02:28:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Doireen Kaundur wrote:and if not, what does? PVPing WOULD be neat is there were PVP style missions that WOULD teach ppl how to PVP lol
I guess it's a 'soonGäó' thing
a few dev's (well 1 definitely) have said previously the long term plan for eve is to remove the fitting disparity between pve/pvp, and have pve fits more closely resemble pvp fits. that's a LOT of change to most of the pve dynamics no timeline has ever been given however |

Daerrol
Lumen et Umbra
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Posted - 2014.04.18 04:19:00 -
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Despite the naysayers there is a lot you can learn from PVE. Work on Manuel flying to optimize your transversal, work on optimal kiting and multitasking drones. Learn to quickly identify Electronic Warfare, and learn how it effects yoru ship. Don't just be albe to say "tracking disruptors mess my tracking." Learn why to do when you have no tracking. Fly in cap-unstable ships with microwarp drives to learn how to control your cap. Stop using the "orbit" button. All this will give you a lot of basic (and I mean BASIC) skills for PVP. After that, buy 100 Slashers and go into lowsec. Fit each a little different than the last. Try crazy things. PVE in Low-Sec to get used to being there, rat belts or hit anomalies while mashing D-scanner. D-scanning during PVP has saved me two or three times now.
Read Isis religiously. Know every T1 frigate in the game. Hit the FW pipeline, keep going into Novice sites.
After every fight say, "What killed me? Why did I lose? How can I not lose to that in the future?" If you get blobbed, don't throw your PC against a wall. There's ways to avoid blobs. Pretty much everything has a counter. Even hookbills (I think) |
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