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Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:31:00 - [1] I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:37:00 - [2] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/05/2006 08:37:22 I dont understand why the macro users hang out in Jita where there is a high probability they will get noticed. But i guess they dont know anything about the game really, they just want isk. I dont think there is any solution to this. Even having people kill them all the time will just make them switch to another system. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Chip2k3	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:40:00 - [3] so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Chip2k3 so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer? Does ccp really have the resources and the interest to deal with this? --- The Eve Wiki Project
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:42:00 - [5] Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Corporate Consultation Services

BH Runner	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Martin Gore I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry. Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. [Bug Report Here] - [Contact Us]

Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!!
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! That's a logical conclusion, but it is not proof. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!!
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Chip2k3 so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer? cause of course we all know the gms will get to it sometime this year :\| right... ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/05/2006 08:37:22 I dont understand why the macro users hang out in Jita where there is a high probability they will get noticed. But i guess they dont know anything about the game really, they just want isk. I dont think there is any solution to this. Even having people kill them all the time will just make them switch to another system. because they probably wont get called on it ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! the habit isn't a bannable offence
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Dao 2 on 14/05/2006 09:11:58 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Chip2k3 so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer? Does ccp really have the resources and the interest to deal with this? apparently not ;p edit: at least not the ones that are supposed to deal with it, cough gms cough ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:13:00 - [15] Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Martin Gore I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry. Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. of course ;p i mean look at their past record on response time to these petitions, astounding speed and all that. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! or someone who leaves their account on for no apparent reason ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! or someone who leaves their account on for no apparent reason ;p Then it wouldn't be logged and active, it would be logged and inactive.
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! or someone who leaves their account on for no apparent reason ;p Then it wouldn't be logged and active, it would be logged and inactive. insomnia? ;p invetion of never-sleep-again pill? ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Biggess Boobess	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:20:00 - [19] I refuse to believe that the people who have the brains to creae this game, can't see with their own eye's if 7 people are taking the mickey with regards to mining ice all the time. No one... I mean really there cannot e 1 person in eve who has 7-8 accounts and sits there all day mining ice, because he loves it. Their is only one explanation. Isk=cash. It would really raise the moral of game if ccp hired 1 guy just to go round the places that macro/farmers frequent. And see for themselves. Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. Not on really
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:21:00 - [20] Edited by: Martin Gore on 14/05/2006 09:21:31 Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Martin Gore I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry. Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh.
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Biggess Boobess Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. ur absolutely right, they don't have the time, and guess what? they DO pay ppl to do it. the problem starts from there on though, the gms don't do it. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help.
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Biggess Boobess Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. ur absolutely right, they don't have the time, and guess what? they DO pay ppl to do it. the problem starts from there on though, the gms don't do it. The pay people to do it? Then why is Jita so full of them. If it was a real life situation it would be like me having a remote control robot going into a supermarket and stealing loads of stuff all day everyday. If they are paid to do it... let's see some results. Name and shame the perm ban ones. I don't see why they don't? It's not like they'll be coming back to game is it?
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:24:00 - [24] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help. the petitions don't help either hippo :\| petition and u can watch the same macros come day after day after day.... ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:27:00 - [25] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help. Dude, I have petitioned over 80 macro miners... guess what ... this "arsehat" still saw them doing it, 3 weeks later. NOTHING gets done. Think before you engage brain, don't you think that maybe...just maybe... I would have thought about petitioning. Here is the only public place to raise this issue, where they will maybe look at it and think..."maybe we should help the community and ban some of these people" Mining is mainly a 0.4 and below affair thanks to these guys.
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Martin Gore Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Biggess Boobess Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. ur absolutely right, they don't have the time, and guess what? they DO pay ppl to do it. the problem starts from there on though, the gms don't do it. The pay people to do it? Then why is Jita so full of them. If it was a real life situation it would be like me having a remote control robot going into a supermarket and stealing loads of stuff all day everyday. If they are paid to do it... let's see some results. Name and shame the perm ban ones. I don't see why they don't? It's not like they'll be coming back to game is it? ill throw a chip here, that is far from the gms only job :\| though the only one i think they do reasonably well is stuck petitions, do those nicely ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Aequitas Spiritus	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Martin Gore I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. I wont say that this group you found wasnt a macro but i will say that I have mined up to 18 hours with my 2 accounts, sure its rare that i mine that long but wtf, you want to limit mining ice mining to 6 hours??? that like the minium i mine ice (or ore) when mining in empire. Note: I dont recommend mining 12 hours or more per day cause it will strike your sociallife and mental health wreaking for omgwtfpawn 1000 damage.*
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:46:00 - [28] That's 2 accounts... I'm on about the 7-8 accounts around a can. And I'm sure you have a name that is at least pronouncable unlike "hdsfgohieg" or "fwej;pejfej;"
Jaxzon	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:47:00 - [29] Cut the developers some slack. How do you prove it? "Knowing" in your heart that someone is up to no good is not the same as having substantial proof. The last thing you want to do is start banning innocent accounts. And when a real macro farmer is banned, it'll be replaced by a new account before you can say, "Ha! gotcha." There's only so much you can do. The client can scan for the presence of known input playback software and refuse to run if it finds any active. But people generally raise hell when something invasive like that happens, especially these days. You can try to be really clever and detect precisely repeated input patterns over time but you'll end up with false positives; back to the real proof issue. The best defense is what we already have, which is to report them when you see them and maybe put a dent in the operation for a while.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:56:00 - [30] this has been discussed over and over CCP act where they can but due to lack of manpower they cant get everyone.

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