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Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:31:00 - [1] I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:37:00 - [2] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/05/2006 08:37:22 I dont understand why the macro users hang out in Jita where there is a high probability they will get noticed. But i guess they dont know anything about the game really, they just want isk. I dont think there is any solution to this. Even having people kill them all the time will just make them switch to another system. --- The Eve Wiki Project
Chip2k3	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:40:00 - [3] so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:41:00 - [4] Originally by: Chip2k3 so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer? Does ccp really have the resources and the interest to deal with this? --- The Eve Wiki Project
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:42:00 - [5] Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! Corporate Consultation Services

BH Runner	Posted - 2006.05.14 08:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Martin Gore I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry. Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. [Bug Report Here] - [Contact Us]

Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!!
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! That's a logical conclusion, but it is not proof. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!!
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Chip2k3 so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer? cause of course we all know the gms will get to it sometime this year :\| right... ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/05/2006 08:37:22 I dont understand why the macro users hang out in Jita where there is a high probability they will get noticed. But i guess they dont know anything about the game really, they just want isk. I dont think there is any solution to this. Even having people kill them all the time will just make them switch to another system. because they probably wont get called on it ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! the habit isn't a bannable offence
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:12:00 - [14] Edited by: Dao 2 on 14/05/2006 09:11:58 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Chip2k3 so report them to CCP...is that not the obvious answer? Does ccp really have the resources and the interest to deal with this? apparently not ;p edit: at least not the ones that are supposed to deal with it, cough gms cough ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:13:00 - [15] Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Martin Gore I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry. Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. of course ;p i mean look at their past record on response time to these petitions, astounding speed and all that. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! or someone who leaves their account on for no apparent reason ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! or someone who leaves their account on for no apparent reason ;p Then it wouldn't be logged and active, it would be logged and inactive.
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Not really...if an account is logged and active 23/7 it's either a macro, a shared account, or someone with an incredible amphetamine habit!!! or someone who leaves their account on for no apparent reason ;p Then it wouldn't be logged and active, it would be logged and inactive. insomnia? ;p invetion of never-sleep-again pill? ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Biggess Boobess	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:20:00 - [19] I refuse to believe that the people who have the brains to creae this game, can't see with their own eye's if 7 people are taking the mickey with regards to mining ice all the time. No one... I mean really there cannot e 1 person in eve who has 7-8 accounts and sits there all day mining ice, because he loves it. Their is only one explanation. Isk=cash. It would really raise the moral of game if ccp hired 1 guy just to go round the places that macro/farmers frequent. And see for themselves. Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. Not on really
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:21:00 - [20] Edited by: Martin Gore on 14/05/2006 09:21:31 Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Martin Gore I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry. Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh.
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Biggess Boobess Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. ur absolutely right, they don't have the time, and guess what? they DO pay ppl to do it. the problem starts from there on though, the gms don't do it. ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help.
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Biggess Boobess Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. ur absolutely right, they don't have the time, and guess what? they DO pay ppl to do it. the problem starts from there on though, the gms don't do it. The pay people to do it? Then why is Jita so full of them. If it was a real life situation it would be like me having a remote control robot going into a supermarket and stealing loads of stuff all day everyday. If they are paid to do it... let's see some results. Name and shame the perm ban ones. I don't see why they don't? It's not like they'll be coming back to game is it?
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:24:00 - [24] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help. the petitions don't help either hippo :\| petition and u can watch the same macros come day after day after day.... ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:27:00 - [25] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help. Dude, I have petitioned over 80 macro miners... guess what ... this "arsehat" still saw them doing it, 3 weeks later. NOTHING gets done. Think before you engage brain, don't you think that maybe...just maybe... I would have thought about petitioning. Here is the only public place to raise this issue, where they will maybe look at it and think..."maybe we should help the community and ban some of these people" Mining is mainly a 0.4 and below affair thanks to these guys.
Dao 2	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:28:00 - [26] Originally by: Martin Gore Originally by: Dao 2 Originally by: Biggess Boobess Whilst the dev's might not have the time to do it, they coould pay someone a small wage to do it. It would xamake them more money in the long run. Or maybe they let them stay because it stops pos owners moaning about having to mine ice, when there are loads of afk macro/farmers to do it instead. ur absolutely right, they don't have the time, and guess what? they DO pay ppl to do it. the problem starts from there on though, the gms don't do it. The pay people to do it? Then why is Jita so full of them. If it was a real life situation it would be like me having a remote control robot going into a supermarket and stealing loads of stuff all day everyday. If they are paid to do it... let's see some results. Name and shame the perm ban ones. I don't see why they don't? It's not like they'll be coming back to game is it? ill throw a chip here, that is far from the gms only job :\| though the only one i think they do reasonably well is stuck petitions, do those nicely ;p ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Aequitas Spiritus	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Martin Gore I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. I wont say that this group you found wasnt a macro but i will say that I have mined up to 18 hours with my 2 accounts, sure its rare that i mine that long but wtf, you want to limit mining ice mining to 6 hours??? that like the minium i mine ice (or ore) when mining in empire. Note: I dont recommend mining 12 hours or more per day cause it will strike your sociallife and mental health wreaking for omgwtfpawn 1000 damage.*
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:46:00 - [28] That's 2 accounts... I'm on about the 7-8 accounts around a can. And I'm sure you have a name that is at least pronouncable unlike "hdsfgohieg" or "fwej;pejfej;"
Jaxzon	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:47:00 - [29] Cut the developers some slack. How do you prove it? "Knowing" in your heart that someone is up to no good is not the same as having substantial proof. The last thing you want to do is start banning innocent accounts. And when a real macro farmer is banned, it'll be replaced by a new account before you can say, "Ha! gotcha." There's only so much you can do. The client can scan for the presence of known input playback software and refuse to run if it finds any active. But people generally raise hell when something invasive like that happens, especially these days. You can try to be really clever and detect precisely repeated input patterns over time but you'll end up with false positives; back to the real proof issue. The best defense is what we already have, which is to report them when you see them and maybe put a dent in the operation for a while.
Miss Overlord	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:56:00 - [30] this has been discussed over and over CCP act where they can but due to lack of manpower they cant get everyone.
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 09:58:00 - [31] it's this sort of attitude that make the world such a "politically correct" place that it is. Where the bad guys get away and are protected, and the good guys just have to put up with it, because no onw has the ba a l l s to do anything about it.
Martin Gore	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Miss Overlord this has been discussed over and over CCP act where they can but due to lack of manpower they cant get everyone. It would take 5 hrs a week of 1 persons time. Surly doing that and banning them, then posting names... would show the community that something is being done. Telling us once a year that they banned a few hundred doesn't prove much when they are out there everyday doing it. How do we know they actually banned anyone?
pricechecker 12	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:01:00 - [33] Originally by: BH Runner Originally by: Martin Gore I went to Jita to pick up some stuff. I took a look around the ice belts to see if anything had changed. Nope, blatant 7! ice miners huddled around a can all noob corp, all born same day... all with names that cannot be pronounced. All moving robotically, all not responding to convo, all names very similair "Fei*****" and I checked again at 5 hr intervals. I don't know about you, but I certainly can't mine ice for 14 hrs straight. Not running 7 accounts and a hauler. No one uses that much ice. Only one thing going on here. It's the same in most ice belts. All ccp has to do is say no mining ice for more than 6 hrs at a time. It would stop all this macro sillyness. And to all the noobies...don't bother replying with "how do you know it's a macro" I know 100% either a macro or a guy watching a macro for kicks because it's more fun thatn watching paint dry. Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. ost of these have been petitioned many many times and nothing ever happens to them
Jaxzon	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:04:00 - [34] Your petition does not constitute incontrovertible proof. You don't ban accounts because they're probably doing something to violate the TOS.
Galk	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:11:00 - [35] I find it rather bizzare that people with such high morale value on issues such as these totaly ignore other obvious gamebreaking issues. Whats the difference between buyers and sellers? It's too late to be moaning about macro miners, ccp legalised isk buying, and so the floodgates opened. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
Brian Detaah	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:12:00 - [36] I dont understand why people are so upset about the existance of macro-iceminers. It a very very very very small problem. EvE is not on the verge of economic collaps or getting destroyed and unlike goldfarmers in other games they dont cause inflation of any kind, quite the opposite. Yes, it against ccps policy and yes ofc people should play the game rather than machines, but its not gamewrecking by any standart and there are much bigger problems out there. ------------------------------------------------ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:37:00 - [37] You cant make ISK in Jita. The ice is so utterly worthless, they get maybe 2M per hour with 7 accounts. I doubt the profit is worth paying for those 7 accounts. Lyticus > I freaking hate you! Siren Shiva > I love you too <3 Trey > Siren sounds like she could kick my ass on Vent [vi
Diemex	Posted - 2006.05.14 10:44:00 - [38] Jita ? Hmm ok... so now I know where to bring my hauler for some free loots !
Biggess Boobess	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:01:00 - [39] 23hrs a day 7 accounts = 3,864 units of ice roughly at a guess. Not bad for doing nothing all day using a macro.
Kathia Stardust	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:08:00 - [40] Send them a goonfleet A fleet of 50+ t1 frig should really do them some harm Such a big fleet should have time to kill them before they are all concordwtfbbqed
Infinity Ziona	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:11:00 - [41] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 14/05/2006 11:12:44 edited to avoid being bannanated or warned: Macro miners smell like poo and if you like them then so do you! Thank you INfinity Ziona
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Martin Gore it's this sort of attitude that make the world such a "politically correct" place that it is. Where the bad guys get away and are protected, and the good guys just have to put up with it, because no onw has the ba a l l s to do anything about it. Macro miners arent bad people. They just use the game to make some real life money for themselfs. The ice might actually pay their real life bills. Im just saying that judging people/behavior as good/bad are as useless in this discussion as in any other. --- The Eve Wiki Project
kurtz abraham	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:16:00 - [43] Battleship with lots of low slots..... low slots full of Nanofibres.... Mid slots 100MN MWD and cap chargers..... get 30km from said suspects and aproach at full speed with MWD burning..... Macro Bowling at 2500m/s FTW!!! they find it very hard to mine ice when they travel at 2000m/s+ to 30km from the ice roid after being hit with 100,000,000kg of mass at 2500m/s
Aetiius	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:29:00 - [44] I appreciate the intel on the ice miners !! You can be sure sometime today I will come liberate that illegal ore !!! On a side note just outfitted my kessie death squad for macro miner killing. Will let you know how those results go. Hopefully some of them are true idiots and they dont have up to date clones !!!
Jimmy Tarmac	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:29:00 - [45] It's a shame that mining in eve can be done slightly afk, otherwise a random event thing would work like they use in runescape. If anyone hasnt played runescape, if you doing something repetative for a long time you get a random event, where if you dont respond to it you get put out of action. I doubt it could work in eve though Royal UK Mining Co - Website
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:36:00 - [46] I petitioned a group once. Guess what? I haven't seen them in a very long time. EVEBay
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Martin Gore it's this sort of attitude that make the world such a "politically correct" place that it is. Where the bad guys get away and are protected, and the good guys just have to put up with it, because no onw has the ba a l l s to do anything about it. are they really bad guys? They are poor bastards working for the best money they can to feed their kids in places like the balkan states and china. If that was the best job available to you, would you take it, or be worried about wrecking some comparitively rich guy on the other side of the world's game? I don't know about you, but i know what i'd do.
fairimear	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:40:00 - [48] i dont know why the hell there are still belts in 0.9 and 1.0 it takes all of 2 days to train to a lvl where you can min ein a 0.8 seriously just remove the god dam belts
Aetiius	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:43:00 - [49] Dunno about you, but my mother raised me right. Sorry to have morals and integrity. Rules are rules and right and wrong is right and wrong. There is no fence. Good thing though is I made that crew log off a few times yesterday once he figured out what was going on. I just pop that locator agent and off I go with the indy's !!! You wanna cheat.. go ahead and cheat but there are a few people who really DESPISE cheaters.. like myself.. so when I have free time I will do my best to make thier ebay profits suffer since CCP lacks any integrity on this issue whatsoever. ANyone interested in joining my kessie death squad feel free to evemail me and we can set something up.
kurtz abraham	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:51:00 - [50] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Martin Gore it's this sort of attitude that make the world such a "politically correct" place that it is. Where the bad guys get away and are protected, and the good guys just have to put up with it, because no onw has the ba a l l s to do anything about it. are they really bad guys? They are poor bastards working for the best money they can to feed their kids in places like the balkan states and china. If that was the best job available to you, would you take it, or be worried about wrecking some comparitively rich guy on the other side of the world's game? I don't know about you, but i know what i'd do. On one had i would agree with you 100%, but on the other hand it's he guys behind the gangs that are bringing in lots of cash which i would like to see stopped. I have spoken to an isk farmer on and off for the last few days, he runs 5 coveters for his boss, 12hours a day for $3, he wasn't happy when i told him his boss was probably making at least 25 dollars a day but more likely 50 and he stated quite clearly that it wasn't the only job he can do he just does it because it's easy (admitted that barges are on macros) and he can do it from home.
R3aliti	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:52:00 - [51] Place holder - while I look for something
Diemex	Posted - 2006.05.14 11:52:00 - [52] Originally by: HippoKing are they really bad guys? They are poor bastards working for the best money they can to feed their kids in places like the balkan states and china. Well to be honest I saw a thing on TV... (CNN I think ?) that discussed all the virtual sales on ebay and the market that drives them. According to the program a lot of it is illegal child slave labour in countries like China. The kids play these games for very very low wages (if any at all) and some mogul above them actually reaps the profits. So the macro miners are actually victoms.... that we should as decent humans feel sorry for. At the same time though we should be stealing their ore and driving them out of the game for two reasons... 1. to fix our game. 2. to drive the expoiters of these kids out of business. I know stopping eve isk farming is not going to stop exploitation of child labour in China.... but its something... and as long as we are doing something... its better than doing nothing.
blacknight9	Posted - 2006.05.14 12:29:00 - [53] Let's make a Dead Squad Suicide Gang to eliberate those "poor soules" that make macromining. Or maybe we should start a corporation to hunt the macrominers with a slogan "U can run but u can't hide" Pirates FTW
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.14 13:59:00 - [54] Originally by: R3aliti Once again I politely request that CCP take a CLOSE LOOK at these "playing the game" gangs No you don't. The way to politely request CCP to take a look, is by filing a petition. The way to annoy everyone, waste your time and mine and the forum moderators', and be absolutely certain of not achieving anything remotely useful, is to post this on the forum. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Niques Leutre	Posted - 2006.05.14 15:04:00 - [55] Originally by: kurtz abraham Edited by: kurtz abraham on 14/05/2006 11:18:13 Battleship with lots of low slots..... low slots full of Nanofibres.... Mid slots 100MN MWD and cap chargers..... get 30km from said suspects and approach at full speed with MWD burning..... Macro Bowling at 2500m/s FTW!!! they find it very hard to mine ice when they travel at 2000m/s+ to 30km from the ice roid after being hit with 100,000,000kg of mass I tried this once. My personal best is hurling a barge 120km. You? But as to the whole petition thing, sometimes you get GMs who care, sometimes you get ones who don't. Just like in any other game. ___________________________________ When Newbies Attack! -- A True Story
5 Alive	Posted - 2006.05.14 16:09:00 - [56] So whos going to be the first person to create a pirate corp that is full of alts that are dedicated to robbing all macro miners loot?
Tronm	Posted - 2006.05.14 16:15:00 - [57] Originally by: Diemex According to the program a lot of it is illegal child slave labour in countries like China. The kids play these games for very very low wages (if any at all) and some mogul above them actually reaps the profits. So the macro miners are actually victoms.... that we should as decent humans feel sorry for. At the same time though we should be stealing their ore and driving them out of the game for two reasons... 1. to fix our game. 2. to drive the expoiters of these kids out of business. I know stopping eve isk farming is not going to stop exploitation of child labour in China.... but its something... and as long as we are doing something... its better than doing nothing. A macrominer doesn't require a person to control it otherwise it would not be a macro! And as far as the child slave labor goes, wouldn't they rather be at at a computer than in the fields/sweatshop/mines? I'm not condoning anything, im just pointing out the obvious. All MMOGs have this same problem with "gold farmers", and there is really little the game developers can do to prevent child labor abuses from happening in 3rd world states.
Tronm	Posted - 2006.05.14 16:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Aetiius Rules are rules and right and wrong is right and wrong. There is no fence. Oh really? Not black and white, but usually various forms of gray.
evil hamster	Posted - 2006.05.14 16:39:00 - [59] Originally by: Martin Gore Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help. Dude, I have petitioned over 80 macro miners... guess what ... this "arsehat" still saw them doing it, 3 weeks later. NOTHING gets done. Think before you engage brain, don't you think that maybe...just maybe... I would have thought about petitioning. Here is the only public place to raise this issue, where they will maybe look at it and think..."maybe we should help the community and ban some of these people" Mining is mainly a 0.4 and below affair thanks to these guys. so leaving the macros alone is good way to move the carebears to low sec
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2006.05.14 17:28:00 - [60] Originally by: evil hamster so leaving the macros alone is good way to move the carebears to low sec Actually it is the oposite effect.. leave the macroes in empire means more people leave the game!!!. Or more people running missions ... is that the effect you want ? ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Ruyter	Posted - 2006.05.14 18:50:00 - [61] Originally by: Martin Gore Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Martin Gore If I really thought something would get done I would. But it just doesn't get done. I don't believe you guys ban accounts tbh. wow, smart one. so, rather than spend 2minutes writing a petition (which incidently costs you nothing), because you think it won't help, you are coming here to be an asshat on the forums, which you KNOW won't help. Dude, I have petitioned over 80 macro miners... guess what ... this "arsehat" still saw them doing it, 3 weeks later. NOTHING gets done. Think before you engage brain, don't you think that maybe...just maybe... I would have thought about petitioning. Here is the only public place to raise this issue, where they will maybe look at it and think..."maybe we should help the community and ban some of these people" Mining is mainly a 0.4 and below affair thanks to these guys. So true I have petitioned them also several times witout anything being done by CCP, now Im stealing their ore whenever I feel like. And calling someone an asshat is very rude, even if you are a forum Hero like yourself, Hippoking
Lena Encompassed	Posted - 2006.05.14 19:26:00 - [62] Guys all i have to say is relax, get a drink, smoke, dont loose your sleep over it! Most of theese guys WILL disapear with Kali if CCP plays theyr cards well! NPC faction wars will kill macro miners!!
Galk	Posted - 2006.05.14 19:34:00 - [63] Originally by: Lena Encompassed Guys all i have to say is relax, get a drink, smoke, dont loose your sleep over it! Most of theese guys WILL disapear with Kali if CCP plays theyr cards well! NPC faction wars will kill macro miners!! ? Confused, i don't pay extra money for information, so if it was told at a fest or in e'on, then id love some conformation on this. Are you saying you will be able to kill other members of different/npc corps? If thats true, then welcome to greifer city:/ ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.05.14 19:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Martin Gore No one uses that much ice. heh "The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer
ZzeusS	Posted - 2006.05.14 19:59:00 - [65] Originally by: Jebidus Skari Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some of them are not macro miners. Just farmers working in shifts. So they're sharing an account then.....that's against the EULA too!!!! That sounds ridiculously hard to prove though Only if you're ridiculously, ridiculously good looking!
Alexia Sonique	Posted - 2006.05.14 20:21:00 - [66] TBH if they flood the markets so everything is much cheaper it wouldnt be a bad thing, im fed up of having to npc all the dammed time for isk, i used to be able to make a sound living by killing people or pirating them. Nowadays the only ships that are fast enough not to be excretiatingly boring or ganked and be able to challenge a bs cost rediculas amounts. EVE has been so much slower and grinding since the removal of dual mwds/abs which made t1 cruisers usable. Its not exactly hard to see why some people might of had enough of the slow grind just to get the same fun which was so much cheaper and excessable beforehand. I hardly have sympathy for those whining that they cant ***** empire constantly. Once tier 2 bs drop below 80 mil then we have a problem. I hardly see any macro miners, people over exagerate the problem.
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2006.05.14 20:27:00 - [67] Originally by: BH Runner Petition the suspects to the GMs, they take delight in executing macroers accounts. That's a complete load of utter tripe. I used to petition macro fleets every time I saw them. That was months ago. Today if I do a namesearch on those very characters I find that ta da they still exist, and my locator agent can still find them. Going to the indicated system and so can I, sitting in a belt in a line 5 covetors across like soldiers while a hauler bounces back and forth. Wipe out the entire lot (and I have at times), and come back 1 hour later and it's like you never touched them. Covetors again, same guy hauling, lined up mining in sync. Macro/megamining is here to stay, and CCP's not going to do much if anything at all to curb it. So go get your macros... or don't. Legitimate players using macros get nailed almost instantly.
Dhin Xar	Posted - 2006.05.14 20:36:00 - [68] What is the point of even having the rules on these things if they are never enforced? They should either declare it legal, or actually go out of their way to enforce the rules.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.05.14 20:48:00 - [69] Originally by: Spy4Hire Legitimate players using macros get nailed almost instantly. There's no such thing a a legitimate player using macros ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2006.05.14 21:24:00 - [70] Originally by: Alexia Sonique TBH if they flood the markets so everything is much cheaper it wouldnt be a bad thing, im fed up of having to npc all the dammed time for isk, i used to be able to make a sound living by killing people or pirating them. Nowadays the only ships that are fast enough not to be excretiatingly boring or ganked and be able to challenge a bs cost rediculas amounts. EVE has been so much slower and grinding since the removal of dual mwds/abs which made t1 cruisers usable. Its not exactly hard to see why some people might of had enough of the slow grind just to get the same fun which was so much cheaper and excessable beforehand. I hardly have sympathy for those whining that they cant ***** empire constantly. Once tier 2 bs drop below 80 mil then we have a problem. I hardly see any macro miners, people over exagerate the problem. Now this is crap, because it would hurt miners if macroers flood the market with cheap ore would it not ?, it would also make profit in producing stuff alot more challinging... in other word unless you did have a high priced Tech 2 bpo you would like to see 2 professions killed in EVE ? ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Atma Darkwolf	Posted - 2006.05.14 21:39:00 - [71] If you didn't know.. the GM's DID do something to stop these guys(macro farmers and shift famers) the now refuse ALL payments that are coming though paypal. Thier resoning? -- Macro / farmers sell cash though ebay (and other sites) and commonly use paypal as a payment method.. they then pay for the game with paypal. What they don't realize(or care about I guess) is that the macro/farmers easily sidestep this problem and legit, honest users who DO use paypal(myself) are now shafted out of a game we love. If I want to reactivate my account in 12 days, I will have to 1: use isk to buy a timecard ingame (which might connect back to the farmers in the end) 2: buy ISK online, then use that to buy a time card.. 3: buy a timecard on ebay and pay over 100 bucks extra a year. I can't afford another 100 bucks a year, and I will never buy isk with real cash. I also doubt I will earn enough isk to buy a timecard(and doubt I would want to go though the risk of being scammed anyways) so macros HAVE affected MY gameplay, regardless of what you 'what harm do they do to you' people say. CCP HAS to do something.. and something properly.. not this half assed 'lets screw over a bunch of people and hope some are cheaters' routine.
Ranger 1	Posted - 2006.05.14 22:25:00 - [72] I'd really rather they weren't banned by CCP, I'd rather they were just permanently criminally flagged.
ragewind	Posted - 2006.05.14 22:38:00 - [73] CCP should just sell snowballs in jita problem solved and fun for all ------------------------------------ fix eves industrial sector! advanced industrial ship
Selena 001	Posted - 2006.05.14 22:46:00 - [74] Martin Gore is a lady?! Erm... what was this thread about again? ___________ Dont mind me, I'm Forum-Whoring cause I dont have anything better to do with my life...
Phaese	Posted - 2006.05.14 22:57:00 - [75] I'll ignore the basic problem of macroers here to point out that I don't mind ice being extremely cheap due to undercutting farmers. The only people being hurt here are people that mine ice in empire for profit. That means that they can use a barge. And I'm under the impression that mining conventional ore is better (read: more isk) than mining low-grade ice. So, non-afk ice miners, switch to omber or something. Ice macroers make POS fuel cheap. What's the problem?
Atma Darkwolf	Posted - 2006.05.14 23:27:00 - [76] damn alt I forgot to delete ... Reposting with real name...lol
Booolge	Posted - 2006.05.14 23:27:00 - [77] Problem is u should read up a few posts to MY post. THAT is a BIG issue.. cutting off a lot of legit players JUST so that a FEW macro miners are inconvienced for a few days....
R3aliti	Posted - 2006.05.15 02:37:00 - [78] Edited by: R3aliti on 15/05/2006 02:41:18 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: R3aliti Once again I politely request that CCP take a CLOSE LOOK at these "playing the game" gangs No you don't. The way to politely request CCP to take a look, is by filing a petition. The way to annoy everyone, waste your time and mine and the forum moderators', and be absolutely certain of not achieving anything remotely useful, is to post this on the forum. I see I left the forums too soon - Just a FYI Baldour Ngarr I have filed at least 50 petitions concerning macro miners and farmers over the last 6 months - some of them have been removed - but I am now seeing the Farmers who are "playing the game" not being removed. - man some people kids just love jumping on others for no other reson than their own self ---------. BTW just how many petitions have you filed, that you feel it necessary to jump on someone you believe has not fileing them?
Carniflex	Posted - 2006.05.15 05:50:00 - [79] Well. It is good idea to petition them if they seem like macro. Also - CCP can track that isk quite freely I think and buyng isk from EBay is bannable offence. They will get banned eventually -- and so will those buying isk from EBay. While macros might be back pretty fast those banned from buying isk with real life money shall be not most likley. Carniflex
Drazys	Posted - 2006.05.15 09:49:00 - [80] Problem isn't just with macrominers and their effect on mineral prices, problem is that all that macromined ISK goes to other characters, either directly (ISK transfer) or indirectly (sold at E-Bay). Either way such "business" makes a total mockery out of whole risk-and-reward- aspect of getting ISK. Also, while I definitely don't want Eve to turn into a game where GM- level bans are used as weapons against other players (via false reports of macromining and similar), it is inevitable that rules-abiding players start to get angry when they see same macrominer/ISK farmer groups operating in well-traveled systems for months. Sadly, over time such situations result in increasing feelings of "who cares about game rules if nothing seems to happen to players who break those rules". - Drazzy
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.05.15 10:49:00 - [81] Only veld in .8+ No ice in systems .5+ Problem solved. Fear the Ibis of doom!
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2006.05.16 15:24:00 - [82] Originally by: Boonaki Only veld in .8+ No ice in systems .5+ Problem solved. Actually ... most of the macroers and iskfarmers I have encountered have been in .8 to .4 even (even that in 0.4 we ganked them good)... Kernite being their primary goal... then veldspar is the last they mine!!! ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.05.16 15:48:00 - [83] Just steal the ice.
Dolly Parton	Posted - 2006.05.16 16:20:00 - [84] Originally by: Quanteeri Just steal the ice. Thank you. i am on my 6th week and i have learned about them already. If you are sitting there watching them and they are doing nothing but mining, go up to them and jettison a can right next to theirs. Empty all there ore or ice into your can. (Of course you'll try the diplomatic approach at first, if that doesn't work take it.) Then if they still do nothing, call up your boy and take from them all day long. Stealing is not cheating, its part of the game, and if the victim is a macroer than good, they get what they diserve.
Prodgen	Posted - 2006.05.16 16:58:00 - [85] If you have two accounts, its really fun to steal ore from them. Get a nosdomi and your second account. Have the nosdomi move ore into your can and have your second account take it from that can. No risk to the hauler and they wont dare atack you.

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