This would be a very sad day if this happens. I remember when I was weeks old and just into my first hauling bestower teaming up with another new player (Russian) who just got into his first barge, a retriever. We mined every night for a lot of weeks and made what I considered a lot of ISK at the time. I hauled, he mined and we split the yield in equal shares. This was my first good experience in EVE. I would hate to deny other new players this fledgling mining experience just because someone didn't like that barges were able to get into a "rookie system".

-1 on the idea.

This would be a very sad day if this happens. I remember when I was weeks old and just into my first hauling bestower teaming up with another new player (Russian) who just got into his first barge, a retriever. We mined every night for a lot of weeks and made what I considered a lot of ISK at the time. I hauled, he mined and we split the yield in equal shares. This was my first good experience in EVE. I would hate to deny other new players this fledgling mining experience just because someone didn't like that barges were able to get into a "rookie system".

-1 on the idea.

Like the last dozen times this came up, I'm going to say this. You are trying the wrong solution.

how about - players older than a month may not undock in or enter this system when piloting any of the following ships: mining barge, exhumer, industrial command ship
(covert ops, AF, 'ceptor, EA frig, bomber, 'dictor, HAC, HIC, recon, Strat cruiser, Command ship, BlOps, marauder)
not that Logistics cruisers are permitted, as are industrials, BR's and DST's
EDIT - how about you can undock in the bare/exhumer/orca, but become a suspect for doing so in a rookie sys? risk vs reward and all that

This would be a very sad day if this happens. I remember when I was weeks old and just into my first hauling bestower teaming up with another new player (Russian) who just got into his first barge, a retriever. We mined every night for a lot of weeks and made what I considered a lot of ISK at the time. I hauled, he mined and we split the yield in equal shares. This was my first good experience in EVE. I would hate to deny other new players this fledgling mining experience just because someone didn't like that barges were able to get into a "rookie system".

-1 on the idea.

So Rookie systems are there primarily just for new players to learn the game, primarily through the tutorials etc right?

So why not just get rid of the ore. Make the missions requring mining use some "mission ore", which already exists for other missions anyhow. If a rookie wants to mine for isk they can easily fly one system over and do so.

Seems like an easier fix that all these wonky ship/module restrictions.

I think tutorials should teach the mechanics of public asteroid belts as they are part of the game.

IIRC there is also a deadspace mining tutorial.

This would be a very sad day if this happens. I remember when I was weeks old and just into my first hauling bestower teaming up with another new player (Russian) who just got into his first barge, a retriever. We mined every night for a lot of weeks and made what I considered a lot of ISK at the time. I hauled, he mined and we split the yield in equal shares. This was my first good experience in EVE. I would hate to deny other new players this fledgling mining experience just because someone didn't like that barges were able to get into a "rookie system".

-1 on the idea.

eh...

The rules say your not allowed to 'grief' rookies in the rookie systems. We can assume that people in orca's and exhumers are not rookies. My question then becomes, Are we allowed to suicide gank people in rookie systems that clearly aren't rookies? I've never seen anything concrete on this.

I would probably give the T1 mining barges a pass as they can be trained for under a week with the booster, but that's an edge case at best.

I don't think spawning infinite ore in highsec is exactly a good idea.

@OP: howabout disallow strip miner activation instead of disallowing mining barges. Maybe people want to show off their cool bigships to make the newbies swoon.

I think he is talking about the 20 man fleets that goes in with hulks and orca's that clearly aren't new players as they require months to train for.

That other player wasn't a rookie, they were flying a ship that takes a full week to train into. (Edit: Historically some barges did not take that long to train into IIRC, but they all take a week now). There is a reason that newbie systems do not have level 3 security mission agents in them or DED 3/10 complexes (two other activities risk-averse players might take part in after a week of training).

I really don't care that much about the corner cases like that though, it's the whole fleets of multiboxed (or maybe botted) Mackinaws and Retrievers with Orca support that are the ones griefing rookies by preventing them learning the mining interface.

so, your definition of non-noob now is someone who is more than a week old? I'm sorry but I just do not agree with you at all at this point. Your idea is both radical and draconian.

The rookie systems provide an area of EVE that is (almost) PVP-exempt, to let players learn the game interface in a sheltered environment. Various forms of PVP are expressly banned in these systems - invading missions to hold objectives hostage, suicide ganking, suspect games and the like.


However, this protection is routinely exploited by fleets of mining barges and exhumers (often with Orca support) who are not rookies and who engage in a (presently allowed) form of PVP against the actual rookies - competition for limited asteroid resources. This results in confusion for rookies who cannot find their 333 Veldspar for the tutorials and have to travel to surrounding systems, and is particularly evident during AU peak time (just before the downtime reset of asteroid fields).


My proposal is for a CCP policy change that removes this loophole, and allows only ships that rookies can fly (rookie ships, Ventures, and the other ships rookies use to mine because they do not know better - destroyers, frigates, Iterons and cruisers) to mine in these systems.


In particular, ships that require a week to train into (barges), a month (exhumers) or two months (Orca) would be disallowed from mining in those belts.


This would be in-line with the restrictions against other forms of PVP in those systems.

Barges cleaning out the newbie systems right after downtime is disgusting. For example, look at this thread:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=337571&find=unread

And if you've been in the rookie channel recently, this is one of the most common questions to see, to the point where some of the newbies just quit in their confusion.

There's a few solutions, but personally I think older players shouldn't be allowed to do any for-profit activities in these systems.

Do you think that rookie systems should have level 4 security missions in them then?

Because newbies can do level 4s in a battleship before they can unlock a Retriever.

These systems are designed for raw newbies, someone with a week of training under their belt can mine in non-rookie 0.8 and up systems where ganks almost never occur.

howabout disallow strip miner activation...

+1 There's the solution right there.

Not needed at all. Just make the asteroid belts in the rookie system have very poor quantity. The botters/serious miners will go somewhere else.

I want to make it clear that I am not offering support to the thread. I was offering a suggestion to improve its quality, nothing more. I disagree with the premise and I believe that no actions should be taken to defend the resources in new-player systems when:
a.) new players can leave those systems
b.) players who obviously aren't new can be ganked in new-player systems

ok a question what is a newbie even after 5 years of eve sometimes i m considert a newbie

lets say a new player makes all tutoriel Missions and thinks i do mining after a week he sits in a barge without tank
or any real skill for Yield newbies in barges are there the problem is when skilled miners come with a fleet

While that may be what he is "talking about" what he outlines in his post will effect all players not just "vets".. banning mining barges...really? That's going to hit noobs harder than anyone else.