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Tara Tyrael
AN Trade
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:04:00 -
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Ok, since lately it would appear CCP is actually making game better, to give it another go since old topic went haywire without any input from any of the devs
So proposal
2 Wallet divisions for players.
Active division and Savings division or call it whatever. Why? Because I don't want to overpay a kill right (you know the ones where it is 10 mill and next one is 1 bill), mistype a market order, etc. So idea is you keep one sum on your active wallet division and you can move the rest on your other wallet division, so pretty much same as the corp wallets division.
So people have several options 1. Make and alt you rarely use and name him "Wallet Division CCP still didn't make" Pros - Does the job of keeping your ISK safe Cons - You need to relog him every time you want to do something with larger sum of ISK and chances are you will have to log out one of the already logged in toon since you aren't going to keep seperate account just for this.
2. Use you corporate wallet Pros - Does the job of keeping your ISK safe UNLESS you have other people in corp with wallet access
3. Buy plex and keep your money as plex, and when you need liquid cash just sell it right away Pros - You won't run out of game time soon Cons - You might lose value in ISK, but doubtful...
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Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos
345
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Posted - 2014.04.17 22:11:00 -
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+1.
So much +1. |

Tara Tyrael
AN Trade
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Posted - 2014.04.20 16:10:00 -
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Many views, few likes, nobody is saying it's terrible idea, so lets bump it up for trolls to catch up with topic :D
Also, maybe another suggestion, you need to have an skill or standings with example gorun investment bank (the npc corp, what ever its called) and pay like 10 mill per month to maintain account would add story dimension to it?
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Tara Tyrael
Almalexia Inc.
162
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Posted - 2014.04.26 16:49:00 -
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Back to the top
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
302
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Posted - 2014.04.26 18:29:00 -
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so hard to read how many " , " are in the price? "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |

Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
173
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Posted - 2014.04.26 21:41:00 -
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not related to kill rights - but I support this idea - even if we only get a 'current account' and a 'savings account' - would help me save up for stuff. For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it WILL be. |

DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
103
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Posted - 2014.04.27 03:39:00 -
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Another little thing would be....different currency for each race. Isn't it kind if odd and conspiratorial that only one type of currency would be present in New Eden even though there are four distinct races? Think of each race as a different continent on Earth. America uses the dollar, the Brits the Pound, the French the franc and so forth.
Each has its own value when compared to the other with the home countries money being of the highest value.
Each race would have its own currency allowing trading to take place with money based on stocks and bonds for the money transfer markets.
For example you have 1000 Gallente Talents. In Minmatar space they would have a value of actually being 850 talents, in Amarr space the value would be 750 talents and in Caldari space the value would be 550 talents.
Each race would have a floating value system that would constanty change so that a money transfer system would take place along with keeping the environment exciting as pilots rushed from system to system with cargo containers full of monies looking to transfer it. |

Tara Tyrael
Almalexia Inc.
165
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Posted - 2014.04.27 09:33:00 -
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Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:so hard to read how many " , " are in the price?
you are either trolling or you never undock, what ever floats your boat... anyways, we both know that some stuff in eve are bugged, you see KR for 1 mill, try to activate it doesn't, you assume its lag since there is 80% tidi in effect, you hurry up to do it again and you see its 1 bill now. not saying you will fall for that, just saying that I personally transfer 50+ bill from one of my toons wallet into other of my toons wallet because I don't wanna risk it at all.
DrysonBennington wrote:Another little thing would be....different currency for each race. Isn't it kind if odd and conspiratorial that only one type of currency would be present in New Eden even though there are four distinct races? Think of each race as a different continent on Earth. America uses the dollar, the Brits the Pound, the French the franc and so forth.
Each has its own value when compared to the other with the home countries money being of the highest value.
Each race would have its own currency allowing trading to take place with money based on stocks and bonds for the money transfer markets.
For example you have 1000 Gallente Talents. In Minmatar space they would have a value of actually being 850 talents, in Amarr space the value would be 750 talents and in Caldari space the value would be 550 talents.
Each race would have a floating value system that would constanty change so that a money transfer system would take place along with keeping the environment exciting as pilots rushed from system to system with cargo containers full of monies looking to transfer it.
erhmmm, what? over complicating...
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Tara Tyrael
Almalexia Inc.
174
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:24:00 -
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Any more opinions?
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HTC NecoSino
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
87
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:02:00 -
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An opinion, okay...
CCP: Do this. kthxbye |
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Jur Tissant
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.30 22:32:00 -
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Sure, sounds good to me. I don't see why "harsh and unforgiving" should translate to "woops you typed an extra zero there goes your last month's savings". It would certainly rile up scammers though. |

Thegasp Cupcakes
CareBears Gone Dark Pina Colada Armada
5
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Posted - 2014.04.30 22:36:00 -
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I'd like the idea of a second personal wallet. Maybe even have "% of isk earned from bounties goes here".. features!
I'd love to see this come soon.. I have a nasty habit of spending everything |

HTC NecoSino
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
93
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:23:00 -
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0 reasons not to do this |

Tara Tyrael
Almalexia Inc.
175
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:53:00 -
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Any more comments?
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Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
5
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:55:00 -
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Why do you want to nerf scamming? Scamming is profession in EvE and it's quite nerfed (and now with MT removal possibility)... If you need it that bad, made 1 man corp? |

Tara Tyrael
Almalexia Inc.
175
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:00:00 -
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Kate Blaze wrote:Why do you want to nerf scamming? Scamming is profession in EvE and it's quite nerfed (and now with MT removal possibility)... If you need it that bad, made 1 man corp?
As already explained, I'm not in worry I'll get scammed by KR price, but thats only because I move my ISK from toon that is in PVP, so I only keep 20-30 mill on him, but lets face it, kill right buying interface is poorly designed. I might want to spend 50 mill on battleship KR, but it will take me time to move ISK from my alt to my PVP toon to activate it. Same thing happens I don't want to pay 50 mill for destroyer, and with KR it's race against time when you want to activate against smaller targets.
Alternative could be to set max price of killright you are willing to pay by pressing Buy killright button, and then all things above that value would give you some sort of confirm/abort menu. Chances are I have time to confirm on bigger targets for larger sum since it will take him longer to warp off and I will be able to spam buy KR on smaller targets which can warp off grid faster.
EDIT: yea, having 2nd division would make it harder for scammers in local/market, but only marginally, since people can still fall for it by pulling their ISK from 2nd division to accept the terms
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Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
0
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:05:00 -
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I think it's a sensible idea with no drawbacks.
Personally I use option 2) and use the corporate wallet for all trading activities.
You could also have a 'character specific' wallet, and a reserve wallet common to the account and useable by any character on that account, to also save messy transfers or the corp wallet exploit. |

Tara Tyrael
Almalexia Inc.
175
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:21:00 -
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Titan Andronicus wrote:I think it's a sensible idea with no drawbacks.
Personally I use option 2) and use the corporate wallet for all trading activities.
You could also have a 'character specific' wallet, and a reserve wallet common to the account and useable by any character on that account, to also save messy transfers or the corp wallet exploit.
Yea, was thinking of something like that, as in you can pay that NPC bank corp in eve to open account for your toons, then the 2nd division would be shared among all your toons. Not everybody here has access to corp wallets anyways
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Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
0
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:39:00 -
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Tara Tyrael wrote:Titan Andronicus wrote:I think it's a sensible idea with no drawbacks.
Personally I use option 2) and use the corporate wallet for all trading activities.
You could also have a 'character specific' wallet, and a reserve wallet common to the account and useable by any character on that account, to also save messy transfers or the corp wallet exploit. Yea, was thinking of something like that, as in you can pay that NPC bank corp in eve to open account for your toons, then the 2nd division would be shared among all your toons. Not everybody here has access to corp wallets anyways
That's subtlety different.
I was thinking simply of a CCP feature 'behind the scenes' of a 'wallet' which is linked to the subscription account, which can be used by all the characters on that account.
A NPC 'bank' account in-game, which is usable by all of your ALTs is a very different mechanic. How might this work?
Hypothetically I could offer you and your ALTs a banking service with my corp by giving you a wallet exclusively for your use (which I can also access because of the way the corporation mechanisms work), but could be a free service as a player-owned bank that you trusted would not need office space and wouldn't need to charge. The entry costs for incorporation are piddling low. But there is a restriction of only 7 wallet divisions, so a maximum of 7 customers. You wouldn't trust a PC banking service with all of your ISK; you might with a small amount for sharing with all of your ALTs, but the amounts would be too low to really make it work. Also the corp owner would have to know your identity and the identity of all of your ALTs disclosed and using the service. And they'd have to be members of the corp or it wouldn't work.
From what I've read there have been discussions about player-owned banking services to provide loans in exchange for interest, and I like the idea in theory, but trust in EVE being what it is... |

1c3crysta1
Autarky The Autonomy
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Posted - 2014.05.02 17:44:00 -
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HTC NecoSino wrote:0 reasons not to do this
QFT. Not that I'm going to use it, but I wouldn't mind it being around. |
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Tara Tyrael
Ageira Technologies Samura Industries
178
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:01:00 -
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Titan Andronicus wrote:Tara Tyrael wrote:Titan Andronicus wrote:I think it's a sensible idea with no drawbacks.
Personally I use option 2) and use the corporate wallet for all trading activities.
You could also have a 'character specific' wallet, and a reserve wallet common to the account and useable by any character on that account, to also save messy transfers or the corp wallet exploit. Yea, was thinking of something like that, as in you can pay that NPC bank corp in eve to open account for your toons, then the 2nd division would be shared among all your toons. Not everybody here has access to corp wallets anyways That's subtlety different. I was thinking simply of a CCP feature 'behind the scenes' of a 'wallet' which is linked to the subscription account, which can be used by all the characters on that account. A NPC 'bank' account in-game, which is usable by all of your ALTs is a very different mechanic. How might this work? Hypothetically I could offer you and your ALTs a banking service with my corp by giving you a wallet exclusively for your use (which I can also access because of the way the corporation mechanisms work), but could be a free service as a player-owned bank that you trusted would not need office space and wouldn't need to charge. The entry costs for incorporation are piddling low. But there is a restriction of only 7 wallet divisions, so a maximum of 7 customers. You wouldn't trust a PC banking service with all of your ISK; you might with a small amount for sharing with all of your ALTs, but the amounts would be too low to really make it work. Also the corp owner would have to know your identity and the identity of all of your ALTs disclosed and using the service. And they'd have to be members of the corp or it wouldn't work. From what I've read there have been discussions about player-owned banking services to provide loans in exchange for interest, and I like the idea in theory, but trust in EVE being what it is...
Nah, its the same thing, there is NPC corp called Gorun Bank or something like that. Would be the same as yours, just added ISK sink for enabling this option for your toons. So would be the background behind the scenes, but would need payment like for example when you update your clone in medical station, its not much, but still its added cost
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Tara Tyrael
Ageira Technologies Samura Industries
178
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Posted - 2014.05.04 13:55:00 -
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bump
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Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:27:00 -
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No consensus yet to present to CCP.
So the two proposals are either:
1) out of game wallet linked to your account which is accessible by all characters on that account. 2) an in-game NPC bank where you create an account and nominate which characters can access it.
This second idea I think was not what was originally suggested by you and I think needs a lot of further idea development specifying exactly how it should be created and how it should function.
1) is more intuitive and should be much easier to implement. |

Tara Tyrael
Ageira Technologies Samura Industries
178
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:46:00 -
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Titan Andronicus wrote:No consensus yet to present to CCP.
So the two proposals are either:
1) out of game wallet linked to your account which is accessible by all characters on that account. 2) an in-game NPC bank where you create an account and nominate which characters can access it.
This second idea I think was not what was originally suggested by you and I think needs a lot of further idea development specifying exactly how it should be created and how it should function.
1) is more intuitive and should be much easier to implement.
Well, 2nd idea is possible extend of original idea
Original idea is each toon just 2 personal divisions, even though would be nice to have extend to link multiple characters 2nd division into same
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Tara Tyrael
Ageira Technologies Samura Industries
180
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Posted - 2014.05.10 12:14:00 -
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Bump to the top
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Kosetzu
S1lver Flame
110
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Posted - 2014.05.10 13:14:00 -
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Would love to have this, make it so you can 'tax' yourself so a certain % of your income goes directly into the second wallet division. |

Nolen Cadmar
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:32:00 -
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+1. I'd like to see personal wallet divisions so that it's easier to keep track of money you've set aside for thing. I'd be perfectly happy with 2 divisions, but would prefer 4. Nolen's Spreadsheet Guru Services: Need a spreadsheet created, maintained, updated or repaired? Learn more about my services at:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3865379 |

Nick Kumamoto
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:07:00 -
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+1
So much +1 as I can muster. Most of what I write in terms of posts and/or comments is meant as "tongue-in-cheek", i.e. part irony, part sarcasm but meant in good fun.
On a more serious note. I want to marry CCP karkur. Is there a EVE dating service I can call? |

Jasmine Assasin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
161
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:20:00 -
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+1, I wouldn't need this character if this was a thing. This would also remove another reason to create 1 man corp havens and that surely can't be a bad thing can it? |

Titan Andronicus
Rookie Mission Tax Haven
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Posted - 2014.05.10 22:48:00 -
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^ Quite right, there was somebody today posting about ghost corporations... 30-day skill queue for a 30-day subscription! Many thanks |
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