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Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:05:00 - [1] Originally by: "Press Release" Voice Integration. CCP is collaborating with Vivox to integrate a voice chat program into EVE Online. A user interface will show the various communication channels and which player within a channel is speaking. Players will also have moderator privileges to kick, mute, ban and un-ban other players, allowing greater control communication control, especially during combat. As an option provided to players and there will be a minimum monthly fee to per player to use. Timeline: 1st stage. Prahaps CCP needs to change their mantra to "We won't charge you extra for most new content" ? Good to see that a feature that very few people have asked for got pushed into the first kali patch, while the things people want and have been promised for ages (reverse engineering, factional warfare and so on) are getting pushed back so CCP can get a bit of extra cash in. Would a dev mind informing us when we're going to see the new ships, combat boosters, contracts, next gen research, exploration, new environments, balance tweeks and all the other features we were lead to believe would be coming in Q2 2006? /emote prepares for another year of HAC posts...
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:15:00 - [2] Originally by: Boonaki Going to have to agree with that, I'm rather sad that they're putting so much effort into this VOIP thing when most of us aren't going to use it. One question, (yes I know I could search for it) has anyone ever asked for a VOIP service that we have to pay extra for that is already supplied by the users/corps? the occasional "wouldn't it be cool if..." post pops up very occasionally, and that's about it.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:23:00 - [3] Originally by: MortyM Originally by: Boonaki Going to have to agree with that, I'm rather sad that they're putting so much effort into this VOIP thing when most of us aren't going to use it. One question, (yes I know I could search for it) has anyone ever asked for a VOIP service that we have to pay extra for that is already supplied by the users/corps? I doubt they are putting much effort in it. Tings like that are often pretty easy to implement, unlike for example factional warfare. Thats probably why it is in a earlier patch :) If it allows CCP to make some additional money wich they can use to add more features then I'm all for it, even though I doubt I'm gona use it myself. to be honest, it's not the fact that they're adding it that annoys me, it's the fact that it's being added first and that they are going to charge extra for it, something CCP has explicitly stated in the past they would never do for new content.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:29:00 - [4] Originally by: Skarsnik It's not new content - it's a new feature As for affecting someone running 2 accounts - would you really want to pay extra on 2 accounts for voice comms, unless fo course you are an ebil corp thief or something similar it depends how it's implemented. if the eve window needs to be active for the voice comms to work then you would need to pay twice if you are mining/hauling, scouting/fighting and all the other dual account uses.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Pyrostasis EXACTLY its NOT new content its a new feature. Its no different than paying for a Vent or Teamspeak server that most people who run a corp or guild already do. The main difference is this is a voice program designed specifically to work with eve... so if this is all your guild uses vent or ts for... then this might be a better option along with the added bonus of helping CCP out. But as the guy above me stated this isnt additional content, its a new embedded feature. please enlighten me where you draw the line between content and "features"? http://www.eve-online.com/features/kali/ contains all the features coming with Kali. Would you pay extra per month for tier3 battleships as they are listed as features? Or how about the contracts system? content = features, and features = content.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 14:58:00 - [6] Originally by: K Shara one advantage would be you would know the account that was connecting to your comms... again, it's only an advantage if you manage to get everyone in your corp to pay the extra cash a month. Do you really believe ASCN will get over 3000 people to sign up, or OSS to get 2300 people to sign up, BOB to get 1500 people to sign up, etc? And finally, most of the issues with alt-spies is that you can't trace their mains. this would not change that.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 16:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Khan Jal They should allow an alternative to pay monthly with ISK. They could make it more of an in game lore with it too if they were to do it that way. Allowing corps/alliances to pay monthly for their members with ISK would also be a good alternative with the possibility of group discounts between certain numbers (1 - 10 memebers, 11 - 50 members, etc). you're forgetting that isk doesn't pay the hosting bills.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.15 20:11:00 - [8] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: prsr CCP has also explained countless times already how content and programming are different divisions within CCP. Right. The people handling the UI integration of this will be the UI programers. Want to bet the first Kali patch won't have a fixed font? you forgot that stargate icon randomly vanishing probably won't be fixed, we still won't be able to remove neutrals from the overview, the chat windows won't be saved properly, local will still be bugged, and all the other ui problems just so we have have voice over ip
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 09:48:00 - [9] Originally by: Trak Cranker Originally by: Sarmaul Would a dev mind informing us when we're going to see the new ships, combat boosters, contracts, next gen research, exploration, new environments, balance tweeks and all the other features we were lead to believe would be coming in Q2 2006? Yeah, because AAAAAAAAALL the people working on the above is working in integrating this 3rd party product into Eve. All of them. Rest is driving Oveurs Ferrari. Noone is working on Kali - because they know people on this forum knows how to run things better, anyway. Well seeing as faction warfare which was THE WHOLE ***** POINT OF KALI has been pushed back another year, I want to know if any of the other features have suffered the same fate. Some people seem to have very short memories. The entire point of RMR/Blood was to release all the content first (i.e. new ships n mods n stuff) and then we would get all of the features (faction warfare, contracts, etc) in July. Now we're getting features no-one has asked for, the thing everyone's been waiting for the most has been pushed back by another 12 months** and nobody from the dev team dares to comment on what's happened to everything else.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 13:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Berak FalCheran Originally by: Neon Genesis If you don't have to pay for something, no-one will. Rule 1 of the internet TBH, this is why they should bump everyone's subscription by a dollar and make it a standard feature. why should I be forced to line the pockets of vivox?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 14:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Elisabeth stuff personally, I feel we're all getting shafted in favour of EVE-China, but that's just me.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 14:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Trak Cranker Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Elisabeth stuff personally, I feel we're all getting shafted in favour of EVE-China, but that's just me. Perhaps then that should have been the subject of the original post? sorry, I should've been clearer. In general, I feel we're getting shafted in favour of EVE-China, but that's just me :). The VOIP has nothing to do with it though.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 18:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Anglyson Besides the sketchy info gleaned from third party sources about the content that will be missing in the Kali patch is there any info (sketchy or otherwise) about fixes to the recent software/hardware upgrade that, uhmm, didn't seem to upgrade anything? the only info we have on kali at this point is what was in that sketchy mmorpg.com article :/
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 18:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Zissou EVE's always charged for content - its called training for skills. If you want access to new content (ships and modules etc) you're forced to sit around and wait long enough to gain access to it, therefore paying a monthly subscription to CCP for a certain amount of time. o......kay.......
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.16 18:47:00 - [15] I still say make the server downloadable so corps can host their own servers for free
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.05.17 08:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Asante Katana I wonder... if ccp had used vent/TS as their voip provider would there still be as many nay sayers... It doesn't matter which provider they use as long as there's an option to download a copy of the VOIP server and host it yourself without charge.

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